The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 18 August 2010

[BringBack_leGin]

it's nothing transfer related and I'm gonna keep shtum about it now purely because I'm chatting to my friend, she's told me a lot of stuff and the impression I'm getting from her is that she wouldn't be pleased about it being sprawled anywhere, she's telling me cos I'm a mate but that's all. I said it before midday though if you fancy trawling back.

 

[HailKingLevy]

Benzema and K.J.H.

Thanks Daniel.

 

[Jody]

it's nothing transfer related and I'm gonna keep shtum about it now purely because I'm chatting to my friend, she's told me a lot of stuff and the impression I'm getting from her is that she wouldn't be pleased about it being sprawled anywhere, she's telling me cos I'm a mate but that's all. I said it before midday though if you fancy trawling back.

:up:

 

[StartingPrice]

Myself and DoublePivot were discussing him the other day after his link to Liverpool. There's been a link to us on Sky today as I understand it?

Yes I do rate him highly. He has all the attributes that we desperately lack from our current forwards.

Seriously, which league has he played i and how old is he?
Apparently Huntleaar is crap because he only had an absolute phenomenal bloody strike rate in the (crappy) Dutch league (which, apparently never produces good players), and, under the circumstances, not too shabby in Real and Milan.
Not necessarily directed at you, Thowig, just the anti-Huntelaar 'experts' (I use the term lightly, who use the standard of the Dutch league as a primary reason for disbarring him.

I do think Huntelaar is a considerably worse player than both Keane and Pav.

None of our forwards actually have much pace (even Defoe doesn't after the first 2 yards), but Huntelaar makes Sheringham look nippy (even at 44).

Our striking balance is so bad - we have no hold up play (Crouch may win balls but doesn't hold on to them), limited link up play, no genuine pace and no-one really prolific. We just have a batch of striking mediocrity and Huntelaar wont improve on that.

:roll:

Oh, Dan, please.
I have tried not to join in the mass ridiculing you seem to incite, but if you really believe all of this you are in a bad way.
Our creative players are creating chances by the hatful. Huntelaar scores goals that is what he does. Quite frankly I don't care if he has the pace of a post-box just so long as he is in the right place, and has the right ability to dispatch those chances...he has consistently shown that this is the case.
This debate has gone on for so long, but I don't know if you have read any of it, so I will give you the benefit of never having actually seen certain arguments, to at least consider them, and ask you directly.
Are you aware of the fact that the Real coach who bought him lost his job before he even arrived in Spain?
Are you aware of the fact that Real have a habit of getting rid of players who haven't even had a chance to settle (they do it all of the time...usually when they resume their Galactico policies and the feel the previous crop just weren't 'sexy' enough)?
Are you awarre of the fact that Huntelaar has moved to a new country and culture, twice in two seasons, hasn't been given a chance to settle and made to feel immediately unwanted (and yet still has a less than shabby goal ratio)?
Are you aware of the fact that culturally and geographically, and in terms of footballing culture, England is to the Netherlands than either Spain and Italy, and so they is a very good chance that he will settle here?
Are you aware of the fact that he is now older and more mature than when he went to Spain, and so will probably have a better chance of settling?
Are you aware of the fact that stating that a player is 'as slow as Sheringham' as though that is necessarily a badthing just makes you sound ignorant?
Are you aware of the fact (interesting enough, since you have made the comparison, yourself), that many of the accusations you are raising against Huntelaar mirror those made against Sheringham when he was at Milwall, and even Forest?
Are you aware of the fact that Spurs are neither Reeal Madrid, nor Barcelona, and cannot just demand the very best players in the World and rejecting anyone who doesn't fall into that category without, quite simply, sounding like twats?
Please, present me with a killer argument, showing that you have taken all of this into account, to prove that not only would we NOT be lucky to get KJH, but we would be having a lucky escape if he rejected us - please, do that.
Please note, this answer must not include the phrases " he only scores goals" (as that is what we bloody well need), "he can't do..." (as I don't give a monkey's flying left testicle what he can't do, I care about what he can do and that is score goals- which is, after all, what we need), or "he's as slow as Sheringham" (for reasons given above)!

It may help if you understand that if we are dominating teams but not scoring, which is our main problem, it really doesn't matter a tuppeny how quick a player like Huntelaar is as he will already be in the box - that is what 'dominating' a team usually entails, and breaking these teams down has been a major problem of ours (or didn't you notice that).

Oh, feck it...here Dan, you are in charge, here's the money, now, why don't you buy Usain Bolt, he's fast and strong:roll:

 

[StartingPrice]

p.s. Sorry, Mods

p.p.s. Sorry about the antagonistic nature of the post, Dan...I know, no matter how much you believe things I think are quite daft, you never abuse anyone, or any such, but this whole idea that Huntelaar is 'crap', and/or nowhere near good enough for Spurs really just pisses me orf.

 

[MEHSTG]

Sky Sports News reporting Remy is about to sign for Marseilles for 15m euros.

Quotes from Remy: "I am extremely happy and proud that Marseille are interested in me. After having waited a long time for my transfer, things have really speeded up this afternoon. It's very sudden, I was surprised. Rather than time for reflection I need a little time to adapt to the situation, but it's looking good. Didier Deschamps telephoned me this afternoon to say that I needed to work very hard and that he would be there to support me."

He can't be "the French" that we're supposedly after.

 

[brett.spurs]

I wouldn't say he's crap but he's not what we need imo.

 

[brett.spurs]

I wanted Remy

 

[Jody]

Well, someone was right about there being movement on Remy today, just not our way.

 

[Mr Gamgee]

Well one by one our targets are drifting by the wayside. Not looking likes it's gonna be a very exciting transfer window

 

[StartingPrice]

I wouldn't say he's crap but he's not what we need imo.

Fine,Brett, you're entitled to your opinion. We've talked it out, I think you are wrong, but are entitled to think what you do, you think I'm wrong.

But all of this trying to sound like Yoda, and saying he is 'crap' like he is twenty levels below us (like, the new Gary Donkerty...remember him, 'cos that is the level of player we were attracting at one stage:shrug, is just puerile.

 

[Sir Henry]

I still think Forlan or Huntelaar are our main targets. Either of them would improve us ten fold.

 

[DoublePivot]

Seriously, which league has he played i and how old is he?
Apparently Huntleaar is crap because he only had an absolute phenomenal bloody strike rate in the (crappy) Dutch league (which, apparently never produces good players), and, under the circumstances, not too shabby in Real and Milan.
Not necessarily directed at you, Thowig, just the anti-Huntelaar 'experts' (I use the term lightly, who use the standard of the Dutch league as a primary reason for disbarring him.

He's just 24 and he plays at PSV. My position on him is that I really like him as a player and think we would be great in the Bundesliga. He might be great here, but I'm not sure based on what I have seen. THOWIG is more convinced than I am. And SS57 hasn't given opinion yet, and he's watched as much Eredivisie as any of us.

There are some posts by some of our Swedish Yids in the thread for him that might be helpful.

He's developing into a really great number 10. Can also play as a number 9

Not since Van Nistelrooy back in '99 has a striker started the season with scoring 5 goals in 2 games. He can score with both feet and are good at headers too.

When i saw him linked too Liverpool i hoped that we might try and get him too. Obviously would need some time to settle....but i'm quite certain he'd make it.

Haha this thread is incredibly strange.

I really like Toivonen in the role he's played in the national team. I have only seen the highlights from PSV so I have no idea where he usually plays there.

If we get Toivonen I would see him as a good foil to a player like Defoe or Keane rather than as a lone striker.

Toivonen is good. He is not unlike Pavlyuchenko in playing style. He can link play but does so while scoring lots of goals; however, it is the Dutch league.

He was fantastic with Marcus Berg in the U21 in 2009 and was the major reason why Berg could score so many goals.

For £ 5 million is a good deal, but whose place is he going to take/steal/borrow?

And I reprinted that here because I had kind of driven that conversation to take place in Swedish and that was rude of me.

 

[smudger]

We will get a striker of that I'm sure, after all harry and levy can see the same as, the only question is who will it be, we love a last day signing too, I'm just hoping that all these targets that we've seemingly let slip is because were progressing well on our top targets, or is that just blind optimism?

 

[StartingPrice]

He's just 24 and he plays at PSV. My position on him is that I really like him as a player and think we would be great in the Bundesliga. He might be great here, but I'm not sure based on what I have seen. THOWIG is more convinced than I am. And SS57 hasn't given opinion yet, and he's watched as much Eredivisie as any of us.

There are some posts by some of our Swedish Yids in the thread for him that might be helpful.







And I reprinted that here because I had kind of driven that conversation to take place in Swedish and that was rude of me.

I'm not saying anything against the lad, DP. Just that if Huntelaar is disqualified because most of his phenomenal strike rate was in the Dutch leage, how can the posters who say that suddenly think this lad IS the answer.

 

[felmonger]

Oh, feck it...here Dan, you are in charge, here's the money, now, why don't you buy Usain Bolt, he's fast and strong:roll:

Bolt wont come. He doesn't like British taxes!:violin:

 

[kcmei]

He is injured

 

[DoublePivot]

I'm not saying anything against the lad, DP. Just that if Huntelaar is disqualified because most of his phenomenal strike rate was in the Dutch leage, how can the posters who say that suddenly think this lad IS the answer.

Oh okay. I guess the info won't hurt. For the record, I like Huntelaar and hope rumors are true. But I think he'd rather have dick cancer than come here.

 

[chrissivad]

We have had no ITK on Toivonen at all. Some media reports, but thats it.

Can we keep the talk on him in his thread in transfer rumours for now untill something come along

 

[DoublePivot]

sorry