The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 1st January 2019

[wrd]

Seeing as the money management at spurs isnt my responsibility, I say we pay it.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Ndombele has looked the real deal in the few big games he has had (City/PSG) but it's also still a risky transfer, then consider such a high fee and it'd be hard for us to go for it, even if the money is there.

That said it's not like we need a squad overhaul, it'd make sense to go deep on the main weakness in the squad, it's paying off for Liverpool.

 

[Wig]

Media reporting Lyon want £72M for Ndombele which pretty much ties in with what JJ is saying, give or take a few quid.

In reality these are the kinds of rates we're now looking at to sign quality players with 10 years left in them, unfortunately.

Liverpool paid record fees for a defender and goalkeeper recently and look what a difference it has made for them. These fees are just the market rates for players of this quality, with new records seemingly being set every latest window. Yet it seems that the new inflated market rates come as a shock to Spurs management each and every window. If Spurs really want Ndombele and £75M is what he is valued at, then we need to either pay up or stop identifying players who are clearly out of our price bracket

 

[freeeki]

Liverpool paid record fees for a defender and goalkeeper recently and look what a difference it has made for them. These fees are just the market rates for players of this quality, with new records seemingly being set every latest window. Yet it seems that the new inflated market rates come as a shock to Spurs management each and every window. If Spurs really want Ndombele and £75M is what he is valued at, then we need to either pay up or stop identifying players who are clearly out of our price bracket

Precisely. Eventually we will start paying these prices, as we've proven by showing we're now willing to spend upward of £30M on players.

If we'd done that five years ago, we might've won the league by now.

If we're willing to spend £50M+ now, we might win the league soon.

Otherwise we can keep following five years behind where others have led.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

JJ has tweeted that Lyon are asking for 'More than double our record transfer fee' for Ndombele.

If that is the case then I don't blame us for not pursuing him. No way is he worth £85m+ in his current stage of development.

Not really surprising considering the market, his age, the fact it's Lyon and how heralded he has been by the media. To be honest tho, I would rather we picked Houssem Aouar from them before he gets too stupid expensive or City get him. even if we loan him back I think it would be a wise move. Ndombele is no doub a huge talent, but like SMS, way too rich for Levy. Most I can see us paying for anyone is 50 at a push.

 

[Gareth88]

Couple of Dm’s would be nice another left back and another center forward. Not a chance anything happens this window though.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Without knowing how much money is in the pot, I disagree. We're only two or three players away from truly competing, and if one of those players costs £70m then that's what they cost. Look at Liverpool with Van Dijk and Allisson - extortionate, but they've not looked back.

Good point made here. If we are targeting specific players then they are clearly worth more to us than perhaps similar players. Liverpool kept going back for VVD and in the end got him, since when he has proved value for the seemingly extortionate fee. Maybe we don't trust the judgment of Poch and the scouts as much as Pool do with their staff?

 

[Stamford]

JJ has tweeted that Lyon are asking for 'More than double our record transfer fee' for Ndombele.

If that is the case then I don't blame us for not pursuing him. No way is he worth £85m+ in his current stage of development.

But isn't that just the going rate these days. We can't expect to be picking up Eriksen quality for low prices, we really need to buy a couple of finished articles if we are to compete.

 

[Japhet]

Liverpool paid record fees for a defender and goalkeeper recently and look what a difference it has made for them. These fees are just the market rates for players of this quality, with new records seemingly being set every latest window. Yet it seems that the new inflated market rates come as a shock to Spurs management each and every window. If Spurs really want Ndombele and £75M is what he is valued at, then we need to either pay up or stop identifying players who are clearly out of our price bracket

There's probably a sell on fee that accounts for a big chunk of N'Dombele's valuation.

 

[Galactico14]

But isn't that just the going rate these days. We can't expect to be picking up Eriksen quality for low prices, we really need to buy a couple of finished articles if we are to compete.

Especially as in the next breath we will be demanding record fees for our players.

 

[RichieS]

Shame as Ndombele would be an ideal addition to our squad imo...should have picked him up a year ago

I don't think we could have done. Lyon had a cast-iron option to buy from Amiens and there was no way they were going to sell him on straight away.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

JJ has tweeted that Lyon are asking for 'More than double our record transfer fee' for Ndombele.

If that is the case then I don't blame us for not pursuing him. No way is he worth £85m+ in his current stage of development.

Going rate unfortunately, I can understand why they are asking he is already a brilliant footballer who would improve most teams in an instant, we would ask for the same.

 

[wrd]

The problem that Spurs will have is that there is now evidence that signing a player in your weakest area for a large fee has shown to elevate a team. Liverpool have gone up two levels, one when they signed Van Dijk and then again with Alisson. So for us fans it's one of those where, are we going to be content signing depth at the 30 mark on a few players or going all out for one. Personally I'd like to see us make 1 big signing in the middle and then be smart about some deals in our fullback areas by selling what we have.

 

[mil1lion]

Ndombele would be the ideal long term solution to the Sissoko role but he's too expensive now. It's crazy to think that Sissoko could have his role tied up for a few years on current form. In reality we need to find a much cheaper alternative or work on Onomah.

It's good to have 2 players for each role in the team I think. So another box to box athletic powerful runner would be great given how much it has benefit us with Sissoko this season. I would replace Wanyama with such a player because Skipp occupies the Dier role now.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

But isn't that just the going rate these days. We can't expect to be picking up Eriksen quality for low prices, we really need to buy a couple of finished articles if we are to compete.

Not for a player with a handful of international caps and under 2 seasons in a poor French league.

Liverpool paid similar amounts for established internationals playing in far more competitive leagues

 

[wrd]

Not for a player with a handful of international caps and under 2 seasons in a poor French league.

Liverpool paid similar amounts for established internationals playing in far more competitive leagues

An argument could be made that Alisson was signed after 1 season at Roma where as NDombele has shown improvements over 2 seasons but I get your point however I'd argue that us waiting until they're established is why we can't get these players because they then become out of our price range or Barca and Madrid come swooping in.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

The problem that Spurs will have is that there is now evidence that signing a player in your weakest area for a large fee has shown to elevate a team. Liverpool have gone up two levels, one when they signed Van Dijk and then again with Alisson. So for us fans it's one of those where, are we going to be content signing depth at the 30 mark on a few players or going all out for one. Personally I'd like to see us make 1 big signing in the middle and then be smart about some deals in our fullback areas by selling what we have.

I’d rather we added a cigar room to complement our cheese room and a baseball pitch to add to our NFL pitch, so much more entertaining than some Carlos Kickaball. Yours, Daniel

 

[Breezer]

Not for a player with a handful of international caps and under 2 seasons in a poor French league.

Liverpool paid similar amounts for established internationals playing in far more competitive leagues

That’s one way of looking at it... but from Lyon point of view. They’re in the last 16 of the CL and he’s one of their best players. They don’t require the money and for them to lose him in January is just silly as replacing him would be an issue. So to make it plausible the owner is asking for over £70m.

 

[PhezTHFC]

That’s one way of looking at it... but from Lyon point of view. They’re in the last 16 of the CL and he’s one of their best players. They don’t require the money and for them to lose him in January is just silly as replacing him would be an issue. So to make it plausible the owner is asking for over £70m.

We can't begrudge that either as we would want a lot more i imagine. We need a top CM. If this is who we regard as the ideal candidate and the money is there then we need to bite the bullet and do it. But nothing is ever as simple as that.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

We should be exploring deals the way Liverpool did, and now Chelsea have done. Lock up the deals now, loan back for the rest of the season, but ensure that we have the players we need at the start of the summer instead of waiting until the end of the Window.

Chelsea just over-paid for Pulisic, and are presumably spending Hazard money, but its one less deal they will have to worry about in the summer.