The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 19th August 2022

[coy-spurs1882]

Ok cool it was just me assuming he only wants Bastoni/Gvardiol. If that's the case for our CB targets in the future then that is positive to hear! Thanks.

Lenglet is the alternative who has a similar skillset

 

[Dzejkob]

Yes, we are still short on some positions like CB, maybe one more attacker, RWB still a concern. But with how we let our squad drop in quality in recent years I think it's difficult to fix in two transfer windows. We would need to buy 10-12 players that are better than what we have and will allow as to fight for title as that is what all wants. Please remember that at this time last year we had maybe 4 top players: Kane, Son, Romero, Lloris. After two transfer windows we added Bentancur, Kulu, Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison to that list. And yes we still need more but looking at the context I think we are really heading in right direction. Teams are hardly ever built in one-two transfer window. Look at Liverpool and City.

 

[Trix]

Isn't this window the bare minimum we should have expected though? This was the first summer window under Conte, supposed to be a window where we properly go for it.

We've made three signings that I would say represent an unqualified improvement in Perisic, Richie and Bissouma and the others like Spece and Udogie are promising youngsters for the future not the here and now. But without that elite CB and another WF I can't say this window has been the game changing one I thought it would be.

I mean, haven't the club just done the bare minimum in all honesty? If we had strengthend any less than we did the window would have been an absolute joke so for that reason I can't say it's been THAT good.

At the same time, I understand that if that elite CB isn't available that it's better to keep our powder dry, but then I think surely if we were willing to spend a bit more, the Bastoni and Zaniolo deals were there to be done.

Richarlison 60 million
Bissouma 35 mill
Perisic free

Forster free, Lenglet loan, Spence 15 mill or something.

Personally I thought we'd have seen some bigger deals, more elite players joining. I don't look at that list and think wow. I think good solid business, but I thought we'd have done more.

With all due respect it's not really about what we as fans expect as a minimum, it's about what Conte wants and expects. Surely if he thinks it's enough and would rather wait for better options that's his decision?

Lets see what happens, I still think there will be movement over the next couple of days.

 

[kursaal]

With the gloom now setting in where does this leave the mooted deals for Will Lankshear of Sheffield United and illla Zabarnyi from Kiev?

 

[iddebu52]

How anyone can be anything but very happy with this window is beyond me…

Anyway, call me delusional but I don’t think we announce Romero today if our business was done. They’d definitely save him for deadline day if we had no plans.

Or maybe that was that, last one done .

 

[thekneaf]

If the potential move is loan out Gil and loan in James, I'd rather give Gil the minutes and a daily protein shake.

 

[punkisback]

I really wish some of us would wake up. I’m not happy, and don’t buy everything the club wants us to believe. Sorry for being so blunt.

Agree I believe we posture a lot on financials and the future at the start of the window. How the stadium will generate funds to elevate us to the next level but often it seems we are still shopping in the same markets as the Europa league teams.

 

[WiganSpur]

With all due respect it's not really about what we as fans expect as a minimum, it's about what Conte wants and expects. Surely if he thinks it's enough and would rather wait for better options that's his decision?

Lets see what happens, I still think there will be movement over the next couple of days.

Totally get this argument but Conte needs to show commitment first before we risk not getting CL by not trying to twist his arm on Paratici or club targets where they would improve us. We have listened to him over this window so I think it's time he returned the favour even if it's just a one year extension.

 

[carpediem991]

Would be happy with one more offensive minded player. Heavy schedule ahead and already on Sunday only one offensive player on the bench. Dont think it needs to be a world beater, but a decent clever addition would be good.

No one in would be a little concern on the long run.

Lets see.

 

[JacoZA]

How the hell do you get to this conclusion? Saying that, you could say that at the start of every season.

Its not my conclusion. I’m commenting on it being the conclusion of other.

p.s. happy birthday

 

[Trix]

Totally get this argument but Conte needs to show commitment first before we risk not getting CL by not trying to twist his arm on Paratici or club targets where they would improve us. We have listened to him over this window so I think it's time he returned the favour even if it's just a one year extension.

Personally I think he'd sign one right now if he were offered one, but that's just my opinion. He seems to have completely adjusted to the fact that this is more of a project he can build into something in his image. The question is whether Levy is willing to keep backing him window after window, because I think he'll demand this going forward. He's not been unrealistic in his expectations and is pretty happy with what we've done so far, but he'll 100% want to keep building and that'll take more and more money in the future. The biggest question now is will Levy make good on his promise that when the ground was built the focus and financials would be on the footballing side of things. This is what is left to be seen.

 

[McArchibald]

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At the same time, I understand that if that elite CB isn't available that it's better to keep our powder dry, but then I think surely if we were willing to spend a bit more, the Bastoni and Zaniolo deals were there to be done.

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Same here. If you really want Bastoni but Inter won't budge at your -internally calculated- maximum price of 60m, offer 70m, 75m... an offer they can't refuse.
It's what big clubs do, and Conte told us to start acting like one...

 

[Chris2403]

Compared to where we were this moment last year, including how things were with Kane, it’s been an unbelievable year! How anyone can complain is crazy

 

[WiganSpur]

Personally I think he'd sign one right now if he were offered one, but that's just my opinion. He seems to have completely adjusted to the fact that this is more of a project he can build into something in his image. The question is whether Levy is willing to keep backing him window after window, because I think he'll demand this going forward. He's not been unrealistic in his expectations and is pretty happy with what we've done so far, but he'll 100% want to keep building and that'll take more and more money in the future. The biggest question now is will Levy make good on his promise that when the ground was built the focus and financials would be on the footballing side of things. This is what is left to be seen.

In that case stick a contract in front of him immediately Levy. Now he's been backed it's got to be a case of if you want to make long term club decisions then you can't be out of contract in a year's time.

 

[mil1lion]

Does the window close tomorrow night?

Thursday at 11pm

 

[Guernman]

We clearly wanted to upgrade Tanganga and Gil and there was money there to bring in a big player if one of our prefered targets could be done, Bastoni, Zaniolo etc. But our plans met the wall that is reality. At some point the options to upgrade aren't that much better than what we have, so it makes sense to hold off for now.

We do have limited resources to be spent across the next few windows, albeit resources that are quickly increasing thanks to the stadium etc. In a world where Antony is sold for £80 million and Fofana for £70, we must be doing something right when announcing Romero for £42.5 million.

The reality of transfers is frustrating though. I'm sure Conte will be frustrated, as will fans with our expectations raised thanks to the capital injection, and ITK who certainly heard of many more tantalising possibilities in recent weeks which have failed to transpire. It is frustrating, but that doesn't mean we aren't doing the best we can right now to support Conte.

Whether we can keep him happy over the longer term remains to be seen, but for now he seems on board. If we cannot always match his ambitions that may also be just where our reality meets his uncompromisng demands. He is, afterall, a completely mad and brilliantly intense anomaly of nature, and we are a club who will continue to spend within our (rapidly growing) means.

But for now at least it's working and I'm looking forward to a few intense months of watching this improved squad and this mad man.

 

[Stoof]

Isn't this window the bare minimum we should have expected though? This was the first summer window under Conte, supposed to be a window where we properly go for it.

We've made three signings that I would say represent an unqualified improvement in Perisic, Richie and Bissouma and the others like Spece and Udogie are promising youngsters for the future not the here and now. But without that elite CB and another WF I can't say this window has been the game changing one I thought it would be.

If we had strengthend any less than we did the window would have been an absolute joke so for that reason I can't say it's been THAT good.

At the same time, I understand that if that elite CB isn't available that it's better to keep our powder dry, but then I think surely if we were willing to spend a bit more, the Bastoni and Zaniolo deals were there to be done.

Richarlison 60 million
Bissouma 35 mill
Perisic free

Forster free, Lenglet loan, Spence 15 mill or something.

Personally I thought we'd have seen some bigger deals, more elite players joining. I don't look at that list and think wow. I think good solid business, but I thought we'd have done more.

I dare say we're about £50-100m down on outgoings than what we thought we were going to be. You've got to include Udogie in there as well. £15m? No fees for Rodon, Winks, Reggie, Ndombele (maybe £1m loan fee?), Lo Celso. If you'd have said CCV would be our second highest sale at £6m you would have laughed, probably the same amount as saying we'd have bought 7 players and weren't ****ing around on deadline day trying to do any business at all.

 

[Aphex]

With all due respect it's not really about what we as fans expect as a minimum, it's about what Conte wants and expects. Surely if he thinks it's enough and would rather wait for better options that's his decision?

Lets see what happens, I still think there will be movement over the next couple of days.

Understand that, and I’d much rather wait until next window to get Zaniolo for example than sign Traore or Dan James now. Just question why we were unable to get more of the big targets over the line that we wanted this summer. To me it just feels a bit too like a usual Spurs transfer window in terms of erring on the side of conservatism and caution. Couldn’t we have spent a bit extra to get Bastoni or Zaniolo over the line and really give us a chance to do something special this season?

We did business earlier which was a departure from the norm, but I don’t think we’ve been as ambitious as I thought we were going to be.

I think we’ve done some really smart business. Just not enough of it. As you say though, as long as Conte is happy that’s the main thing!

 

[Aphex]

I dare say we're about £50-100m down on outgoings than what we thought we were going to be. You've got to include Udogie in there as well. £15m?

That’s true no doubt the lack of outgoings played a part. Udogie is one for the future which is why I didn’t include him. I was talking in terms of CB and an attacker for this season. I am excited about that signing for next year for sure.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Well he wanted Bastoni because of his ability to play out from the back. We moved on Langlet because he can also do this, and Bastoni looked extremely difficult this season.

I’m not really so surprised with us delaying our interest in Bastoni and Gvardiol, although I’m not convinced we will end up with ether next summer. But it certainly is true there isn’t any other options on their level. I think I’m more surprised by the Zaniolo situation tbh and us ether not going that extra bit or having other targets of his level or better. Where our two primary CB options are very clearly already very good players Zaniolo is still very raw. Obviously I say this from a point of view that is very much built on the knowledge shared on here and in the press thus obviously skewed and probably far from the whole story and likely not even half. But it did seem like our two targets for RW were Antony (too expensive and raw) and Zaniolo (injury prone and raw). I guess im just surprised that we didn’t have another top quality target (at the top of our list) alongside a raw, all be it very talented, injury prone Zaniolo who is already a risky prospect regardless of price and the fact that Roma would ideally keep him.