The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 27 August 2010

[Mullers]

If I may be obtuse for a moment people ask why would Sevilla turn down millions of pounds for a player who can sign a pre contract in five months and walk for a free at the end of the season However, would I be out of order to ask why pay millions of pounds for this player? why not wait and get him on a free at the end ofthe season?

I don't think he would come to us on a free to be honest, I can imagine a number of top European clubs being interested if he was on a free.

 

[chrissivad]

Seeling Keane for so little would be a disgrace. OK, so he has struggled the past few seasons, but he has shown in the past just how skiolled he can be, To not make a decent retrun on him would me very dissapointed.

That said, I can't see DL accepting such a small sum unless he's forced to clear him off the wage bill before the "Klinsmann" comes in.

it was said a day or two ago that we have alrealy broken even on Keane with his transfers. Anything we make on him (what we sell him for) will be a profit

 

[ziggy]

This mighty forward...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Fletcher_(footballer)

£6.5m for him apparently. That should put Keane at £10m at least I reckon.

Yup, even allowing for age I'd agree

 

[adiepf]

for everyones info its interesting that the club have chosen to cut out all talk of fabiano from todays pre match interview(screened earlier on sky) from there spurs tv video...

perhaps they dont want to be accused of telling fibs or misleading fans??

 

[Mullers]

This mighty forward...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Fletcher_(footballer)

£6.5m for him apparently. That should put Keane at £10m at least I reckon.

No, I think you had it right first time, he's worth at least double that.

 

[adiepf]

for everyones info its interesting that the club have chosen to cut out all talk of fabiano from todays pre match interview(screened earlier on sky) from there spurs tv video...

perhaps they dont want to be accused of telling fibs or misleading fans??

*keane also

 

[talkshowhost86]

it was said a day or two ago that we have alrealy broken even on Keane with his transfers. Anything we make on him (what we sell him for) will be a profit

That's not really the point though is it? We shouldn't be saying 'well we've done well with his transfers before so we'll take whatever we can get'.

Whatever people say about Keane he is a striker with 100+ premiership goals who still has at least 3-4 years left in him, and based on his pre-season form he certainly isn't a poor player.

I'd be upset if we didn't get 10m for him.

 

[Rackybear]

This mighty forward...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Fletcher_(footballer)

£6.5m for him apparently. That should put Keane at £10m at least I reckon.

Tbh, wolves paying 6.5 Mill for this random doesnt make keane worth £10 million. Thats just wolves being shoddy in the transfer market and clearly playing over the odds for a player (or the selling club had a levy'esque chairmen).

The same way you can say "if steven fletcher is worth 6.5, keane is worth 10" you can say if XYZ who man city have signed for £25 mill keane is worth £15!

Keanes real martket value, given his age and years left as a potent and useful striker, id say about £6-8 million would be about right.

No-one is going to buy keane off us for £10 million.

 

[PhilosoSPUR]

Yeah, just because Keane isn't getting along here, doesn't mean he's not a good striker. If some team wants to make him their main man, which is what he wants to be, then let them pay that kind of fee...

 

[Rackybear]

He really isnt worth £10 million though.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Tbh, wolves paying 6.5 Mill for this random doesnt make keane worth £10 million. Thats just wolves being shoddy in the transfer market and clearly playing over the odds for a player (or the selling club had a levy'esque chairmen).

The same way you can say "if steven fletcher is worth 6.5, keane is worth 10" you can say if XYZ who man city have signed for £25 mill keane is worth £15!

Keanes real martket value, given his age and years left as a potent and useful striker, id say about £6-8 million would be about right.

No-one is going to buy keane off us for £10 million.

Obviously it doesn't work as simply as I'm making out and when we sell Keane we won't be using Fletcher's sale as a barometer of his value.

My point was that the prices for strikers are high, so much so that someone who has never scored goals at the highest level can cost 6.5m.

Keane is proven at this level...more than proven in fact and he also brings leadership qualities that will be important for any club.

He's far from finished and has lots of goals left in him. He showed against Young Boys that he still has the touch that has made him such a great player in the past and I think we'd be foolish to lose that for less than £10m.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Wow! Just got home from work to an explosion of ITK! 7 pieces to pore over!!!

I'm liking what I read. If it all pans out this could be the greatest summer of the past 15-20 years! Stunning!

 

[chrissivad]

That's not really the point though is it? We shouldn't be saying 'well we've done well with his transfers before so we'll take whatever we can get'.

Whatever people say about Keane he is a striker with 100+ premiership goals who still has at least 3-4 years left in him, and based on his pre-season form he certainly isn't a poor player.

I'd be upset if we didn't get 10m for him.

not what i said though.

Azrael siad:To not make a decent retrun on him would me very dissapointed.

all i stated is that anything me get for Keane is a profit, as has been stated by someone else (forgot who)

Never said we should just accept any offer for him. I can see us getting 8-10m for him easy. Levy could probably get a few more million if he wanted

 

[PhilosoSPUR]

Tbh, wolves paying 6.5 Mill for this random doesnt make keane worth £10 million. Thats just wolves being shoddy in the transfer market and clearly playing over the odds for a player (or the selling club had a levy'esque chairmen).

The same way you can say "if steven fletcher is worth 6.5, keane is worth 10" you can say if XYZ who man city have signed for £25 mill keane is worth £15!

Keanes real martket value, given his age and years left as a potent and useful striker, id say about £6-8 million would be about right.

No-one is going to buy keane off us for £10 million.

That's a pretty low valuation, but it did give me the idea that we should sell him to City. Given the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" logic, City is another one of his boyhood clubs.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Thanks to Liverpool we can feel more than ok about selling Keane for £6m... no one was gonna pay £20m again!!!

Do agree with talkshowhost though, he's spot on. Keane, perhaps, should be worth nearer £8m or £9m this summer but it's not the end of the world if we don't get it.

 

[Mullers]

Actually, I don't see why we should sell him at all if Fabiano is cup tied. Also I don't think Fabiano is a massive improvement over Keane anyway. People are way to quick say Keane is finished, he had a bad time at Liverpool because of Benitez, he scored some vital goals when he came back, did well for a number of games with Defoe and then lost form, its only really been half a season where he's lost form.

Defoe hasn't being great, champions league goal aside.

 

[Rackybear]

Obviously it doesn't work as simply as I'm making out and when we sell Keane we won't be using Fletcher's sale as a barometer of his value.

My point was that the prices for strikers are high, so much so that someone who has never scored goals at the highest level can cost 6.5m.

Keane is proven at this level...more than proven in fact and he also brings leadership qualities that will be important for any club.

He's far from finished and has lots of goals left in him. He showed against Young Boys that he still has the touch that has made him such a great player in the past and I think we'd be foolish to lose that for less than £10m.

Fair enough, I see where you are coming from.

But my opinion is that, whilst Keane has proved what a capable player he is, thats all in the past - we saw a glimpse that he still has it against YB yes, but since that dreadful decision to move to Liverpool - he has never really looked the same player (a player that maybe yes would be worth £10 million now).

Now you may argue he has not had the same game time to re-gain that form, but why is that? Does he lack the motivation in training these days? Has he turned into an emotional wreck that isnt as positive influence on the dressing room as has been made out in the media at times?

Its anyone's guess, but Harry hasnt been playing him for a reason - whilst we need to remember Harry also bought him back to the club, so obviously rated him.

He did well in the SPL, but thats not the EPL.

So for a premiership club wanting to snap him up, I think £8 mill being the upper limit is probably right. Am not surprised then, that if true, spurs have accepted a bid of £6 mill.

 

[PhilosoSPUR]

Actually, I don't see why we should sell him at all if Fabiano is cup tied. Also I don't think Fabiano is a massive improvement over Keane anyway. People are way to quick say Keane is finished, he had a bad time at Liverpool because of Benitez, he scored some vital goals when he came back, did well for a number of games with Defoe and then lost form, its only really been half a season where he's lost form.

Defoe hasn't being great, champions league goal aside.

Keane is a good player, but he's not that good for us at the moment.

Same logic last season when we brought in Eidur--he did a job for us without the distraction that, unfortunately, Keane now brings to the team.

 

[lol]

the difference is we want to get rid of him..and not that they are really into him..they will only take him if its a good deal for them..

 

[Rackybear]

Mullers agree with you in that sense. Keane has wanted to play CL football for so long, and has spent so much time at spurs trying to achieve just that, came so close under BMJ.

I think its a bit of a travesty that we are getting rid the one season we do qualify, if he does indeed leave. That's a bitter pill to swallow from keane's pov. He deserves a CL outing for spurs.