The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 10th September

[Trix]

Signing him would be a real coup for the BSoDL who would instantly regain the vast majority of the wobblers.

It'd be a massive PR disaster for those wanting to see the back of Gimli

Lol, could be the biggest recruitment drive since Lord Kitchener's "you're country needs you".

 

[LukaMotion]

So with herc's confirmation that Diallo is on the list we have a confirmed 5?

Vinicius (preferred option)
Jiminez (if Vinicius goes to Wolves)

Edouard
Diallo
Milik
(no indication which order of preference these are)

 

[Marvola]

I'm erect

Optimistic is such a great rating for this post!! ???

 

[Supersi32]

So with herc's confirmation that Diallo is on the list we have a confirmed 5?

Vinicius (preferred option)
Jiminez (if Vinicius goes to Wolves)

Edouard
Diallo
Milik
(no indication which order of preference these are)

If that is indeed our list of 5, and if all are financially do-able, the no brainer choice is Jiminez.....

 

[uerian]

Bale. Quite simple really(although not simple at all). Good news is that the deal is there to be done, and all 3 parties are happy for it to happen.


The problem is it's still an unprecedented amount of money for DL. As I've said recently Levy likes to balance the books in as many ways as he can, and with this it just isn't possible. This is a huge gamble financially in a time where money is at its most uncertain. On the plus side it's been Levy all the way driving this, and he must have known from the outset that is the case, and he's persued it anyway. That gives me hope he will pull the trigger.

It's now a case imo of heart or head, for DL. Can he justify the obscene expenditure in uncertain times, I mean he's not pushed the boat out when we've had spare cash, so will he do it now when we don't.

I think right now this could go either way and if we decide to do it, it will happen quickly.

I will say it's a deal just for us. Should we not do it, other clubs will not get the same terms(as things stand) so not as easy to get gazumped at this point in time.

JJ spot on all down to Levy, but knowing a lot of the financials I could totally understand if we don't get this over the line.

You just can't think of a better Season Opener to to Season 2 : All or Nothing Tottenham Hotspur when the Camera hovers outside Levy's room, unstable peeking angle, in and out of focus at times, showing Levy head in hands, deep in thoughts... *dramatic music intensifies*
Just then, Levy suddenly looks up the camera pans in.
Levy: "Let's f**king do this."
*dramatic music crescendo*

 

[Qualsonic]

You just can't think of a better Season Opener to to Season 2 : All or Nothing Tottenham Hotspur when the Camera hovers outside Levy's room, unstable peeking angle, in and out of focus at times, showing Levy head in hands, deep in thoughts... *dramatic music intensifies*
Just then, Levy suddenly looks up the camera pans in.
Levy: "Let's f**king do this."
*dramatic music crescendo*

If there's a second season, I have no doubt whatsoever Levy would push the boat out for Bale!

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I watched the first two episodes of the Spurs documentary last night and seeing how Levy viewed Poch I can’t see the Bale dealing materialising.

Levy re sacking Poch:

Heart - no
Head - yes

Levy re signing Bale

Heart - yes
Head - no

Bale makes no financial sense whatsoever and especially in such and ongoing tough times.

Likewise with the ITK re strikers... we’ve been told we’ll push the boat out for those with huge potential but the 5 options are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of potential, age and cost.

Was it Dragon? Stating if Vinícius goes to Wolves we could get Jimenez. Signing Jimenez and Bale? is both short term, expensive and financial suicide.

Given how well Levy runs the club from a financial perspective, with the given options he can most definitely strengthen us but in an affordable way or put us in an awful financial position if he follows his heart.

 

[PT]

I watched the first two episodes of the Spurs documentary last night and seeing how Levy viewed Poch I can’t see the Bale dealing materialising.

Levy re sacking Poch:

Heart - no
Head - yes

Levy re signing Bale

Heart - yes
Head - no

Bale makes no financial sense whatsoever and especially in such and ongoing tough times.

Likewise with the ITK re strikers... we’ve been told we’ll push the boat out for those with huge potential but the 5 options are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of potential, age and cost.

Was it Dragon? Stating if Vinícius goes to Wolves we could get Jimenez. Signing Jimenez and Bale? is both short term, expensive and financial suicide.

Given how well Levy runs the club from a financial perspective, with the given options he can most definitely strengthen us but in an affordable way or put us in an awful financial position if he follows his heart.

Agreed. Any player coming in who is aged over 28 years old, will instantly -

a) increase the average age of the squad significantly
b) go against everthing we’ve learnt about Levy’s philosophy.

 

[Sandro30]

I watched the first two episodes of the Spurs documentary last night and seeing how Levy viewed Poch I can’t see the Bale dealing materialising.

Levy re sacking Poch:

Heart - no
Head - yes

Levy re signing Bale

Heart - yes
Head - no

Bale makes no financial sense whatsoever and especially in such and ongoing tough times.

Likewise with the ITK re strikers... we’ve been told we’ll push the boat out for those with huge potential but the 5 options are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of potential, age and cost.

Was it Dragon? Stating if Vinícius goes to Wolves we could get Jimenez. Signing Jimenez and Bale? is both short term, expensive and financial suicide.

Given how well Levy runs the club from a financial perspective, with the given options he can most definitely strengthen us but in an affordable way or put us in an awful financial position if he follows his heart.

A well written post but think about it another way.

A lot of the recent work is about the brand. All the Amazon work, Alex Morgan for the women, Trevor Birch’s history and skills and then potentially Bale. We still have naming rights, sleeve sponsor and then potential investors sniffing around. Levy might see it as a risk in the short term financially but one that could easily be recouped if Bale gets us over the line at a price Levy wants in a naming rights deal. That’s without considering how Levy feels about Bale personally (as seen in JJ’s comments labelling him his favourite) and the playing side of things.

As Trix has been alluding to for a long time not just this morning, it’s whether Levy has the balls to take a major risk here when money in is certainly not assured.

 

[Rob]

So with herc's confirmation that Diallo is on the list we have a confirmed 5?

Vinicius (preferred option)
Jiminez (if Vinicius goes to Wolves)

Edouard
Diallo
Milik
(no indication which order of preference these are)

I’d advise on caution here, not least on it relying on Hercules managing to count to 5 ;-) Without the banter, the point still stands, strikers are being chucked at us at the minute and I’d suggest you interpret “5” as “many” and don’t fixate on the number as it’s constantly changing.

 

[Phomesy]

Is it usual that none of the players mentioned in the ITK seem to have made the gossip pages in the MSM?

 

[LukaMotion]

I’d advise on caution here, not least on it relying on Hercules managing to count to 5 ;-) Without the banter, the point still stands, strikers are being chucked at us at the minute and I’d suggest you interpret “5” as “many” and don’t fixate on the number as it’s constantly changing.

Point taken, and the "5" should always be viewed with a pinch of salt as well. If we we're to count all the strikers we've been linked with in the press i'd imagine we'd need a few more fingers and toes.

 

[Singaspursofsixspence]

I’d advise on caution here, not least on it relying on Hercules managing to count to 5 ;-) Without the banter, the point still stands, strikers are being chucked at us at the minute and I’d suggest you interpret “5” as “many” and don’t fixate on the number as it’s constantly changing.

daddy-likey

let’s hope that the one Mourinho wants is given to him! Whether it’s Edouard, Diallo, Vinícius or Anyone.....Just remember that mourinho answers to no one except God and Baldy(borrowing a line from Moneyball)

 

[TEESSIDE1]

A well written post but think about it another way.

A lot of the recent work is about the brand. All the Amazon work, Alex Morgan for the women, Trevor Birch’s history and skills and then potentially Bale. We still have naming rights, sleeve sponsor and then potential investors sniffing around. Levy might see it as a risk in the short term financially but one that could easily be recouped if Bale gets us over the line at a price Levy wants in a naming rights deal. That’s without considering how Levy feels about Bale personally (as seen in JJ’s comments labelling him his favourite) and the playing side of things.

As Trix has been alluding to for a long time not just this morning, it’s whether Levy has the balls to take a major risk here when money in is certainly not assured.

I appreciate what you’re saying and I would love us to sign Bale. Sponsorship, investment, naming rights etc are all wonderful sources of additional income and can really push a club on to a whole new level. The key thing for me is Levy would be risking the financial stability of the club on ‘ifs’ and ‘potential’ future income. We’ve yet to secure naming rights for the club... what is an appropriate timescale for getting this sorted etc? As I said, as much as I would love us to sign Bale the pendulum in terms of risk against financial security is heavily in the high risk category. We need all of our stars to align for this to happen and based on the current climate that’s clutching at straws.

 

[easley91]

I watched the first two episodes of the Spurs documentary last night and seeing how Levy viewed Poch I can’t see the Bale dealing materialising.

Levy re sacking Poch:

Heart - no
Head - yes

Levy re signing Bale

Heart - yes
Head - no

Bale makes no financial sense whatsoever and especially in such and ongoing tough times.

Likewise with the ITK re strikers... we’ve been told we’ll push the boat out for those with huge potential but the 5 options are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of potential, age and cost.

Was it Dragon? Stating if Vinícius goes to Wolves we could get Jimenez. Signing Jimenez and Bale? is both short term, expensive and financial suicide.

Given how well Levy runs the club from a financial perspective, with the given options he can most definitely strengthen us but in an affordable way or put us in an awful financial position if he follows his heart.

Maybe with Mourinho, the new ground, the documentary etc his philosophy is changing? No longer about resale value or player's potential in x number of years. All about giving Mourinho ready made players to go out and win things. We need to focus on the now and not 3/4/5 years down the line. Bale is for the now. Both on and off the pitch. It's big money involved sure, but if we go on to win trophies that will surely make it worth it, no?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I’m still not convinced the Bale deal will happen. Like Trix- at least I think it was Trix- said, the current financial situation makes this deal so risky. All transfers come with risks but the financial stakes are massive and we’re not exactly designed to bulletproof ourselves from a deal like this backfiring. I’d love to see Bale back at the club but not at the chance of financial disaster. Wish I was this cautious with my own money

 

[Spurs_S.A.]

I watched the first two episodes of the Spurs documentary last night and seeing how Levy viewed Poch I can’t see the Bale dealing materialising.

Levy re sacking Poch:

Heart - no
Head - yes

Levy re signing Bale

Heart - yes
Head - no

Bale makes no financial sense whatsoever and especially in such and ongoing tough times.

Likewise with the ITK re strikers... we’ve been told we’ll push the boat out for those with huge potential but the 5 options are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of potential, age and cost.

Was it Dragon? Stating if Vinícius goes to Wolves we could get Jimenez. Signing Jimenez and Bale? is both short term, expensive and financial suicide.

Given how well Levy runs the club from a financial perspective, with the given options he can most definitely strengthen us but in an affordable way or put us in an awful financial position if he follows his heart.

Someone else posted this earlier in the thread and I agree, this to me would seem like last throw of the dice with Kane. Win something and he stays or he moves on and we cover our spend. Hope I'm wrong but seems that way.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Maybe with Mourinho, the new ground, the documentary etc his philosophy is changing? No longer about resale value or player's potential in x number of years. All about giving Mourinho ready made players to go out and win things. We need to focus on the now and not 3/4/5 years down the line. Bale is for the now. Both on and off the pitch. It's big money involved sure, but if we go on to win trophies that will surely make it worth it, no?

I agree with signing ready made players but my point was you can sign players in this ilk for sensible money eg Doherty, Hojbjerg or you can sign the likes of Bale for an eye watering and grossly ridiculous sum of money.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Not necessarily, he was all set to go to China until Madrid changed the deal at the last moment. That could easily happen again and be spun against levy as it being his fault in some way. So don’t worry, that can still be used against him!

I'm not so sure. Don't forget, Levy is part scouse. After all, it's never his fault.

 

[cliff jones]

You just can't think of a better Season Opener to to Season 2 : All or Nothing Tottenham Hotspur when the Camera hovers outside Levy's room, unstable peeking angle, in and out of focus at times, showing Levy head in hands, deep in thoughts... *dramatic music intensifies*
Just then, Levy suddenly looks up the camera pans in.
Levy: "Let's f**king do this."
*dramatic music crescendo*

yep, someone give Troy a call straight away...

Please spend the dough on their left back and / or the Celtic geezer instead