The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28 August 2011

[stevenurse]

jj are you joking? please tell me your joking, you better fucking be joking...

only joking

 

[JJetset]

jj are you joking? please tell me your joking, you better fucking be joking...

only joking

I wish i was......sigh

Hopefully we will be all ok by Wednesday but you reap what you sow in the transfer window.

As a few thousand others may have said... we need or needed to shift outgoing players and that is what is/has hurt us.

 

[stevenurse]

so the fellow itk's saying about something big happening etc are wishing rather than knowing explicitly that we will all be ecstatic? peaks and troughs with this window eh....

 

[JJetset]

so the fellow itk's saying about something big happening etc are wishing rather than knowing explicitly that we will all be ecstatic? peaks and troughs with this window eh....

Sorry to be a dampener but yes.

there is 1 caveat though, as Daniel does do deals wthout anyone knowing so he may have 1 up his sleeve that nobody knows about! The only thing i will say about that is how do the ITK's know about it ?

In other words its bollocks unless its a publicity stunt ala January when he went around Spain with a barrow of cash on the last day......

 

[Spurger King]

I wish i was......sigh

Hopefully we will be all ok by Wednesday but you reap what you sow in the transfer window.

As a few thousand others may have said... we need or needed to shift outgoing players and that is what is/has hurt us.

Bloody brinksmanship. I can understand Levy being reluctant to speculate to accumulate, considering what happened with Bentley and Pav, but now is the right time to be pushing on (well....last summer was the right time..but anyway...).

So Bellamy is looking likely? I wouldn't mind him really. I think he'd be fired up and more than capable of doing a job for us. Just hope we can get either Diarra or Parker in now.

It's not going to happen though is it :-|

 

[beats1]

I wish i was......sigh

Hopefully we will be all ok by Wednesday but you reap what you sow in the transfer window.

As a few thousand others may have said... we need or needed to shift outgoing players and that is what is/has hurt us.

Which imo has created a gap between us and our rivals, even liverpool imo look like a team than us we seem to have far many injury prone players, which disrupt our team imo

 

[beats1]

Bloody brinksmanship. I can understand Levy being reluctant to speculate to accumulate, considering what happened with Bentley and Pav, but now is the right time to be pushing on (well....last summer was the right time..but anyway...).

So Bellamy is looking likely? I wouldn't mind him really. I think he'd be fired up and more than capable of doing a job for us. Just hope we can get either Diarra or Parker in now.

It's not going to happen though is it :-|

TBH i rather play townsend both had the same sort of impact in the championship and townsend wouldn't have to be registered

 

[JJetset]

Which imo has created a gap between us and our rivals, even liverpool imo look like a team than us we seem to have far many injury prone players, which disrupt our team imo

Sometimes you have to take at hit on your assets. They have depreciated to the point of nearlt being worthless(bentley) and yet we are still trying to get top money for them. It has cost us. Currently about 8 of our players are being requested by other clubs and i bet only 2 of them go anywhere maybe 3. Pal, Gio, Hutt.

 

[Spurger King]

TBH i rather play townsend both had the same sort of impact in the championship and townsend wouldn't have to be registered

If Bellamy is free then why not. He's an extremely talented player, and I reckon he'd do wonders in a team like ours.

I wouldn't judge him too much on what he did for Cardiff either. He was surrounded by average players, and playing in a very difficult division as far as creative players are concerned.

 

[gibbospurs]

Sometimes you have to take at hit on your assets. They have depreciated to the point of nearlt being worthless(bentley) and yet we are still trying to get top money for them. It has cost us. Currently about 8 of our players are being requested by other clubs and i bet only 2 of them go anywhere maybe 3. Pal, Gio, Hutt.

well lets hope ade has a blinding season then cus i cant see us getting 4th again without it.

 

[mw828]

If Bellamy is free then why not. He's an extremely talented player, and I reckon he'd do wonders in a team like ours.

I wouldn't judge him too much on what he did for Cardiff either. He was surrounded by average players, and playing in a very difficult division as far as creative players are concerned.

My problem with Bellamy is that people seem to have this view, but its mostly based on the Bellamy of years ago. A couple of years makes a big difference at his age. His quality is going nowhere but down, and if he lost any more of his precious few brain cells then we are in real trouble.

 

[Spurger King]

My problem with Bellamy is that people seem to have this view, but its mostly based on the Bellamy of years ago. A couple of years makes a big difference at his age. His quality is going nowhere but down, and if he lost any more of his precious few brain cells then we are in real trouble.

He actually seems like a very intelligent person. That can make a big difference on the pitch.

I see what you're saying though. His best years are behind him, and there is a chance he will be unable to cope with the pace of the premiership again. But if he's on a free transfer, he's worth it in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong. Bellamy is not high on my 'want' list, but right now we need new faces in the team to shake some spirit into the side, and that mad Welsh bastard might just be able to do it.

 

[JJetset]

If Bellamy is free then why not. He's an extremely talented player, and I reckon he'd do wonders in a team like ours.

I wouldn't judge him too much on what he did for Cardiff either. He was surrounded by average players, and playing in a very difficult division as far as creative players are concerned.

If we are getting him cheap and he improves us more than Pav JD or Crouch i would go for him.
D day tomorrow on what we do with signings and Harry is absolutely off his head about the lack of transfer activity both ways.
Once you know or undertsand how the club runs' I for one cant blame him at all as he is not allowed to do the deals. His plan for the future direction of the team has been completely undermined by the chairmans lack of dealings.
Yes he gets called a wheeler dealer and he has sent his previous club bankrupt but by not being active to date in the window it has cost us big time on many fronts.
That was my last comment before i say too much (if i havent already)!!

Cheers

 

[beats1]

Sometimes you have to take at hit on your assets. They have depreciated to the point of nearlt being worthless(bentley) and yet we are still trying to get top money for them. It has cost us. Currently about 8 of our players are being requested by other clubs and i bet only 2 of them go anywhere maybe 3. Pal, Gio, Hutt.

Agree completely if did our business first i feel we could of got better players in than waiting around for 6 million for a player who trains with youth players

If Bellamy is free then why not. He's an extremely talented player, and I reckon he'd do wonders in a team like ours.

I wouldn't judge him too much on what he did for Cardiff either. He was surrounded by average players, and playing in a very difficult division as far as creative players are concerned.

I agree completely but when our players perform the same why not give them a chance rather than write them off, I would only take bellamy on a one year loan though

 

[Spurger King]

I appreciate you saying what you can JJetset. It sounds like Harry's hands are tied. Levy is obviously a businessman first and foremost, and has done brillantly for us in the past, but I get the feeling Harry and Levy are both as frustrated with each other, and this is creating hurdles that neither are willing to jump over.

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[beats1]

If we are getting him cheap and he improves us more than Pav JD or Crouch i would go for him.
D day tomorrow on what we do with signings and Harry is absolutely off his head about the lack of transfer activity both ways.
Once you know or undertsand how the club runs' I for one cant blame him at all as he is not allowed to do the deals. His plan for the future direction of the team has been completely undermined by the chairmans lack of dealings.
Yes he gets called a wheeler dealer and he has sent his previous club bankrupt but by not being active to date in the window it has cost us big time on many fronts.
That was my last comment before i say too much (if i havent already)!!

Cheers

I can't blame harry to be honest, he imo has had a clear list of players that would improve us and even rossi, imo he would of come if we acted clearer earlier in the window, if he was willing to go to juve(he's a die hard AC fan) I think we could of convinced him but with our lack of signings and bad press concerning transfers atm it is not showing future targets that we mean business

Liverpool imo haven't improved mush in terms of quality regarding the whole squad but yet they have shown a signal of intent by signing players and the players there feel like they are building for good future, whereas we are showing we are going to keep our best players against their will instead trying to win them over with our own ambitions for them and the club

 

[JJetset]

I appreciate you saying what you can JJetset. It sounds like Harry's hands are tied. Levy is obviously a businessman first and foremost, and has done brillantly for us in the past, but I get the feeling Harry and Levy are both as frustrated with each other, and this is creating hurdles that neither are willing to jump over.

Hope I'm wrong.

Harry is very frustrated and thats why he is always sounding off in the press which is totally unprofessional too.
If you look what Harry has delivered for the club with Champs league from where we were, you can understand his frustration when we dont invest in the squad. Yes he does want short term success but show me any other managers in the game that dont?!
Thing is people also say get Carlo in to replace Harry but Levy will never change, so initially he may get some money but over time it will be penny pinching again.

Sorry i was going wasnt I!!

 

[beats1]

I appreciate you saying what you can JJetset. It sounds like Harry's hands are tied. Levy is obviously a businessman first and foremost, and has done brillantly for us in the past, but I get the feeling Harry and Levy are both as frustrated with each other, and this is creating hurdles that neither are willing to jump over.

Hope I'm wrong.

Agreed but I see bigger problem occurring with the next manager imo, if it is ancelotti, how is he going to convince levy we need those specific players, because with harry you know he would give back as much as he gets, whereas with ancelotti he may just be told no and end off, he has been known for doing as the owner says

 

[South_GA_Yid]

Bellamy, Parker, and Diarra along with what we have gotten already would suit me fine, maybe another youngster or two. We need to piss fire on the pitch, and these are the types of players that will do just that. Cheers, JJ.

 

[beats1]

Harry is very frustrated and thats why he is always sounding off in the press which is totally unprofessional too.
If you look what Harry has delivered for the club with Champs league from where we were, you can understand his frustration when we dont invest in the squad. Yes he does want short term success but show me any other managers in the game that dont?!
Thing is people also say get Carlo in to replace Harry but Levy will never change, so initially he may get some money but over time it will be penny pinching again.

Sorry i was going wasnt I!!

That may be a reason why we may never be a top club because all the clubs are still investing, barcelona are regarded as the best club in the world and they just spent 70 million euros

I think Levy is going to be happy when FFP but if in this window we do not make any big signings and then release the financial report and takes dividends, i will be fuming