The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th August 2021

[DiVaio]

This is my main issue. We've had years of seeing how shit they both are, how badly they cost us in key moments, yet a couple of ok performances and suddenly they're reborn?

No. They're not good enough. Neither is Winks.

Poch was good manager - Davinson was good, Dier was good until have major fitness issues and Winks was ok.
Mourinho wasn't good manager for us - three of them weren't in good form.
Now looks like Nuno will be good manager for us - Sanchez is looking very good, Dier and Winks are ok.

And at least 2 of them will be backup, nothing else.

 

[Dean]

-Kept Kane
-Replaced Alderweireld with Romero
-Managed to swap Lamela for a highly rated youngster in Gil
-Signed another highly rated kid in Pape Sarr
-About to replace Aurier with a superior player in Emerson
-Could still sign another forward in the next 24 hours

Great transfer window - club with a plan.

That is a Gooner's take on our window so far on Arsemania. They've spent £130m and are in meltdown over their window.

You could add the fact we got money for Sissoko, signed Son to a longer contract and have brought Lloris' replacement. All in one window. And it hasn't closed yet.

Bloody well said.

 

[malin]

This is my main issue. We've had years of seeing how shit they both are, how badly they cost us in key moments, yet a couple of ok performances and suddenly they're reborn?

No. They're not good enough. Neither is Winks.

Is it not possible that the new boss has had a good look at Sanchez and/or Dier in training, pre-season and the first few games and likes what he sees? It also seems likely that he agrees with the fans on Winks.

 

[TheHodFather]

This is my main issue. We've had years of seeing how shit they both are, how badly they cost us in key moments, yet a couple of ok performances and suddenly they're reborn?

No. They're not good enough. Neither is Winks.

Agree people might be getting a bit ahead of themselves with Dier and Sanchez. City don't have a top class striker - that's literally the reason why they wanted Kane. Against Wolves they were up against Jiminez - a player coming back from a horrific injury who may very well never be the same again, and against Watford they were up against Josh King.

I'll hold my judgment on their resurgence until they've faced a few top-class strikers.

 

[Stamford]

My main priority is another forward/creative option. If we get that done for me it's a very good window. If not then we've left ourselves short. Hope we get it done

 

[Azza1985]

If the club is trying to sign Traore and Wolves aren't willing to play along (which they have every right to do), then surely the club see an attacking position as a requirement for this season. If so then surely our one and only target isn't Traore, there must be someone we can help improve the squad or at least cover the goals scored from Vinny/bale.

 

[wrd]

Their fault. Sorry, it's such a load of bullshit. "Internet person told me we'd sign [X] and [Y] and now we haven't and I'm annoyed."

Why?

Take the information with a pinch of salt, especially as to expectations rather than a done deal. Surely the management procurement process taught everyone that if it wasn't obvious from the last 10 years - and wasn't explicitly set out in our forum guidelines.

No guarantees are given here. And the only person responsible for raising expectations is that individual.

I think there's a vast difference between disappointment and being annoyed, I'm talking about those expressing disappointment. I don't think people should be annoyed at our window, I think being annoyed is a step too far. So far we have done good business, I'm just saying I can understand disappointment if we don't push the boat out.

People are human, it's difficult not to get too excited when you're hearing positive things, personally I kept my feet on the ground which is why I think it's fair to say my posts have stayed level headed but I was hopeful from some of the noise and I do think it'll be a shame if (BIG IF, I'm still hopeful for final day of window) Emerson is the final bit of business we do but that'll be the extent of my disappointment.

I mean I've seen you in the last few weeks beg people to wait until final day and also using the ITK saying it'll be the final week of the window to justify that, I believe you even have a bet on with regards to a striker so surely you'll be a little disappointed yourself?

 

[Colonel Dax]

MELTDOWN?
Really?
Are you serious?

It is not about bringing money in before we can buy! It is about freeing up a space, then HG quota etc. I mentioned a long time ago, if Winks as an example went, we would bring one in. Our priority was defence. We bought in Romero, and now Emerson. Sanchez stayed, and looking reborn, same with Dier.

I'm glad we're sorting the defence. However by not replacing Bale and Vinicius, it seems to me we have weakened our attacking options slightly. I've heard the argument that those two were merely bit part players last season but they did contribute goals and eased the burden on our first choice strikers.

I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of it, or having a meltdown or anything like that. I'm just expressing concern that we are look a bit light with our forward options. It's great that Kane is staying and Son is committed but beyond those two there aren't many goals (or much creativity) from elsewhere.

Anyway thanks for the positivity Hercules. Hopefully we finish the window strongly.

 

[jpascavitz]

Thanks for all the ITK Trix and Herc, it's really appreciated.

I'm optimistic as well. Just hope a wing forward or striker comes in even on loan tomorrow. That way we have options in case of an injury. Even if it's not Traore, I feel we need some rotation there unless we think Scarlett can do the job.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

This is my main issue. We've had years of seeing how shit they both are, how badly they cost us in key moments, yet a couple of ok performances and suddenly they're reborn?

No. They're not good enough. Neither is Winks.

How many players were we happy to jettison before Poch arrived? Walker, Rose, Dembele maybe even Jan, they'd underperformed with a few managers. Then came along a coach who saw the potential anf moulded them into our best team in decades.
The jury has always been out for me on Sanchez, Dier, Bergwijn because they've played in shit teams under 2 disinterested coaches.
Monchi doesn't get much wrong and he wants Sanchez, I for one am happy to see how a few careers progress this year.

 

[Spurbanite]

For me, this is a good window, if only for the fact that Royal REJECTED Arse-nal in favor of Spurs.

 

[chrisd2k]

Poch was good manager - Davinson was good, Dier was good until have major fitness issues and Winks was ok.
Mourinho wasn't good manager for us - three of them weren't in good form.
Now looks like Nuno will be good manager for us - Sanchez is looking very good, Dier and Winks are ok.

And at least 2 of them will be backup, nothing else.

FFS enough of the it was all Jose's fault. What's the matter with people's memories?

 

[Darth Vega]

If Herc is right and it's Emerson plus one other (presumably a forward or a midfielder) then we've covered every major weakness in the squad barring one position, while also having shifted out Lamela, Alderweireld, Sissoko and hopefully Aurier.

Of the other players we wanted gone (Sanchez, Dier, Winks, Doherty), two of those have the unexpected backing of the manager, so it's not as if we've failed to shift the majority of the deadwood either.

Again, this is all on the assumption of us signing Emerson +1, but if we do it's been a very solid window.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

This is my main issue. We've had years of seeing how shit they both are, how badly they cost us in key moments, yet a couple of ok performances and suddenly they're reborn?

No. They're not good enough. Neither is Winks.

I’m not buying the Sanchez/ Dier renaissance either. I think this will catch up with us as the season unfolds. Romero has lots of potential, but he’ll need time, as will Bryan. Ndombele cannot be relied upon because he’s proven too often now to be unreliable and petulant. And, as you say, Winks just isn’t good enough; I don’t care how much he wants to stay and fight, he’s below the standard we need with a questionable character. We desperately need a creative midfielder and a forward. We’ve been told numerous times there’s some great bargains to be had in Spain, Italy and France; it would be underwhelming if we neglected those two positions in the current climate

 

[DiVaio]

FFS enough of the it was all Jose's fault. What's the matter with people's memories?

He definitely wasn't playing to their strengths. And suddenly they look much better.

 

[geordiespur]

Nice to see people are moving to the angry stage early this year. Acceptance will follow shortly.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Maybe I'm the only one not too worried about defence and attack, but cm worries me to death.

One injury to skipp/hoijberg and we are really in trouble. Winks not up to standard, sissoko gone, lo Celso is not a DM, ndombele can't be bothered. We were linked with pjanic early in the window and with a host of dms and I thought great, we know we need an extra man.

We have not replaced sissoko and have clearly been trying to get rid of winks. This could be disastrous imo.

 

[dannyo]

MELTDOWN?
Really?
Are you serious?

It is not about bringing money in before we can buy! It is about freeing up a space, then HG quota etc. I mentioned a long time ago, if Winks as an example went, we would bring one in. Our priority was defence. We bought in Romero, and now Emerson. Sanchez stayed, and looking reborn, same with Dier.

we bought in an exceptional attacking and creative talent in Bryan Gil. Kane stays! We try and try at the price Wolves wanted, and terms they wanted. We up our price, and they simply as things stand, don’t want to sell.

Thus far we have done exceptional business: Gollini, Romero, Emerson, Gil. Sarr (loaned back). Total (creative or not) Approximate=150m

yes! I know many will argue actual spend against etc, but still smart and sharp.

I expect at least one more aside from Emerson. We thought with Mendez we had Traoré nailed. But Wolves bottom of league, feel if they sell him now, they are as good as relegated. Relegation they loose out on near 150m.

If we signed an attacking right back, which it seems that Emerson is, I think we’d be addressing one of the most important positions in our team. I love Tanganga and he’s exceeded all expectations so far but his natural instincts are defensive and we desperately need attacking width while we’re so narrow, with Hojbjerg and Skipp protecting the defence. If we’re going to set up as we have been then good attacking fullbacks are a must, in my opinion.

I think the area of the team we’ve most neglected to fill, though, is that gaping void that Eriksen left (the proper version, before he checked out). We really need a CM whose first instinct is a forward pass, that can break stubborn teams down. It seems hugely unlikely now but if we could add that person too then it will be a great window. So far it’s been ok, especially with an eye to the future, but not amazing.

 

[easley91]

Hmm perhaps I'll come back and check on you lot Wednesday morning..

 

[Cavehillspur]

I picked the wrong manic Monday to stop sniffing glue.