The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st February 2016 THE FINAL DAY!

[mpickard2087]

I think Chadli is honestly a better stand in than many that we could have got, especially Berahino who's worth closer to a single, solitary packet of hula hoops than £25m+ that it would have taken.

He can hold the ball up and be involved in the link up play, he's used to playing in a fluid formation and having good movement, he can run in behind, his pace isn't spectacular but isn't bad, he can use both feet, he can head a ball, he scored penalty box goals, and he can score from range too... That is not a bad starting point, I'd bet any other player with those sorts of attributes and all round game would cost heaven and earth to bring in. It requires a subtle tweak of his role to play him through the middle, as happened with Dier moving into midfield.

As I said yesterday, we've been told repeatedly that Poch wants a smaller, more versatile squad. He also isn't a big believer on rotation, we have seen this. We've got one main striker and three other versatile options. The cupboard is not bare. I think some fans in all truth are just crying because they haven't got a multi million pound signing to fap off to.

 

[Hoopspur]

With the Townsend sale we took the net transfer title for a fifth consecutive window.

We are top of the (net transfer) league say we are top of the (net transfer) league

"The club would like to announce we are waiving all Season Ticket and match day prices for the 2016-17 season. We'd like to thank all our supporters for their patience during this period of obvious upheaval" Probably not, but I suppose you can live in hope?

 

[teok]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Simple-Pray...F8&qid=1454401664&sr=8-2&keywords=prayer+book

 

[newbie]

First window we have signed no one and I don't feel angry in fact I think we have done well, hopefully Pritchard will get games after his injury, someone will buy Fabio and 12 million smackers for andros.

 

[fletch82]

It only takes one popular new player to be disgruntled at being second fiddle to Kane after a few weeks/months to cause friction.
I kind of get where poch is coming from with the must be the right type of player/personality though.

We all have worked with somebody who everyone seems to love and has influence that can change people's attitude and is in reality a poisonous twat I certainly have and work with one right now it changes the whole atmosphere and causes divisions within the work place as they play divide and conquer.
At the end of the day if our doing very well at the moment manager would rather not take that risk mid season and feels we can cope then we as fans should do what we keep telling our chairman to do and show faith and trust him.

Lets be honest we are hardly struggling at the moment and if 99% of us are being honest and realistic we are already exceeding all expectations from the start of this season.

 

[spursfan77]

It only takes one popular new player to be disgruntled at being second fiddle to Kane after a few weeks/months to cause friction.
I kind of get where poch is coming from with the must be the right type of player/personality though.

We all have worked with somebody who everyone seems to love and has influence that can change people's attitude and is in reality a poisonous twat I certainly have and work with one right now it changes the whole atmosphere and causes divisions within the work place as they play divide and conquer.
At the end of the day if our doing very well at the moment manager would rather not take that risk mid season and feels we can cope then we as fans should do what we keep telling our chairman to do and show faith and trust him.

Lets be honest we are hardly struggling at the moment and if 99% of us are being honest and realistic we are already exceeding all expectations from the start of this season.

Or they could act professionally and try and win their place in the team.

As Poch has famously said "as a footballer you aren't paid to play, you're paid to train".

 

[fletch82]

Or they could act professionally and try and win their place in the team.

As Poch has famously said "as a footballer you aren't paid to play, you're paid to train".

Not sure what your point is really ?

I'm sure you understand as a human being that not everyone sees life like that.
Or an alternative point of view could be if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Most footballers are sulky whiney spoilt brats especially when they do not get what they want I can see just from what poch has achieved so far with this group why taking the risk would be a minimal need.
It's not like we don't have goals throughout the squad now is it.

 

[pablo73]

I think Chadli is honestly a better stand in than many that we could have got, especially Berahino who's worth closer to a single, solitary packet of hula hoops than £25m+ that it would have taken.

He can hold the ball up and be involved in the link up play, he's used to playing in a fluid formation and having good movement, he can run in behind, his pace isn't spectacular but isn't bad, he can use both feet, he can head a ball, he scored penalty box goals, and he can score from range too... That is not a bad starting point, I'd bet any other player with those sorts of attributes and all round game would cost heaven and earth to bring in. It requires a subtle tweak of his role to play him through the middle, as happened with Dier moving into midfield.

As I said yesterday, we've been told repeatedly that Poch wants a smaller, more versatile squad. He also isn't a big believer on rotation, we have seen this. We've got one main striker and three other versatile options. The cupboard is not bare. I think some fans in all truth are just crying because they haven't got a multi million pound signing to fap off to.

I agree with all of this in theory but if Poch has faith in Chadders as a striker why have we not seen him play up front, bar one time recently to the best of my recollection? Surely if he is seen as a viable striker option it would make sense to give him a few games up top, not only to rest Harry but also so he's more accustomed to the position if Kane were to get injured or lose form.

 

[Hoopspur]

There's this weird truth or dare thing going on inside me. In a way I want to see HK missing to see what would happen if we did not have him in the team for a couple of matches. Of course I don't really because I want us to try and win the league or challenge in these competitions but it's the intrigue. How can any of us know how we'd cope without it actually happening? Poch, Dan and the club all seem to think it'll be alright I guess. I'm super confident they didn't take any of these decisions lightly - of course if they're singing off the same sheet that is.

 

[dagraham]

It only takes one popular new player to be disgruntled at being second fiddle to Kane after a few weeks/months to cause friction.
I kind of get where poch is coming from with the must be the right type of player/personality though.

We all have worked with somebody who everyone seems to love and has influence that can change people's attitude and is in reality a poisonous twat I certainly have and work with one right now it changes the whole atmosphere and causes divisions within the work place as they play divide and conquer.
At the end of the day if our doing very well at the moment manager would rather not take that risk mid season and feels we can cope then we as fans should do what we keep telling our chairman to do and show faith and trust him.

Lets be honest we are hardly struggling at the moment and if 99% of us are being honest and realistic we are already exceeding all expectations from the start of this season.

If we can only sign players from now on who are guaranteed to start most games then we need to forget about challenging for trophies and becoming one the successful PL clubs.

Good players believe in their ability and wait for their chance at a club where challenging for trophies and playing in Europe are the norm. Let the West Ham's, Palace's and Southampton's of this world get the players in who are desperate for a pay day and/or the promise of a guaranteed start as generally that's the only way they can acquire them.

Worrying about poor players being a bit miffed is a small club mentality. If you manage the squad properly then you can accommodate quality players in all positions.

Also, the idea that we only need to worry if Kane gets injured is not one I agree with. Kane needs resting, he needs subbing off sometimes too and we as a team need more options in tight games. I am more comfortable with Chadli in the lone striker role than Son, but if Poch is so relaxed about it why did he need to start Kane against Colchester? Why did he need to bring Kane on against Leicester reserves as soon as they bothered to get out of their own half?

Poch doesn't seem to have much faith in our other options, so why should I?

I'm not tearing my hair out as I expected it (and the real cock up was in the summer window). I just think if we stay I the FA Cup and EL and Poch doesn't rest Kane (and I see no real evidence he will), then something will have to give and the season will peter out just like many, many others at WHL.

 

[dricha1]

Not sure what your point is really ?

I'm sure you understand as a human being that not everyone sees life like that.
Or an alternative point of view could be if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Most footballers are sulky whiney spoilt brats especially when they do not get what they want I can see just from what poch has achieved so far with this group why taking the risk would be a minimal need.
It's not like we don't have goals throughout the squad now is it.

We are third in goals though-out the squad;


Goals. Goals - Top Scorer
MCY 45. 33
WHU 36. 30
TOT 41. 28
LEI 42. 26
SOT 32. 26
EVE 40. 25
ARS 37. 25
CHE 32. 24
LIV 30. 24
NOR 28. 24
MUN 28. 22
BOU 27. 22
SUN 28. 19
PAL 24. 19
WBA 22. 19
STO 24. 17
NEW 25. 16
SWA 22. 14
WAT 27. 13
AVL 18. 13

 

[yidio]

Don't forget we have Clinton coming back too. Despite looking like a headless chicken I'm sure he's much further down the line with understanding the Poch way than say a Berahino or Dembele would have been.

We don't have the ideal Kane replacement, no, but as people have pointed out, we have 3 or 4 very good, very adaptable back ups if hell was to turn over and HK gets injured.

I agree with someone above - I'd like to see Chadli in that no 9 role, perhaps starting with the Fiorentina or Palace cup games. 10-15 goals from him could make all the difference.

 

[dave5150]

I guess we don't want to spend big money on a backup player that won't even play that much (I doubt Berahino would come straight into the team when we have great players who know the system) when we must be reasonably confident of a top four place. This brings with it a bigger draw for better players with time to settle in during preseason rather than having to hit the ground running.

That said, I would have liked to have brought in Dembélé.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don't understand this obsession with net spend and how it's used as an indicator of ambition (lack of). End of the day, we are above several vastly higher spenders with far greater resources (rich owners, stadiums) in Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea, just behind Man City and Arsenal, 5 points off the top and have a squad (not team, squad) made up almost exclusively of international footballers in their prime or younger. We have the best goal difference in the league, the third best attack, the best defence and continue to keep our key and most coveted players on long contracts (that's not cheap you know).

 

[fletch82]

If we can only sign players from now on who are guaranteed to start most games then we need to forget about challenging for trophies and becoming one the successful PL clubs.

Good players believe in their ability and wait for their chance at a club where challenging for trophies and playing in Europe are the norm. Let the West Ham's, Palace's and Southampton's of this world get the players in who are desperate for a pay day and/or the promise of a guaranteed start as generally that's the only way they can acquire them.

Worrying about poor players being a bit miffed is a small club mentality. If you manage the squad properly then you can accommodate quality players in all positions.

Also, the idea that we only need to worry if Kane gets injured is not one I agree with. Kane needs resting, he needs subbing off sometimes too and we as a team need more options in tight games. I am more comfortable with Chadli in the lone striker role than Son, but if Poch is so relaxed about it why did he need to start Kane against Colchester? Why did he need to bring Kane on against Leicester reserves as soon as they bothered to get out of their own half?

Poch doesn't seem to have much faith in our other options, so why should I?

I'm not tearing my hair out as I expected it (and the real cock up was in the summer window). I just think if we stay I the FA Cup and EL and Poch doesn't rest Kane (and I see no real evidence he will), then something will have to give and the season will peter out just like many, many others at WHL.

Erm yeah not quite sure I get your point mate.

I never said we couldn't sign players to add to the squad what I said was I understand poch's need to sign players for the squad with the right attitude and let's be honest there are tons out there with the wrong attitude.
Maybe that's their belief in themselves maybe they are deluded (bentner*) but either way there are more with a I am all that and a bag of chips players than I need to work hard every day and be thankful that I am being paid a fortune to do something most guys would give their right testicle for type
So yeah poch is trying to find them rather than them if you get my drift.

 

[fletch82]

We are third in goals though-out the squad;


Goals. Goals - Top Scorer
MCY 45. 33
WHU 36. 30
TOT 41. 28
LEI 42. 26
SOT 32. 26
EVE 40. 25
ARS 37. 25
CHE 32. 24
LIV 30. 24
NOR 28. 24
MUN 28. 22
BOU 27. 22
SUN 28. 19
PAL 24. 19
WBA 22. 19
STO 24. 17
NEW 25. 16
SWA 22. 14
WAT 27. 13
AVL 18. 13

So already better than 2 out of the 3 teams above us and with two of them to play and only a few points behind hmm interesting.





Yep we are fecked.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I have no problem if we move forward with only Kane as our only out and out striker if Poch believes Son and Chadli are capable. But if that is the case I hope Poch starts playing ether one of those two more regularly upfront. . Kane has played far too many minutes and I can't see him playing another 30 odd games (if we progress in all comps) this season and still be able to do the required job.

It's sad that our inability to find another option throughout Europe in 6 months has pretty much led me to hope that we crash out of the Europa this month, because despite what he says I can't see Poch resting Kane for Fiorentina or Palace in the cup games, and he's a shoe in for the PL games. Plus if Son/Chadli become regular false 9s due to Kane being out we suddenly become light in the wide areas.

There's potentially 9 games left in the Europa, 4-6 in the FA Cup and 15 PL games. There's a long way to go!

 

[Styopa]

Wow everyone is very calm in here... What is Transfer Deadline Day© coming to? First Sky prevents 'fans' from appearing on their reports and now this. It's all starting to feel very middle class.

 

[teok]

First Sky prevents 'fans' from appearing on their reports and now this.

Is this after dildo gate?

 

[Gbspurs]

Makes me wonder if Poch is still waiting for Jay Rodriguez.