The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September 2015 DEADLINE DAY!

[Spurger King]

POST OF THE TRANSFER WINDOW

Take a bow

He's just in a euphoric mood because we didn't sign 'the new Defoe'.

 

[dorsetyid]

Disappointed we did not strengthen a few key areas but if you take a step back you realise just what a f*cking nightmare Berahino is. His own team mates picked a fight with him last year, his agent is the same dickhead that repped Sterling and publicly throwing his toys out the pram is all well and good when it is us he wanted to come to but there would have been an even greater chance he would have done exactly the same thing to us in a few years.

 

[Donki]

Are you capable of grasping the concept of a development academy ? The same people saying give Veljkovic a chance instead of buying a fucking massively overpriced decent but ordinary alternative are possibly the same who have seen the results of giving Kane a chance, or Bentaleb or Mason - you know those players that went toe to toe with the likes of McCarthy & Wanyama and came out best.

You realise that two of the biggest purchases made this summer were players under 21. Sterling (50m) and Martial (36m). How the fuck do you think that happened ? think about it….I'll save us both a a couple of hours, they got played by their clubs as teenagers. As did a couple of the players we have bought. Could their be something in this philosophy ? Especially if you have hired a manager based on his supposed coaching ability, not his ability to wheel and deal in football's middle market.



Days like this you need to appreciate it was the fuckwit Newcsatle fans inability to grasp reality that got them in the ginormous clusterfuck they were in. If you remember it started with them demonstrating against Pardew. Now I don't think Pardew is a fucking genius but he was doing an OK job for a club that now has to be run as a sustainable business, they were making shrewd purchases, he was getting performances out of them and they were making big profits and trying to repeat the process, the model for any sustainable club, including the likes of Porto, Ajax, most of Germany and France. Unfortunately he was so convinced of the ****y nature of the idiots that support that club who singularly failed to grasp that it is no longer 1995 and their owner was already a couple of hundred million in debt to the club, that he jumped ship for a relegation team with about a fifth of the budget just to get away from the fucktards. Who then got what they wanted, one of their own, with a similar IQ, and nearly took them down, which would have been exactly what they deserve.




How about the guys on the other end need to man the fuck up and realise this is a trading game. Levy never puts a gun to their head, they never have to sell fuck all to him. And if they do feel they've been bullied they don't have to like it but how about they don't have to blubb to the media about it. Because chances are they are just as likely to need Levy's business in the future as he is theirs. And I said exactly the same when Levy grumbled about ManU tapping up Berbatov.

Everyone is saying Levy tried to bully Peace but Peace was also trying to bully Levy into paying over the odds. His player is going to have one year left on his contract this time next year, unless he becomes Aguero this season his (over) value is going to drop considerably. If Peace ends up taking 12m for him who's the idiot ?

We play a one striker system. As do ManU. They sold (or gave back) three CF's this summer and have bought a teenage wide forward. Arsenal have the same, one true striker, two/three wide forwards. We already have a couple of wide forwards and We've bought two, one who's experienced in one of Europe's strongest leagues. This is the logical way to operate, especially as we don't even have those two clubs budget. One main striker, three or four versatile forwards who can contribute to the team in other areas and back up the striker. Like Chelsea did with Costa and Remy (who spent a lot of his time in France as a wide forward in 4231/433)

It would have been idiotic to pay 25m for a player to sit on our bench when we have easily enough options to at least cover us until January.

And with regards to your post yesterday about the middle teams all strengthening, I agree they have, but it was a disingenuous thing to say as you know it is much easier for them to strengthen than it is for the likes of us and Liverpool. We are operating in much more marginal markets, players that strengthen clubs like us are those close enough to be top class to improve us but not quite there enough for those bigger fish to snap them up, and fuck knows, everything that kicks a ball straight aged 18 is now getting snapped up.

I can't think of too many of these ready fit, top class, guarantee to improve our first team players that either didn't get snapped up by bigger fish, were priced out of our range or were not for sale. I would liked players like Kramer or Embolo but even they were young potential, not sure fire off the peg, fully formed top class.


To All the B(itching)W(hiners)ofD(aniel)L(evy)

Do I blame Levy for not getting bullied into massively over paying for Defoe mark 2, hell fucking no, in fact I'll put my money where my mouth is and chuck in the £25 promised if he didn't. I'll also add £5 for offloading the insipid gangsta ant and generally LEARNING LESSONS FROM PREVIOUS WINDOWS like not wasting money on decent but limited, ordinary, ho fucking hum footballers who we have paid millions to sit in the stands most of the last two years.

We hired a coach with a philosophy that includes energy & tempo, we have an academy that has been teaching that from 15yo up. No more fucking Dempsey's, Chiriches's, Stambouli's, Davies's.

We may go through some more transition, but if we struggle and finish lower than eighth but get these kids moving in a year or two we'll have our own Sterling's and Martial's. If we finish lower than eighth and Levy sticks by Pochettino and preservers with and supports the philosophy, I'll chip another £50 in to SC, by way of putting my money where my mouth is.

Levy fucks up. Not supporting AVB through a difficult time.The Berbatov summer. And the BWofDL no doubt have databases bigger than dating Agency's for married men of his misdemeanours, but this blubbing about every transfer window is pathetic. "I would actually have settled for Austin". Fuck me. How about thinking further than next fucking saturday's result ?

We've finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 5th. Anyone would think Levy had taken over the Champions and got them relegated, instead we are the most consistent and highest achieving self sustaining club in this league over the last few years. We don't do that by vastly over paying for mediocrity too often.

A fucking mean BC, you have covered absolutely everything I wanted to say. It won't stop the people who just want that big money signing. I'm still excited about the season we have added pace upfront which is something we have lacked for seasons.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

My rebuttal:

So it's confirmed, then. Son, a winger, was signed as a backup striker. Brilliant! Mauricio feels good about the attacking players? Well he should! He only has 6-8 AM's. Problem is, he also only has 1 striker. Count 'em up. 1. His backup striker? A winger that was only signed so you can enjoy trips to Asia and so Daniel can make a pre season tour hitting up China and South Korea. We all know AIA wanted us to get an asian player. So we found one who brings commercial benefits from LG as well. At least he's a good player though, if he plays in his rightful position at wide forward, key word there is WIDE. So he's not solely a marketing signing like we've had in the past(Khumalo and Yedlin spring immediately to mind).

By the way, your little marketing experiment with the Yedlin signing is backfiring because he hasnt played for us and alot of US MLS fanboys are furious over it killing us and also Klinsmann, FYI. Better hope he does well at Sunderland and that Poch actually gives him an opportunity next year. Actually scratch that. I shouldnt say Poch because anyone with a brain knows that it is highly unlikely he'll be here next season. Why? We have all seen this clusterfuck of a movie before. Manager doesnt get backed, fans get pissed, turn on him, he gets sacked or he walks. Levy and the board come out unscathed.

So we'll be right back to square 1 next summer but we'll lose Lloris, Vertonghen and probably Kane and Eriksen. Then we'll replace them with another magnificent 7 or 8 having no net spend yet again and struggle again. Problem is, we wont be top 8 because the PL is more even then ever thanks to the TV deal. The clubs below us are spending as are the clubs above us. And they are bringing quality players into the league with it massively improving their sides but you, the board, are so risk averse and so petrified of spending more than you bring in in the transfer window that the product on the pitch suffers. Remember that "The stadium plans wont effect the quality on the pitch" line? Bet you wish you guys can take that back now.

However, at least we can all feed good about the academy and the beautiful stadium plans. So that's something.

/rant

Phew. Thats off my chest. I'll be back in an hour or 2. Gotta take a bit to cool off after that.

My £30 for Lloris staying is on it's way into the pot. Thanks for providing us with this great forum and great thread, @Rob and @Archibald&Crooks. Special thanks to the ITK's. Not their fault at all. Only relay what they hear. Cant do much about it when it doesnt come off but they always take some heat over it, unfortunately.

By the way, I'm very surprised Lloris, Vertonghen and Eriksen are here. After all, you've been telling us the WHOLE FUCKING WINDOW, that they would leave- stating it as complete fact, and that it was definitely going to happen.

Nice one

 

[Blackcanary]

Anyone else feel sorry for Berahino now? He clearly wanted to join us, but has now upset his chariman, probably most of his teammates and almost certainly the majority of WBA fans. He's probably their version of Adebayor now!

@Bus-Conductor - no need to reply to this one mate, your sympathy for him shone through in your last post .

To be fair, he didn't have to take to twitter to burn his bridges so totally. And I can understand his frustration, but I also have little patience for footballers pulling the "ooh, my head's not right, I couldn't possibly play, i'm having an attack of the vapours" bullshit.

You're paid handsomely to do your job. You have a contract. You honour that until you move.

 

[THOWIG]

Son is one of the finest signings in our history. We have a gem.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

To be fair, he didn't have to take to twitter to burn his bridges so totally. And I can understand his frustration, but I also have little patience for footballers pulling the "ooh, my head's not right, I couldn't possibly play, i'm having an attack of the vapours" bullshit.

You're paid handsomely to do your job. You have a contract. You honour that until you move.

Ade says LOL

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Anyone else feel sorry for Berahino now? He clearly wanted to join us, but has now upset his chariman, probably most of his teammates and almost certainly the majority of WBA fans. He's probably their version of Adebayor now!

@Bus-Conductor - no need to reply to this one mate, your sympathy for him shone through in your last post .

he has my deepest condolences. Must be tough being an idiot millionaire.

 

[yankspur]

Just something I've been thinking. I know several Spurs fans that know their football but don't do the whole online thing and aren't registered to any forums. I've spoken to 5 of them today in a mini experiment type thing and every single one is at least ok and at most very happy with our window. They've basically between them said that Trippier, Alli, Wimmer, Alderweireld, N'jie and Son makes for a really good window. They would've liked a striker but are generally ok due to Son & N'jie as back up and only one of them was angry at the failure to sign a DM. They're normal fans. Most hadn't heard of Wimmer for instance but generally know what they're talking about.

I think my point is that if there was no internet and no reminder every other minute that we're after Witsel or Wanyama or Martinez or Illaremendi or Berahino or Pato or all the other players on the transfer rumours forum, then people would be much less angry at the result of our business. Sure they'd be gutted but nowhere near as angry. Some people take the ITK thread far too literally and as we all know, what was the case one minute might change the next. If people weren't aware what was happening that first minute then they can't get angry at the next when nothing comes of it. As much fun as the ITK thread is, and it is, it doesn't half bring out the worst in people. The Internet era has changed people's patience. For example, in the whole scheme of things, the Illaremendi rumours lasted around a week, maybe 10 days before he signed for Sociedad but because of the Internet, people were constantly talking about him every minutes of every day so it felt like we'd been after him for years and it made it worse when we didn't get him.

While I'm yapping on and on I might as well get this thought in too; I personally completely understand how ITK works and that things can change quickly. My 'advice' to the ITK's is that if you add the terms 'my source believes/states' and 'as of this moment' then that would go down better with lots of posters. So a comment like 'Berahino is pretty much done' could be changed to 'my source believes that as of this moment, Berahino is pretty much done'. That way the ITK doesn't come across as any kind of know it all (not that they do now) and even the most anti ITK poster will understand that the ITK is just passing on info in good faith and not declaring themselves to be the daddy. This should be obvious anyway but not all posters understand this..... This is absolutely not a dig at ITK's, especially our ones. They've been beautiful.

Back to the window, I'm writing this season off in terms of top 4 but I think we'll use lots of youth over the season and that can only be good for next season. If Poch really wants Berahino that much, I'd rather he waits for him next season than get someone in for the sake of it and not play them much anyway (like Stambouli & Fazio). Saying that, I'm very disappointed we didn't get a striker & think we're an injury to Kane away from having a 'mare but am excited to see how Son & Clinton work out. And I really fucking love Dier so I'm glad he'll get more game time. I'd play him up front if it meant him being on the pitch. Future captain for me.

It's been disappointing but it's not a disaster. And striker/DM aside, it's been a pretty decent window. I'm 50/50 re Levy. There's no doubt he's done some amazing things for us but he's also fucked up too. I'm ready for a sugar daddy City style to take us to the next level. I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years and now I want to see us compete properly and regularly. I'd very much prefer to do all this under Levy but I can't see that being possible due to the limitless spending by City, Chelsea & now Utd.

Jesus how long? If you're still reading you're obviously bored.

Me too!!

 

[Bulletspur]

We did make signings in key positions that were identified and secured early on - its like people instantly forget all the good work that was done in this window because the WBA chairman stonewalled us at the end. Let's not go totally mental.

Mate, I never envisioned me ever saying this but I don't blame WBA Chairman, Levy fucked up. WBA stance was known for several weeks, ample time to seek alternatives

 

[p_ashman]

Looking forward to December already to speak to the somewhat deluded people expecting us to be around 4th and 5th. Loris to go in Jan to Man U I wonder.

Who is Delle Ali looking up to at Spurs ?

 

[Spurger King]

A fucking mean BC, you have covered absolutely everything I wanted to say. It won't stop the people who just want that big money signing. I'm still excited about the season we have added pace upfront which is something we have lacked for seasons.

Actually I think most people just wanted a bit of balance to a squad left lacking in key areas. Y'know, like the doolally notion of actually having more than one recognised striker in the entire squad.

 

[SpursSince1980]

like most on here, it's hard not to feel bummed out by today. what has me vexed is the disconnect between what levy seems to do every TW and the strategy behind signing Mitchell. wasn't he brought in to identify players that are on the rise, that are affordable and fit into our way of playing. I've seen many teams in our league bring such players in, but if the press are to be believed, we've been chasing rainbows. players and financials that do not align with our supposed approach. i'm sure theres a thousand things i'm not getting or have no insight into, but i'd love to know. as right now, we look silly. it was abundantly clear where we needed help in order to compete at the top and we seemingly left it to the last 48 hours to complete the jigsaw. please do not respond with arsenal this, and utd that... I don't care about them. they already have outstanding teams. we don't.

 

[cockerel downunder]

Are you capable of grasping the concept of a development academy ? The same people saying give Veljkovic a chance instead of buying a fucking massively overpriced decent but ordinary alternative are possibly the same who have seen the results of giving Kane a chance, or Bentaleb or Mason - you know those players that went toe to toe with the likes of McCarthy & Wanyama and came out best.

You realise that two of the biggest purchases made this summer were players under 21. Sterling (50m) and Martial (36m). How the fuck do you think that happened ? think about it….I'll save us both a a couple of hours, they got played by their clubs as teenagers. As did a couple of the players we have bought. Could their be something in this philosophy ? Especially if you have hired a manager based on his supposed coaching ability, not his ability to wheel and deal in football's middle market.



Days like this you need to appreciate it was the fuckwit Newcsatle fans inability to grasp reality that got them in the ginormous clusterfuck they were in. If you remember it started with them demonstrating against Pardew. Now I don't think Pardew is a fucking genius but he was doing an OK job for a club that now has to be run as a sustainable business, they were making shrewd purchases, he was getting performances out of them and they were making big profits and trying to repeat the process, the model for any sustainable club, including the likes of Porto, Ajax, most of Germany and France. Unfortunately he was so convinced of the ****y nature of the idiots that support that club who singularly failed to grasp that it is no longer 1995 and their owner was already a couple of hundred million in debt to the club, that he jumped ship for a relegation team with about a fifth of the budget just to get away from the fucktards. Who then got what they wanted, one of their own, with a similar IQ, and nearly took them down, which would have been exactly what they deserve.




How about the guys on the other end need to man the fuck up and realise this is a trading game. Levy never puts a gun to their head, they never have to sell fuck all to him. And if they do feel they've been bullied they don't have to like it but how about they don't have to blubb to the media about it. Because chances are they are just as likely to need Levy's business in the future as he is theirs. And I said exactly the same when Levy grumbled about ManU tapping up Berbatov.

Everyone is saying Levy tried to bully Peace but Peace was also trying to bully Levy into paying over the odds. His player is going to have one year left on his contract this time next year, unless he becomes Aguero this season his (over) value is going to drop considerably. If Peace ends up taking 12m for him who's the idiot ?

We play a one striker system. As do ManU. They sold (or gave back) three CF's this summer and have bought a teenage wide forward. Arsenal have the same, one true striker, two/three wide forwards. We already have a couple of wide forwards and We've bought two, one who's experienced in one of Europe's strongest leagues. This is the logical way to operate, especially as we don't even have those two clubs budget. One main striker, three or four versatile forwards who can contribute to the team in other areas and back up the striker. Like Chelsea did with Costa and Remy (who spent a lot of his time in France as a wide forward in 4231/433)

It would have been idiotic to pay 25m for a player to sit on our bench when we have easily enough options to at least cover us until January.

And with regards to your post yesterday about the middle teams all strengthening, I agree they have, but it was a disingenuous thing to say as you know it is much easier for them to strengthen than it is for the likes of us and Liverpool. We are operating in much more marginal markets, players that strengthen clubs like us are those close enough to be top class to improve us but not quite there enough for those bigger fish to snap them up, and fuck knows, everything that kicks a ball straight aged 18 is now getting snapped up.

I can't think of too many of these ready fit, top class, guarantee to improve our first team players that either didn't get snapped up by bigger fish, were priced out of our range or were not for sale. I would liked players like Kramer or Embolo but even they were young potential, not sure fire off the peg, fully formed top class.


To All the B(itching)W(hiners)ofD(aniel)L(evy)

Do I blame Levy for not getting bullied into massively over paying for Defoe mark 2, hell fucking no, in fact I'll put my money where my mouth is and chuck in the £25 promised if he didn't. I'll also add £5 for offloading the insipid gangsta ant and generally LEARNING LESSONS FROM PREVIOUS WINDOWS like not wasting money on decent but limited, ordinary, ho fucking hum footballers who we have paid millions to sit in the stands most of the last two years.

We hired a coach with a philosophy that includes energy & tempo, we have an academy that has been teaching that from 15yo up. No more fucking Dempsey's, Chiriches's, Stambouli's, Davies's.

We may go through some more transition, but if we struggle and finish lower than eighth but get these kids moving in a year or two we'll have our own Sterling's and Martial's. If we finish lower than eighth and Levy sticks by Pochettino and preservers with and supports the philosophy, I'll chip another £50 in to SC, by way of putting my money where my mouth is.

Levy fucks up. Not supporting AVB through a difficult time.The Berbatov summer. And the BWofDL no doubt have databases bigger than dating Agency's for married men of his misdemeanours, but this blubbing about every transfer window is pathetic. "I would actually have settled for Austin". Fuck me. How about thinking further than next fucking saturday's result ?

We've finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 5th. Anyone would think Levy had taken over the Champions and got them relegated, instead we are the most consistent and highest achieving self sustaining club in this league over the last few years. We don't do that by vastly over paying for mediocrity too often.

Great post. We continue to evolve in the right direction, albeit slower than some would like.

 

[nailsy]

My final post for the night....

@Trix @JJetset @Mystery @rebrab and all the other ITK's on this site (and those from foreign shores) - Thanks for all the info, you've been immense.

@Archibald&Crooks @Stoof @TaoistMonkey and all the other mods - thanks for all the hard work and entertainment.

@Rob Thanks for keeping this place going!

@dovahkiin You're a legend!

And everyone else who posts on here...

PS - Can someone PM Jasper and check he's OK?

 

[2DogsBarker]

Are you capable of grasping the concept of a development academy ? The same people saying give Veljkovic a chance instead of buying a fucking massively overpriced decent but ordinary alternative are possibly the same who have seen the results of giving Kane a chance, or Bentaleb or Mason - you know those players that went toe to toe with the likes of McCarthy & Wanyama and came out best.

You realise that two of the biggest purchases made this summer were players under 21. Sterling (50m) and Martial (36m). How the fuck do you think that happened ? think about it….I'll save us both a a couple of hours, they got played by their clubs as teenagers. As did a couple of the players we have bought. Could their be something in this philosophy ? Especially if you have hired a manager based on his supposed coaching ability, not his ability to wheel and deal in football's middle market.



Days like this you need to appreciate it was the fuckwit Newcsatle fans inability to grasp reality that got them in the ginormous clusterfuck they were in. If you remember it started with them demonstrating against Pardew. Now I don't think Pardew is a fucking genius but he was doing an OK job for a club that now has to be run as a sustainable business, they were making shrewd purchases, he was getting performances out of them and they were making big profits and trying to repeat the process, the model for any sustainable club, including the likes of Porto, Ajax, most of Germany and France. Unfortunately he was so convinced of the ****y nature of the idiots that support that club who singularly failed to grasp that it is no longer 1995 and their owner was already a couple of hundred million in debt to the club, that he jumped ship for a relegation team with about a fifth of the budget just to get away from the fucktards. Who then got what they wanted, one of their own, with a similar IQ, and nearly took them down, which would have been exactly what they deserve.




How about the guys on the other end need to man the fuck up and realise this is a trading game. Levy never puts a gun to their head, they never have to sell fuck all to him. And if they do feel they've been bullied they don't have to like it but how about they don't have to blubb to the media about it. Because chances are they are just as likely to need Levy's business in the future as he is theirs. And I said exactly the same when Levy grumbled about ManU tapping up Berbatov.

Everyone is saying Levy tried to bully Peace but Peace was also trying to bully Levy into paying over the odds. His player is going to have one year left on his contract this time next year, unless he becomes Aguero this season his (over) value is going to drop considerably. If Peace ends up taking 12m for him who's the idiot ?

We play a one striker system. As do ManU. They sold (or gave back) three CF's this summer and have bought a teenage wide forward. Arsenal have the same, one true striker, two/three wide forwards. We already have a couple of wide forwards and We've bought two, one who's experienced in one of Europe's strongest leagues. This is the logical way to operate, especially as we don't even have those two clubs budget. One main striker, three or four versatile forwards who can contribute to the team in other areas and back up the striker. Like Chelsea did with Costa and Remy (who spent a lot of his time in France as a wide forward in 4231/433)

It would have been idiotic to pay 25m for a player to sit on our bench when we have easily enough options to at least cover us until January.

And with regards to your post yesterday about the middle teams all strengthening, I agree they have, but it was a disingenuous thing to say as you know it is much easier for them to strengthen than it is for the likes of us and Liverpool. We are operating in much more marginal markets, players that strengthen clubs like us are those close enough to be top class to improve us but not quite there enough for those bigger fish to snap them up, and fuck knows, everything that kicks a ball straight aged 18 is now getting snapped up.

I can't think of too many of these ready fit, top class, guarantee to improve our first team players that either didn't get snapped up by bigger fish, were priced out of our range or were not for sale. I would liked players like Kramer or Embolo but even they were young potential, not sure fire off the peg, fully formed top class.


To All the B(itching)W(hiners)ofD(aniel)L(evy)

Do I blame Levy for not getting bullied into massively over paying for Defoe mark 2, hell fucking no, in fact I'll put my money where my mouth is and chuck in the £25 promised if he didn't. I'll also add £5 for offloading the insipid gangsta ant and generally LEARNING LESSONS FROM PREVIOUS WINDOWS like not wasting money on decent but limited, ordinary, ho fucking hum footballers who we have paid millions to sit in the stands most of the last two years.

We hired a coach with a philosophy that includes energy & tempo, we have an academy that has been teaching that from 15yo up. No more fucking Dempsey's, Chiriches's, Stambouli's, Davies's.

We may go through some more transition, but if we struggle and finish lower than eighth but get these kids moving in a year or two we'll have our own Sterling's and Martial's. If we finish lower than eighth and Levy sticks by Pochettino and preservers with and supports the philosophy, I'll chip another £50 in to SC, by way of putting my money where my mouth is.

Levy fucks up. Not supporting AVB through a difficult time.The Berbatov summer. And the BWofDL no doubt have databases bigger than dating Agency's for married men of his misdemeanours, but this blubbing about every transfer window is pathetic. "I would actually have settled for Austin". Fuck me. How about thinking further than next fucking saturday's result ?

We've finished 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 5th. Anyone would think Levy had taken over the Champions and got them relegated, instead we are the most consistent and highest achieving self sustaining club in this league over the last few years. We don't do that by vastly over paying for mediocrity too often.

Without question, one of the most intelligent posts I have read on SC for a very long time. Chapeau sir, chap fucking eau #COYS

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Looking forward to December already to speak to the somewhat deluded people expecting us to be around 4th and 5th. Loris to go in Jan to Man U I wonder.

Who is Delle Ali looking up to at Spurs ?

see my sig? That's you, isn't it?

 

[HarrysBungs]

Son is one of the finest signings in our history. We have a gem.

Have I missed his debut or are you basing this on 5 min youtube clip? Remember that chap called Lamela who was also a world beater?

 

[TorontoYid]

Son isn't even a striker. More a winger and has a record of scoring once every 3 games or so. Hardly lit the world on fire

 

[THOWIG]

Have I missed his debut or are you basing this on 5 min youtube clip? Remember that chap called Lamela who was also a world beater?

No watched him over the last 4 years pal.