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I thought I'd read it somewhere.
Why doesn't anyone ever listen to our manager? AVB said that he would look at the squad and see where he needs to strengthen. Then we will buy some players but only after some have been moved on.
Until we see some of our fringe players being sold I doubt we will buy anyone.
He did: (from wiki)
On 3 July 2010, Moutinho signed a five-year contract with F.C. Porto. The player fell under heavy criticism for forcing a transfer to a rival club after spending 10 years in Sporting's youth ranks, also being one of the team's star players and captain. Sporting chairman José Eduardo Bettencourt described Moutinho's conduct as deplorable: "If I had not experienced the situation, I would not believe it was possible to descend so low". Sporting awaited offers from other clubs but Moutinho forced the transfer to Porto: "We tried to get him to wait longer, so that there might be some offers from abroad, but Joao lost his temper and forced an exit to FC Porto, telling us that he had given his word to FC Porto".After this, he became a persona non grata at the club, being called a rotten apple: "The deal was done because Sporting wanted it, because it did not want a rotten apple in its orchard, and it did not want someone who was not an example, nor dignified the flag of the club."
The transfer fee was priced at €11 million, with €1 million being paid for 50% of the rights to central defender Nuno André Coelho. Additionally, Sporting would receive 25% of any added value occurring during that time frame, provided it surpassed the previous value. Soon after, Porto sold 37.5% of the player's economic rights to a third party, Mamers BV, for €4.125 million.
So if we pay say 30m. 11.25m will go to Mamers, 4.75m will go to Sporting and Porto would get 15m? Or is my maths totally out?
11.25+4.75+15 = 31 maths only out by £1m
Seeing as he plays for Porto, I think Sporting would love them to sell.So Sporting have absolutely no incentive to sell. good find.
He did: (from wiki)
......... The transfer fee was priced at €11 million, with €1 million being paid for 50% of the rights to central defender Nuno André Coelho. Additionally, Sporting would receive 25% of any added value occurring during that time frame, provided it surpassed the previous value. Soon after, Porto sold 37.5% of the player's economic rights to a third party, Mamers BV, for €4.125 million.
I may be wrong, but the way it reads to me is that the only party other than Porto who would get any cut of our payment to Porto would be Sporting, who would get 25% of any profit. I read the 'economic rights' as being a separate issue.So if we pay say 30m. 11.25m will go to Mamers, 4.75m will go to Sporting and Porto would get 15m? Or is my maths totally out?
I may be wrong, but the way it reads to me is that the only party other than Porto who would get any cut of our payment to Porto would be Sporting, who would get 25% of any profit. I read the 'economic rights' as being a separate issue.
So if we paid (for example) €30m, then Porto would keep €25.25m with the other €4.75m (25% of €19m profit) being passed on to Sporting.
That'd be the best situation (including signing Moutinho) imo because it'd cost quite a bit less and allowing us to spend £20-25m on other parts of the squad. However, I reckon Sahin believes in himself and believes he can win a place in the squad as injury was the reason he didn't play not a lack of ability. Although, having to overcome Modric in addition to the quality already there may sway him to move.
I assumed 'economic rights' meant 'image rights' (or similar) and was therefore a commercial arrangement involving the marketing of Moutinho that is separate from the cost of his player registration.No, think you have missed out the 37.5% sales to Marmers BV
I assumed 'economic rights' meant 'image rights' (or similar) and was therefore a commercial arrangement involving the marketing of Moutinho that is separate from the cost of his player registration.
Does anybody definitively know what 'economic rights' means?
I assumed 'economic rights' meant 'image rights' (or similar) and was therefore a commercial arrangement involving the marketing of Moutinho that is separate from the cost of his player registration.
Does anybody definitively know what 'economic rights' means?
I understand that is the position regarding player registrations in England, but am unsure that it applies throughout the rest of Europe. However (and possibly because I may be misunderstanding what you say) I'm not sure that that answers my question.If you look at the likes of the Tevez transfer, only one entity can own registration rights, however several people cam own a % of the 'economic rights' of which all of them adds up to 100% ownership (but only one holds the registratiion rights). Position common in South America but not Europe
Now I get it. So that means that I had completely the wrong end of the stick.I think it's the rights to his contract that Porto sold a percentage of, i.e. they got money up front for a percentage of the next sale going to a third party, and that's why they're pushing the value up so high - to maximise their slice.
Also, I'm really not sure that percentage on Wiki is right, certainly journalist Andy Brassell (who's normally pretty decent and knowledgable, rather than just some shit-stirring tabloid hack) said on 5Live last week that it was 15% of Moutinho's contract that Porto had sold.
Seeing as he plays for Porto, I think Sporting would love them to sell.
You're as bad as me
Yep. Time is on our side. If we can get Adebayor done it leaves us with two priorities - another striker (or two if Defoe is off), and a replacement for Modric. I really can't see us doing another 'Frazier' so I reckon he won't be sold until our replacement is sorted (hopefully Moutinho).
After that anything else, such as Lloris, would be a bonus.
Might even be an excuse to watch the Olympics, hopefully find a young striker that has so far gone unnoticed (e.g. cheap).