The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 26th June 2012

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm pretty sure that's it and that the sentence was simply badly worded. After all, it's been clear for a long while that Levy admires the Arsenal model and is great chums with David Dein (although he doesn't possess Dein's football nous). It just seemed to me that it's one of those pieces of ITK that reads plausibly but is actually something just about any of us could have put together with no inside knowledge at all; the claim that Bostock has only just got God simply isn't true, though, and he also got married last year, so there's no new girlfriend. After that, you can only wonder about the rest.

Do any of us actually know how clued up Levy is or isn't. I would have said Levy has displayed good footballing nous - certainly better than most football chairman. He seems to have been acting as our director of football for the last 4 years in much the same way Dein did at Arsenal and making a pretty good job of it.

I honestly don't know how much footballing nous he has, but I'd be hard pushed to come up with too many chairman I'd think have displayed more.

A good question for JJ maybe ?

 

[lukadownthelane]

SS57
I don't think Levy necessarily wants a manager to be in direct day to day control of all teams, I think he wants a philosophy overseen by a manager so that kids/U18's/U20's teams all play with a similar system and philosophy so they are better prepared to make the transition and therefore more likely to realise some kind of value to the team (or return on development investment).

The same way Ajax, Barca or Arsenal develop and produce young players for example.

At least I hope that's what it means.

We need a football buddha

 

[greaves]

We need a football buddha

That or a low-fat spread...

 

[r_baker]

RE - adebayors wages

levy shouldnt pay him 185k a week simple as that.

he isnt twice as good as modric/bale/vdv or any of our players, in fact he isnt even a level better than most of them.
just because he's played at city and they have skyrocketed his wages, it doesent mean that he's worth that every week. if he means what he says about loving spurs etc, he'll realise he doesent deserve those wages within our structure and take a cut.

if levy caves and pays out to him, walker bale modric vdv and every member of our starting 11 will want an increase.

 

[Indisguise]

To be fair, JJs comments on Remy/De Jong were a bit of a surprise and not a welcome one. Even if we re-sign Ade we need more depth in the strikers. Until now , all the ITK had been pointing to at least Remy being a distinct possibility. JustinSignal is raising a valid concern.

We can only hope that either the new manager has specified other options that are being worked on, or that we can expect an injection of funds that puts better targets in reach from a financial perspective. Hopefully, we have made good progress on the defence and midfield, but without a couple of strikers, we are going to struggle to make top four

Perhaps DL believes AVB can get the best out of Giovanni?

 

[Mr Pink]

If it were any other realistic manager (Pep don't count) why would we need to wait until the 1st of July to announce it? That date is telling given the speculation regarding AVB's payments from Chelsea and suggests that its somebody who has issues with their ex Club, like a severance package etc...

hello AVB.

 

[Spursidol]

The trouble with it as it stands (or stood under Redknapp) is what "philosophy/methodolgy/system" was being overseen by Sherwood ?

For example, two seasons ago our youth played Arsenal's youth in a semi at WHL. Our youth (containing Bostock etc) was being hailed as the best around. Arsenal's came and gave us a footballing lesson. But what struck any observer most of all was how they played within the same approach as Arsenal's first team. The pressed us better, they moved more intelligently and they passed the ball better.

What philosophy was running through our set up from kids upwards ? Watching the displays in europe last season you could see the same failings manifest. Some decent players but a lack of cohesion, a lack of discipline, no real tactical awareness or aptitude.

Don't disagree with anything you say - except in Europa League it seemed as if the players wre introduced about 5 mins before each match, ie no training together before hand etc.

To be fair re youth team 2 seasons ago, the new philosophy might not have been introduced early enough - or alternatively Arsenal might have been 'more up' for it - and wasn't that shortly after we had beaten Barcelona and then Sporting Lisbon in a youth competition so Arsenal felt they had a point to prove ?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

RE - adebayors wages

levy shouldnt pay him 185k a week simple as that.

he isnt twice as good as modric/bale/vdv or any of our players, in fact he isnt even a level better than most of them.
just because he's played at city and they have skyrocketed his wages, it doesent mean that he's worth that every week. if he means what he says about loving spurs etc, he'll realise he doesent deserve those wages within our structure and take a cut.

if levy caves and pays out to him, walker bale modric vdv and every member of our starting 11 will want an increase.

With Levy as chairman I don't think you have to worry about us paying out extorntionate wages to anyone.

 

[Clamour_Kid]

With Levy as chairman I don't think you have to worry about us paying out extorntionate wages to anyone.

Agreed, but I would temper that with - Levy knows how to make someone feel that his £90k per week is in fact £185k per week.

There are signing on fees, bonuses, commercial deals etc etc. Levy is a clever man. Have faith.

ILWT

 

[SpurSince57]

Do any of us actually know how clued up Levy is or isn't. I would have said Levy has displayed good footballing nous - certainly better than most football chairman. He seems to have been acting as our director of football for the last 4 years in much the same way Dein did at Arsenal and making a pretty good job of it.

I honestly don't know how much footballing nous he has, but I'd be hard pushed to come up with too many chairman I'd think have displayed more.

A good question for JJ maybe ?

I think he's pretty good, but I can't see him pulling a rabbit out of the hat like Dein did with Wenger.

 

[Berglad]

Atlanta Yid on COYS (the guy who's friends with Joe Lewis' lawyer):

[AVB] Will be named coach on July 1st
The reason he has not signed yet is contract agreements with Chelski
Done and Dusted Know lets gets some players in

 

[King of Otters]

So......JJ likes 'big birds'? Each to his own I guess but I've never seen the attraction myself.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

So......JJ likes 'big birds'? Each to his own I guess but I've never seen the attraction myself.

He likes big butts and he cannot lie...

 

[Clamour_Kid]

Atlanta Yid on COYS (the guy who's friends with Joe Lewis' lawyer):

[AVB] Will be named coach on July 1st
The reason he has not signed yet is contract agreements with Chelski
Done and Dusted Know lets gets some players in

Sounds good. And if it is a 1st of July thing, it obviously as stated, ties in with the Chelski agreements and also allows maximum press exposure (after the Euros) to not only deliver the new manager, but 2 (possibly 3) new signings.

Levy, I feel, wants to make a big statement.

 

[King of Otters]

AVB eh? What are the chances of Moutinho coming to replace The Mod? Struggle to think of a more suitable like for like replacement.

 

[Riandor]

Atlanta Yid on COYS (the guy who's friends with Joe Lewis' lawyer):

[AVB] Will be named coach on July 1st
The reason he has not signed yet is contract agreements with Chelski
Done and Dusted Know lets gets some players in

Sigh... guess I should stop banging the "I still reckon it's not AVB" drum and join the clan.
Err... welcome AVB unofficially and good luck.

R.

 

[Clamour_Kid]

He likes big butts and he cannot lie...

First it was Hugo Lloris. Now it's Hans Jorg Butt? I wish he would make his mind up!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

So I expect soon, we will start to get the chronic complainers who spam about spam. Seeing as I was bitch slapped for asking people not to talk about a game, and accepted my admonishment, I no longer care what people post here. That's the mods job and if they see fit, they will stop tangents.

So I will bet 100 pounds we can't go 24 hours without somebody spamming about spam. Last night it got pretty bad and mean-spirited. By 9:45 EST tomorrow if there is not one piece of "shut up"ery, I will promptly pay Rob. But if there is (and that angry/bitter retort you're about to post counts), I am spending it on nipple botox. Also, if you post a similar bet about no spam within the 24 hours, I won't pay. But I would accept that bet after 9:30 tomorrow if anybody will back it up with real cash. That obviously doesn't count for mods. And mods, Rob approved this.

The point of this exercise is to stop the incessant bleating about how to police this thread when the Mods do a fucking fantastic job as it is. When Ever [sic] or A&C speak, all things stop. When non mods speak, it just starts flame wars. No good for anybody here.

So remember, Rob has to move the server and that costs money. And 100 pounds goes a long way.

Top geezer

 

[King of Otters]

He likes big butts and he cannot lie...

'big butts' are fine by me. but 'big birds'? hell no!

 

[HappySpur]

FinchleySpur at SO (12k posts, not ITK that I know of)

Will let mods decide if it is RO worthy

Just a bit of info for you.

All that about the players being devestated was bollocks. Most of them are happy that Harry has gone. He was often moody in training, when he was there. Was often missing during the England stuff. When he takes a dislike to someone, he doesn't speak to them. (stuff anyone could have Put together really)

The players are convinced that AVB will be the one, but they know nothing more than everyone else.
Some are a bit nervous about him, but absolutely willing to give anyone a real go.

Sorry I can't say where I got this from, but it came via a player through someone I KNOW doesn't BS.