The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th August 2012

[thinktank]

I wouldn't just give this a neg - that's not the type of thing I tend to do. Sorry I don't agree with this at all - your perception, that's all. All sorts of circumstances can change players values surely - length of contracts, perceived value, type of selling club etc? Even disposable funds we have as a club. I would actually suggest that you probably have a lot to learn about footballers values and that DL probably knows a little more about this than yourself?

These figures you've suggested are just are plucked out of the so called ITK we are receiving. Yet we are told we've bid in the past for attackers and midfielders who have been vastly more expensive. Yet the wages or circumstances have been wrong.

The thing that gets me is if these players are available for this price, then why are people not buying them? My take on it is because they are overpriced in the first place. We keep hearing of players moving for 6/8/10m Euros and say why didn't we buy this or that player?

I fully expect the club to purchase the right players. But we need to do so at the right price for the club.

I wouldn't just give this a neg - that's not the type of thing I tend to do. Sorry I don't agree with this at all - your perception, that's all. All sorts of circumstances can change players values surely - length of contracts, perceived value, type of selling club etc? Even disposable funds we have as a club. I would actually suggest that you probably have a lot to learn about footballers values and that DL probably knows a little more about this than yourself?

These figures you've suggested are just are plucked out of the so called ITK we are receiving. Yet we are told we've bid in the past for attackers and midfielders who have been vastly more expensive. Yet the wages or circumstances have been wrong.

The thing that gets me is if these players are available for this price, then why are people not buying them? My take on it is because they are overpriced in the first place. We keep hearing of players moving for 6/8/10m Euros and say why didn't we buy this or that player?

I fully expect the club to purchase the right players. But we need to do so at the right price for the club.

Sometimes in certain markets you just have to pay over the odds for the goods you need. There are a couple players that are over priced, yeah, but if we got them they would light up our team and likely pay for themselves over time. Levy is just too risk sensitive sometimes.

 

[brasil_spur]

Yeah, he probably has no clue at all.

It's probably nothing to do with not having the funds to do that.

You know only four Premier League clubs have ever spent over £18m on one player? Guess which ones they are.

Aston Villa is one of them, that's for sure.

But yeh you're right, fancy us trying to compete when it comes to signing players, we should just stick it out in the top 6-8 league spots.

 

[Gbspurs]

Presumably you've forgotten what the word "over" means. (£18m that could rise to £24m)

Ha semantics!

 

[Stoof]

Aston Villa is one of them, that's for sure.

But yeh you're right, fancy us trying to compete when it comes to signing players, we should just stick it out in the top 6-8 league spots.

Oh God, please don't miss the point (again).

Villa haven't technically spent over £18m. They could in the future, but haven't triggered anything yet. And you don't reckon that had anything to do with the fact that City conveniently gave them £26 MILLION for James Milner. Bloody hell!!!!

Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City are the clubs.

THEY ALL HAVE MONEY.

Gah! GAH! GAH!!

 

[brasil_spur]

I wouldn't just give this a neg - that's not the type of thing I tend to do. Sorry I don't agree with this at all - your perception, that's all. All sorts of circumstances can change players values surely - length of contracts, perceived value, type of selling club etc? Even disposable funds we have as a club. I would actually suggest that you probably have a lot to learn about footballers values and that DL probably knows a little more about this than yourself?

These figures you've suggested are just are plucked out of the so called ITK we are receiving. Yet we are told we've bid in the past for attackers and midfielders who have been vastly more expensive. Yet the wages or circumstances have been wrong.

The thing that gets me is if these players are available for this price, then why are people not buying them? My take on it is because they are overpriced in the first place. We keep hearing of players moving for 6/8/10m Euros and say why didn't we buy this or that player?

I fully expect the club to purchase the right players. But we need to do so at the right price for the club.

That's usually fine, but then the only proper striker we've signed in over 3 years is Adebayor. We need to spend some money and we've sold enough that the funds should be there.

I respect Levy a lot for what he does for the club, but you just have to look at our total spend on strikers, or the highest fee we've ever paid for a striker to see that Levy has a real problem when it comes to sanctioning a high transfer fee for a striker.

Unfortunately though all good strikers come with high prices, Ade being the exception to this rule.

If you fully expect the club to purchase the right striker then you clearly haven't seen our transfer activity for the previous 5 windows.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The key statistic there is half-time
He seems to forget the game is 90 minutes not 45; hence why he burns himself out and is normally subbed by 60th or fades from the game.

But yeah he appears lethargic but he does get around the pitch, more so attempting to find the ball as opposed to defending though!

I think he does his share of defending but he also regularly saw more ball than anyone in our side (including Modric sometimes), which is no mean feat. That is a vital component, not to mention he'll score about 15 a season and weigh in with more assists than Lennon.

 

[thinktank]

AVB must be asking himself what the hell he's gotten himself into

 

[Lilbaz]

Ha semantics!

This is a family forum anti semantics won't be allowed.

 

[brasil_spur]

Oh God, please don't miss the point (again).

Villa haven't technically spent over £18m. They could in the future, but haven't triggered anything yet. And you don't reckon that had anything to do with the fact that City conveniently gave them £26 MILLION for James Milner. Bloody hell!!!!

Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City are the clubs.

THEY ALL HAVE MONEY.

Gah! GAH! GAH!!

We just conveniently got £33m for Modric - if we spend two third's of that fee on a new striker before Saturday then i'll be a happy bunny.

And i haven't missed the point at all, my point is that if we want to be a top 4 team then sometimes we will have to spend akin to the teams you've mentioned above.

 

[mil1lion]

11pm No point in tuning into SSN until 10.50pm

We've already made this weeks signings but they wont be announced until this time.

 

[Stoof]

Ha semantics!

Yes, semantics. The very correct use of the word "over".

 

[Hoopspur]

Aston Villa is one of them, that's for sure.

But yeh you're right, fancy us trying to compete when it comes to signing players, we should just stick it out in the top 6-8 league spots.

As much as I don't like it I suggest we are probably following the gooners model for player values. I know, I know there will be the counter arguement about 'well look at them now'. But like it or not, I do know which club has been higher in the league for the latest number of years.

They have not gone out and really felt the need to spunk multi-millions on players. They have constantly bought 'good' medium priced players as opposed to super expensive ones. Whenever they have done that they have not been able to spend on super expensive and have taken a slight gamble and have consequently fallen on their faces.

 

[Greenspur]

Why waste 9 mins? 10.59pm should be about right

Do you keep watching until 1 or 2 in the morning, in case any late deals go through? I know I do. How stupid is that?

 

[Gbspurs]

Oh God, please don't miss the point (again).

Villa haven't technically spent over £18m. They could in the future, but haven't triggered anything yet. And you don't reckon that had anything to do with the fact that City conveniently gave them £26 MILLION for James Milner. Bloody hell!!!!

Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City are the clubs.

THEY ALL HAVE MONEY.

Gah! GAH! GAH!!

So what your saying is that villa got big money for a player and broke their club record, and we have just got big money so we are also going to break our club record. It's all so clear now! Exciting times!!

 

[ShelfSide18]

I think he does his share of defending but he also regularly saw more ball than anyone in our side (including Modric sometimes), which is no mean feat. That is a vital component, not to mention he'll score about 15 a season and weigh in with more assists than Lennon.

My mate described his work off the ball as 'headless chicken pressing', which I thought was apt under Redknapp, as VDV seemed more than willing to work off the ball, but he'd just close down whoever he fancied at any given time, I hope AVB reins this in as part of a coherent pressing unit.

He might not have the greatest engine known to man, but my god when he went off the other day our ability to hold the ball faded and the other players were forced to work without the ball for longer, and they got sloppy. Even if he is on his knees he will help us keep the ball better and for longer later on in games, it's a 2 way process. Keep ball and you don't need to be pressing the ball for long periods, that's the key, and now Luka is gone we need Rafa more than ever for us to retain possession if we're going to be playing a high intensity pressing game.

 

[mil1lion]

Does it strike anyone else as odd that we are apparently willing to pay without demur the fourth-highest fee ever for a keeper yet put in a derisory offer for Willan?

Maybe it's based on the length of contract. Isn't Willian close to the end of his for example?

 

[mil1lion]

Aston Villa is one of them, that's for sure.

But yeh you're right, fancy us trying to compete when it comes to signing players, we should just stick it out in the top 6-8 league spots.

We finished 4th last season, 5th before that, 4th before that. What are you on about?

 

[WHLpoetry]

Im surprised that more people on here don't rate Dembele as a signing. I think he'll be brilliant for us (touch wood) and realistically the best replacement for Modders in terms of both cost and position. He's plays very like Modric, if not quite as good obviously, in terms of creating and absolutely carries Fulham, along with Dempsey.

Anyways, Dembele, Willian and a striker and I will be absolutely chuffed.

 

[Stoof]

We just conveniently got £33m for Modric - if we spend two third's of that fee on a new striker before Saturday then i'll be a happy bunny.

And i haven't missed the point at all, my point is that if we want to be a top 4 team then sometimes we will have to spend akin to the teams you've mentioned above.

Now we have the money, then maybe. But it could be deployed amongst three others. The problem I have is that you're going on like you know more than Levy about the state of the football market.

You don't, mate. Sorry.

I reckon he who possesses all the facts, figures and runs the business knows a bit more about our capabilities which is the hamstringing factor in spending that sort of cash in one lump.

He has, after all, made a loss on Pavlyuchenko; Bassong; will make a massive loss on Bentley (if he ever goes!) ... etc. (No profit on selling Corluka).

There's some very creative accounting that goes on on Spurs Community. Conveniently forgetting original outlays for players vs. income. Yes we remember the Kranjcar and Pienaar sales because they're at a profit. But I reckon Mr Levy and whichever one of the Big Four do our accounts are in a slightly better position.

That's the problem I have with the "Oooh, Levy obviously hasn't learnt about values in the transfer market" stance that some have on here.

 

[Mullers]

I'd be interested to know what value puts on Moutinho, I think porto's value of 25 million is fair. If reports are to be believed we offered 20 million for LD so money is there.