The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 29th June 2015

[Carp]

The club should set a limit. £50-55k max!!!! If he's not happy, show him the door

Even if Capoue, Dembele and Paulinho earn more that that? I am not saying they do (did in the case of Paulinho), but if we offer him 50K and the others earn 60K, how would he accept that offer?

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Jasper Spurs Odyssey: RE: Arda Turan;

He wants to come to London and has family here is the talk. Is it a reality? I don't know.

Someone from Turkey that has family in Norf London? Doesn't sound particularly likely to me. I find it Arda to believe

 

[Joshua]

Jasper Spurs Odyssey: RE: Arda Turan;

He wants to come to London and has family here is the talk. Is it a reality? I don't know.

Can't see past it being Chelsea but Arda Turan would be huge for us

 

[Kalim]

If we replaced him with a proven player you mean. Something he isn't yet - he's had a season and a half, and has yet to find consistency.

Veljkovic, Alli, Carroll, Winks.... we have potentially more Bentalebs in stock; it's all about sending the right message. After all, would Mason then be entitled to £55k a week?

The 4 players you quote, combined with mason thrown in as well don't have Benteleb's level of experience, especially when you throw in his full International caps and World and African Nations cups experience.

 

[225]

There is a key vice-president spot open at your company. You apply for it, and through the interview process, you are hired for the position.

Do you ask for wages commensurate with the position, or with your age?

If you ask for wages based on your age and experience, then you are selling yourself short. Now it amy be that the company won't pay you the same as someone with 25 years of experience, but if they are not close, you should consider whether you accept that position. Because you will be doing the same work as the more experienced employee, and your employer found you more suitable for the job...

First of all, Bentaleb came out of the Academy only 18 months ago, and isn't negotiating a signing-on contract with a senior career behind him.

Secondly, you may have noticed that 99% of jobs have "pay dependant on experience"


To reverse the concept, how would you feel if you were a vice-president with 10 years experience in the position, then a graduate came into the company on equal wages with you having proved very little?

Any established new signing (for example, Schneiderlin, who can get in the national team Bentaleb can't) would come in saying "If that Bentaleb is on £70k, I'm not accepting any less than £100k".

 

[225]

The 4 players you quote, combined with mason thrown in as well don't have
Benteleb's level of experience, especially when you throw in his full International caps and World and African Nations cups experience.

Veljkovic just won the U20 World Cup. Bentaleb doesn't have that level of experience

Your point is moot, as Bentaleb had zero experience when he as brought in to replace the suspended £18m Brazilian Olympic Gold Medal winner who had just drop kicked Suarez in the belly.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

First of all, Bentaleb came out of the Academy only 18 months ago, and isn't negotiating a signing-on contract with a senior career behind him.

Secondly, you may have noticed that 99% of jobs have "pay dependant on experience"


To reverse the concept, how would you feel if you were a vice-president with 10 years experience in the position, then a graduate came into the company on equal wages with you having proved very little?

Any established new signing (for example, Schneiderlin, who can get in the national team Bentaleb can't) would come in saying "If that Bentaleb is on £70k, I'm not accepting any less than £100k".

Welcome to Levy's dilemma.

Ironically, if you believe the reports from ManUtd, Schneiderlin is asking/getting £100k.

 

[arunspurs]

First of all, Bentaleb came out of the Academy only 18 months ago, and isn't negotiating a signing-on contract with a senior career behind him.

Secondly, you may have noticed that 99% of jobs have "pay dependant on experience"


To reverse the concept, how would you feel if you were a vice-president with 10 years experience in the position, then a graduate came into the company on equal wages with you having proved very little?

Any established new signing (for example, Schneiderlin, who can get in the national team Bentaleb can't) would come in saying "If that Bentaleb is on £70k, I'm not accepting any less than £100k".

Thats absurd way of looking at Football.
No normal employment of yours will pay millions to your current employer to get you.

 

[Lilbaz]

The 4 players you quote, combined with mason thrown in as well don't have Benteleb's level of experience, especially when you throw in his full International caps and World and African Nations cups experience.

Think that's probably why he said "potentially".

 

[panoma]

If bentaleb dont sign a new deal it will be due to greed from him and especially his agent. Say what you want about levy, but he never lose players due to contract issues, and instead pay so much in wages that we struggle to find takers for our unwanted players.

A big issue is that nabil is represented by a small agency were he is by far their biggest asset. They obviously see this as their big chance for a big paycheck. If nabil keep improving im sure he will get several improved deals in the next couple of years.

If he hold the club hostage i hope the club simply remove him from the squad and let him run down his current deal on a probably small wage. This is harsh as it would pretty much end his career, but it would send a strong message to others.

 

[fronyl]

FFS, anyone bitching about him on here would do the exact same, I love the club but jesus christ of course i'd ask for the maximum! why the fuck would he just accept Levys offer without even trying for more? thats why its called contract negotiations!

if levy has offered like 40k and NB asked for 80 they will meet at 50 or 60! of course this is what the likes of Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby, Capoue etc would all be on and he has benched all of those so he's well within his rights, get a fucking grip acting as if you wouldn't do it too fuck me!

No, not every body would do that if they love the club. Fex Ole Solskjer at Utd. And Harry here. Why would you suck your club dry, when you would be more that happy playing for you favourite club? But this is the ITK trend, and this discussion belong elsewhere

 

[225]

Thats absurd way of looking at Football.
No normal employment of yours will pay millions to your current employer to get you.

No normal employment pays £45k a week. Will a normal employer offer a golden handshake to gain a new employee? Yes.
If you're referring to 'transfer fees', it would be against the Human Rights Act and Modern Slavery Act for an employer to demand a fee for you to leave to work for another employer.

If he suddenly deserves upwards of £50k with a season and a half's experience at 20, what would you expect us to pay him when he's 24? £200k?

 

[ryantegan]

Bentaleb s worth or Arda fucking Turan?

I know what direction I think this thread should be heading

Get the mad dog in to bulldoze Archway for a start

 

[SpartanSpur]

Arda Turan would be awesome, assuming he didn't start throwing his boots around. Even less likely than Schneiderlin though surely, on wages alone.

 

[Lilbaz]

Even Jasper doesn't sound like he believes it.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Bentaleb s worth or Arda fucking Turan?

I know what direction I think this thread should be heading

Get the mad dog in to bulldoze Archway for a start

Are you drunk by any chance?

 

[benski]

I'd give him £45k and say if you up your levels again next season let's talk about £55-60k. He's worth £15m at the moment might be more if he has another good season

 

[Xeeleeyid]

There is a key vice-president spot open at your company. You apply for it, and through the interview process, you are hired for the position.

Do you ask for wages commensurate with the position, or with your age?

If you ask for wages based on your age and experience, then you are selling yourself short. Now it amy be that the company won't pay you the same as someone with 25 years of experience, but if they are not close, you should consider whether you accept that position. Because you will be doing the same work as the more experienced employee, and your employer found you more suitable for the job...

Companies have salary bands.

If you are recruited into a higher band you'll start off at the bottom of that band.

You'll be on lower wages than everyone else who does that job as they've been doing it for a few years and have earnt performance related and inflationary pay rises.

You'd have to stay in that job for a few years and do well at it to get more.

That's how it works for pretty much every company and most public sector jobs too.

What ever role you're doing you'll be in a band.

Bentaleb is now in a band of first team central midfielders. But he's rightly at the bottom of that band as he's had one season as a first team central midfielder and this is his first contract to reflect that new status.

Of course the club are well within their rights to offer the bottom of that banding, he's still pretty unproven. Bentaleb is also within his rights to say he could earn more elsewhere. One of the best ways of getting a big pay rise is to move employers in any line of work.

Then it's down to how much do Spurs want to keep him. The answer to that is we want to keep him pretty badly so we will likely offer him quite above what we'd normally offer for someone of his experience just out of our academy. The problem is if Bentaleb wants more than the likes of Dembele, Mason, Eriksen and Lamela. If we give him more we'll obviously have a problem.

I suspect a compromise will be reached so people need to chill out.

 

[arunspurs]

Arda Turan is going to Chelsea. I can see it happening.

 

[Kalim]

Think that's probably why he said "potentially".

Fair point, but I don't think including Carroll, who is good three years older counts as potential any more.

 

[Breezer]

Even if Capoue, Dembele and Paulinho earn more that that? I am not saying they do (did in the case of Paulinho), but if we offer him 50K and the others earn 60K, how would he accept that offer?

But we're not talking about £60k. ITK said he's asking for wages that only a few top midfield players are earning. So you'd have to guess its between £80k-100k or even more. Absolutely no way does he deserve that sort of money. Not one of our midfield players earn over £55-60k so NB agent must be pulling figures out of his ass! He should put his head down. Prove himself again next season and add some goals to his game. Money will follow with great performances. Ask Mr Kane.