The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 29th June 2015

[arunspurs]

In competitive industries, wages are often set based on what has been done in the past by the employee but also on potential that employee offers

Question is - is Bentaleb worth it ? I would say yes. He is the only Spurs youth player in years who has played in PL, without having played a single professional game in any other league (foreign or in UK). At 20, he is already a key player for his national team & also represented them in world cup.

We paid 70k a week for Holtby. With us selling him, I don't see why the same wages shouldn't go to Nabil.

 

[Lilbaz]

It depends on their contractual situation. I am sure Walker did expect a pay rise when he won young player of the year, especially if he was entering the last year of his contract and was in the midst of negotiating a new one.

Yes and he got one. As did Kane, as did Mason, as do all our young players if they do well. But they get paid what their ability demands not their potential. If we gave Walker £80k a week when he was 21 we'd be kicking ourselves now.

 

[CockOnBall]

It will be his agent doing the bargaining. Bentaleb just probably leaves him to it.

Players hiding behind their agents is such a cop out. Kane could be earning more elsewhere but he signed a new deal. If you want to sign, you instruct your agent to make it happen. If you don't, you hide behind your agent.

 

[bceej]

So...recent ITK.

Let's hope plan A is Kramer.

Bentaleb is trying to get some more cash.

Seems alright.

 

[mpickard2087]

Just because someone on high earnings is not in the team it does not mean everyone should be getting the same as him, Adebayor is on like 90k a week, does that mean the starting 11 should be getting 90k

You have opened that can of worms though in respect of setting a precedent for what you are willing to pay. Not everyone will ask for that amount, but the danger is some will if they have had a decent season or two and they are keeping a higher paid player out of the team.

"fairness" isnt a great argument either. those players were bought in and gambled on, and we lost. fortunately we had bentaleb step up and keep them out of the team as you said. however, that doesnt mean we need to make the same mistake like with capoue dembele etc and gamble on bentaleb and pay him "whats fair." we are in a position where he is already ours and from a risk standpoint are able to dictate what we pay him, rather than just gambling away 50-60k because thats what we would do for an "established" player.

besides didnt raheem sterling have a contract that would basically scale with his scale and age? an increase every so often and not just a set in stone amount for X years? seems like it would be a good fit for bentaleb and then if he pops off and becomes a world beater, we can pay him accordingly

See above. It doesn't matter if they were brought in or he came through the system. If he's in the team and people on three times as much as him aren't, and then he gets a lower offer by comparison I can see why they'd think 'hang on a minute' and ask a few questions. Once you set the bar as to what you are prepared to pay for that squad status/seniority, then its hard to lower it. It's human nature, some players will want parity.

 

[Lilbaz]

In competitive industries, wages are often set based on what has been done in the past by the employee but also on potential that employee offers

Question is - is Bentaleb worth it ? I would say yes. He is the only Spurs youth player in years who has played in PL, without having played a single professional game in any other league (foreign or in UK). At 20, he is already a key player for his national team & also represented them in world cup.

Lets remember - we paid 70k a week for Holtby. With us selling him, I don't see why the same wages shouldn't go to Nabil.

Because Holtby was a free agent. Nabil is under contract. We will sell Holtby and get our investment back. We can sell Nabil or keep hold of him till his contract runs out. We don't need to give him a payrise.

 

[poc]

I don't understand this line of thinking.

The money is in the sport, whether we like it or not. The money not going to the supporters. Ticket prices are not coming down. So, that leaves the owners and players to split it up. Players are just looking for their share, of an ever-increasing, slice of the pie.

80k mate no way is he at that level already I'm sorry no. Like I said give us a full season boss midfield against the big boys score 10 or so goals and yeah that's an 80k CM to a team like us. Man City and co may be able to pay that kind of money to players like him but not us imo. 40-50k is more than fair given the output stage in his career and where we are as a club.

 

[benoles]

It's human nature, some players will want parity.

oh i dont disagree with you, if i was a player i would want to paid as much as possible no matter what the situation, but im just saying, from a club standpoint, you have this great young player, you can regulate his wages with out taking too much of a gamble, like you would if you brought a capoue in who "automatically" gets the 50-60k range

 

[mill]

Go on meetlittlepeople.co.uk. Tell them you like short walks along the beach. Gets them every time.

Ok, only if I'm not gonna meet you on there?

 

[absolute bobbins]

Where did this Capoue on 60k schtick come from?

 

[bigpalacios]

80k, no mate.

 

[Qualsonic]

In competitive industries, wages are often set based on what has been done in the past by the employee but also on potential that employee offers

Question is - is Bentaleb worth it ? I would say yes. He is the only Spurs youth player in years who has played in PL, without having played a single professional game in any other league (foreign or in UK). At 20, he is already a key player for his national team & also represented them in world cup.

We paid 70k a week for Holtby. With us selling him, I don't see why the same wages shouldn't go to Nabil.

£70k a week for Holtby?!?!?
Are you sure?

 

[Drexl]

You have opened that can of worms though in respect of setting a precedent for what you are willing to pay. Not everyone will ask for that amount, but the danger is some will if they have had a decent season or two and they are keeping a higher paid player out of the team.



See above. It doesn't matter if they were brought in or he came through the system. If he's in the team and people on three times as much as him aren't, and then he gets a lower offer by comparison I can see why they'd think 'hang on a minute' and ask a few questions. Once you set the bar as to what you are prepared to pay for that squad status/seniority, then its hard to lower it. It's human nature, some players will want parity.

But that higher paid player is higher paid because he has been performing at a high level for some time, even if they are going through a slump, Bentaleb has 1 full season under his belt

 

[Mr Pink]

Take it to the Bentaleb thread, for the love of God lol.

 

[arunspurs]

Because Holtby was a free agent. Nabil is under contract. We will sell Holtby and get our investment back. We can sell Nabil or keep hold of him till his contract runs out. We don't need to give him a payrise.

Holtby was not free agent. We paid 1.5m to get him in Jan. We were ready to pay him 70k a week - unproven PL player , who has just started out his career.

I think difference is how you & I rate Bentaleb. I see him as potential become one of the best CMs in PL.

Btw, wonder if you will make the same argument that you are making for Kane ? - to run his contract out and keep hold of him. It won't work in today's market.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

£70k a week for Holtby?!?!?
Are you sure?

67k is the commonly assumed number. His transfer was almost free.

 

[arunspurs]

£70k a week for Holtby?!?!?
Are you sure?

Yes, am sure. Look it up in google "Lewis Holtby salary"

 

[Lilbaz]

Holtby was not free agent. We paid 1.5m to get him in Jan. We were ready to pay him 70k a week - unproven PL player , who has just started out his career.

I think difference is how you & I rate Bentaleb. I see him as potential become one of the best CMs in PL.

Btw, wonder if you will make the same argument that you are making for Kane ? - to run his contract out and keep hold of him. It won't work in today's market.

We signed Holtby as a free agent to join in June. We then changed our mind and paid £1.5m to have him released early. His wages reflected the fact that our negotiations were for him as a free agent.

 

[mpickard2087]

But that higher paid player is higher paid because he has been performing at a high level for some time, even if they are going through a slump, Bentaleb has 1 full season under his belt

That's not what him/agent will say though as their argument... They'll keep it simple, highlight the base figures and try to get as good a deal as possible.

It's who blinks first. Luckily for us probably not Levy.

Moral of the story is... Don't spend sizeable money on poor (be that ability, fit within the team, etc.) players and leave yourself at risk to something like this. We're still cleaning up the transfer mess in many ways!

 

[Qualsonic]

Yes, am sure. Look it up in google "Lewis Holtby salary"

It's ok, if you're sure that's enough for me.

He got himself a good deal though, didn't he!