The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 10th August

[Ruffinthepuffin]

Whilst I get what they are saying about needing to get some out first, certain targets like Gift Orban wouldn't even need to be registered this season so shouldn't be tied to this.

Unless the plan is to use Eric Dier as an emergency ST in an injury crisis.

You'd like to think selling our best player and highest earner would add some lubrication to the window at least.

Seriously concerned Levy is going to take advantage of Ange's coaching ability to tighten the purse strings.

Exactly how I feel.

 

[Styopa]

This is the whole point. As much as I cannot stand DL, I cannot see how he would be dumb enough to risk it all on HK leaving for them, especially with all the ITK saying he preferred to keep him. Still, we need DL out as far as I'm concerned.

I don’t think anyone believes we needed to sell to finance those signings. It’s more that sooner or later Levy would look to balance the books and the Kane sale was an opportunity to do that.

Maybe he will surprise us all and we will spend another hundred mill this window but the latest itk suggests this won’t be the case unless we sell a few.

 

[Gpnash84]

We have two pieces of itk today. One saying we’ve made a big bid for Jonathan David, the other saying not much happening. Why don’t we just wait and see before entering the usual doom loop? Every big club is struggling to shift unwanted players, it’s not just spurs and clearly it’s in buying clubs interest to not strike a deal until the end of the window when teams get desperate so that’s what will happen.

 

[SandroClegane]

D1 on COYS:

Told v quiet we are struggling to move players out and Daniel does not want to spend what we do not receive first WHICH MAKES ME THINK the maddison , vdv buys was the kane money

told most likely is another center half over a forward , they like orban and are monitoring but no more than 50/50 chance of a deal , center half more likely

Does this not mean it's D1's opinion rather than actual ITK?

The next line he says a center half is likely, and there's a 50/50 chance of a deal with Orban, so we're clearly still planning to spend money but did people not read that part?

 

[chas vs dave]

Does this not mean it's D1's opinion rather than actual ITK?

The next line he says a center half is likely, and there's a 50/50 chance of a deal with Orban, so we're clearly still planning to spend money but did people not read that part?

Because its better to be outraged about what may or may not happen.

I'm quite happy with where we are as a club right now. I'd like a couple more ins, but I'll wait and see what happens.

 

[mattspur1986]

Nope. It's a big disingenious to include Porro/Kulu but you can add Richy to that if you want as well and we'd still be very disappointed.

VDV, Maddison, Soloman, Kulu, Porro and Richy (ignoring the kids) is very much another Bale/Beatles moment and it's substantially worse than when Bale left.

We're missing several key players/positions.

Couldn’t agree with this any more if I tried, we needed those players regardless of kane leaving, but now he’s gone also - we need to replace his goals etc.

reallu annoys me that people jump o the fact because we’ve spent a bit of money everyone should be happy irrespective of the still GLARING holes in our squad and it’s almost ”should be happy we’ve spent at all” and it’s that kind of weak mentality that allows the current leadership to get away with not investing the right way year after year after year.

as people have been saying if we’re really getting derisory offers for our deadwood, accept it! It’s a lot more than having close to (I’m guessing 500k) in wages week in week out, and then still being here.

need to get this lot out, or ange is hamstrung like the previous managers before him.

 

[jay2040]

I’d rather this way than seeing my club spend Saudi (PIF) blood money!

They are not the only two ownership models!

 

[chas vs dave]

Couldn’t agree with this any more if I tried, we needed those players regardless of kane leaving, but now he’s gone also - we need to replace his goals etc.

reallu annoys me that people jump o the fact because we’ve spent a bit of money everyone should be happy irrespective of the still GLARING holes in our squad and it’s almost ”should be happy we’ve spent at all” and it’s that kind of weak mentality that allows the current leadership to get away with not investing the right way year after year after year.

as people have been saying if we’re really getting derisory offers for our deadwood, accept it! It’s a lot more than having close to (I’m guessing 500k) in wages week in week out, and then still being here.

need to get this lot out, or ange is hamstrung like the previous managers before him.

Perhaps Ange doesn't want more players until he has room in the squad?

 

[Cavehillspur]

D1 on COYS:

Told v quiet we are struggling to move players out and Daniel does not want to spend what we do not receive first which makes me think the maddison , vdv buys was the kane money

told most likely is another center half over a forward , they like orban and are monitoring but no more than 50/50 chance of a deal , center half more likely

Stadium will be a game changer he said loooool

 

[WiganSpur]

The most annoying thing is we'll end up most of our business on the final day, offering these players on desperation loans and last minute deals in a mad rush that will leave us short on time and staffing to complete them all coherently and potentially damage our chances of signing players in the process as Levy & co will be so busy.

We've never needed to get rid of this many players in such a short space of time and it will be a shitshow if we try and do our usual last-minute job.

To be honest, I think we're already past the point of being able to complete coherent business. It's hard to see us getting more than another 4 to 5 players out the door now, when we need to double that figure. It is nothing short of a disgrace that we have managed to move only 2 players out (1 permanent) since May. And it's been a number of weeks since Ange will have made his assessments. We should have been lining up moves for those with question marks way before that point. Levy should have been hard at work the moment Ange was appointed. Line up transfers for the 10/12 players that we weren't 100% on keeping and then let Ange pull plugs where necessary. Instead Levy has been fast asleep and still to this day has not awoken.

 

[ItsBoris]

Whilst I get what they are saying about needing to get some out first, certain targets like Gift Orban wouldn't even need to be registered this season so shouldn't be tied to this.

Unless the plan is to use Eric Dier as an emergency ST in an injury crisis.

You'd like to think selling our best player and highest earner would add some lubrication to the window at least.

Seriously concerned Levy is going to take advantage of Ange's coaching ability to tighten the purse strings.

With Levy it's always close but no cigar. When we're close to having a team that can be successful he refuses to spend the marginal extra amount that would be required to really assemble a complete team. The better we're doing the less he spends. Exactly the wrong approach because when you're doing well is when you have the opportunity to attract players who otherwise wouldn't consider us.

 

[mattspur1986]

Perhaps Ange doesn't want more players until he has room in the squad?

I’m sorry that’s waffle, if he had more players he’d just not include the ones we’re trying to shift ala ndombele/dier/spence etc.

if needed we just don’t register them? And they train with the u21s.

 

[Jiminio]

Up to you who you want to believe but if you listen to the Gold and Guest podcast you get a very different take. We need to lose six players just to register all the players we have in the squad today. So you need more than six more sold/loaned not including youth to create room to add. Buying clubs want to make spurs wait as long as possible to do a deal, in the main anyway, so as to reduce fees on the side. Therefore it’s almost inevitable that there will be a flurry of activity next week and we will just have to see how it goes. Ally G’s take is pace is not due to finances, it’s all about squad space.

Orban is a caveat to the above, his age means can be included without taking up a space. But maybe he’s not first choice

 

[Zaphod]

What am I missing here?

If player X is surplus to our requirements we can try and sell him. BUT, the player has to want to go (a lesser club might effect any personal sponsorship deals they have?), they'll maybe have kids settled in local schools etc. Sanchez is being linked with Everton - does he want to join a club where there's a good chance he could b playing Championship football next season? Does he want to live in Liverpool?

They also have a contract which states that Tottenham Hotspur will pay them £100,000 per week until the end date of that contract.
It's all very well saying we should just right it off but that doesn't save us any money. If we want to cancel his contract we still have to pay him his weekly wage for however many weeks left he's got on his contract. What about loyalty payments? Does he forgo them simply because we want him out of the door?

The players are probably waiting hoping that another club comes in for them (Remember Danny Rose enquiring whether Milan had made a bid yet)? Why commit to go to somewhere like Middlesbrough (or Everton) when there's a chance a better team might come in for them at the last minute?

As frustrating as it is I think Levy is probably doing all he can to get something for them even if it goes to the wire. A loan will at least pay some of the wages, a sale is obviously ideal - but writing off a contract? How does paying up a players contract save us any money? How does it make us afford another player?

 

[WiganSpur]

I’m sorry that’s waffle, if he had more players he’d just not include the ones we’re trying to shift ala ndombele/dier/spence etc.

if needed we just don’t register them? And they train with the u21s.

Yeah it feels like nonsense to me. Nothing wrong with this approach as long as it's made clear to them what will happen before the window shuts. Then ultimately if they don't want to move it's up to them.

 

[Col_M]

What am I missing here?

If player X is surplus to our requirements we can try and sell him. BUT, the player has to want to go (a lesser club might effect any personal sponsorship deals they have?), they'll maybe have kids settled in local schools etc. Sanchez is being linked with Everton - does he want to join a club where there's a good chance he could b playing Championship football next season? Does he want to live in Liverpool?

They also have a contract which states that Tottenham Hotspur will pay them £100,000 per week until the end date of that contract.
It's all very well saying we should just right it off but that doesn't save us any money. If we want to cancel his contract we still have to pay him his weekly wage for however many weeks left he's got on his contract. What about loyalty payments? Does he forgo them simply because we want him out of the door?

The players are probably waiting hoping that another club comes in for them (Remember Danny Rose enquiring whether Milan had made a bid yet)? Why commit to go to somewhere like Middlesbrough (or Everton) when there's a chance a better team might come in for them at the last minute?

As frustrating as it is I think Levy is probably doing all he can to get something for them even if it goes to the wire. A loan will at least pay some of the wages, a sale is obviously ideal - but writing off a contract? How does paying up a players contract save us any money? How does it make us afford another player?

coming along with your common sense, who do you think you are?

alternative to write them off is to keep them but not register them. It doesn’t cost us any more. That way the player loses out on potential bonuses, appearance money etc etc. some players will realise that and leave but others won’t. It’s a game of chicken.

Rodon is a good example where it’s in his interests to leave. He has Euros to so for. He had age on his side to land another move etc.

 

[chas vs dave]

I’m sorry that’s waffle, if he had more players he’d just not include the ones we’re trying to shift ala ndombele/dier/spence etc.

if needed we just don’t register them? And they train with the u21s.

How is it waffle?
Do you think that's good for morale? Some of these players are friends with other players. Negative attitudes can be insidious.

Ange doesn't come across as a dick.

I'm not saying it's facts, I'm saying it's a possibility.

 

[WiganSpur]

TOTALLY AGREE

This is madness. We have got to get rid of them. It's surely going to cost more in the long run to keep them as is.

We're over a barrel. That's the reality. So we might as well get on with it, take the hit, and move on.

Still people on this forum who think Lloris is worth a fee, we should only be selling PEH for £40m etc.We need to wake up, we've made a mess and now have to take our medicine.

 

[KingNick]

Yeah it feels like nonsense to me. Nothing wrong with this approach as long as it's made clear to them what will happen before the window shuts. Then ultimately if they don't want to move it's up to them.

I think Dier, Spence, Reggie, Ndombele are now pretty clear what position they are going to be in if they don't agree to moves. But that's not the same as accepting whatever gets offered to them straight away.

Depending on their attitude in terms of playing time versus money, it also doesn't stop them trying to leverage Levy's obvious desperation to get rid of them to their own advantage by demanding a pay-off, even if they are moving onto to an equal or even bigger contract. Their agents agent will be saying, if X leaves you are saving £100,000 per week so you need to make it worth our while in going.

 

[WiganSpur]

How is it waffle?
Do you think that's good for morale? Some of these players are friends with other players. Negative attitudes can be insidious.

Ange doesn't come across as a dick.

I'm not saying it's facts, I'm saying it's a possibility.

You can do all of this with the utmost of respect though. You don't have to be a dick to say to them "I don't think you're a bad player but we have a bloated, highly competitive squad and I can't allow anything to stop me getting the players I need in to bolster the squad. So if you choose to stay unless there are exceptional circumstances I need to keep my training group limited and can't register you in the PL squad. It's totally your decision if you want to remain at the club."