The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 30th August

[Dazzazzad]

What do you think the reaction would have been to us signing Richarlison this window? And that was a Richarlison who actually scored for Everton and looked a threat. If Richi is our Kane replacement/alternative, then it means we absolutely failed last year and we've also failed this year. There's no real way to sugar coat that we'll be 20-30 goals a season lighter than we were.

Well we scored 70 last season and (granted early doors) we're on pace for 76 this season.

You really think this team will only get 40-50 goals?

*edit - dunc posted before me*

 

[Trix]

I'm not going to say that it's not a good and valid point, because it is, but the way I'm looking at it that was last windows mistake. It is exactly why I'm worried we will make a bad/panicked transfer decision in the last couple of days because we'll be in this situation again next year.

My guesstimate would be as I've always expected one forward and one CB, if we can shift some first.

If we get those in and they are players we have scouted and identified early then I'd call that an adequate window without being spectacular. There are an awful lot of players being offered around right now by selling clubs and agents. We have a bit of cash on the hip and a willingness to bring a couple in which could be a blessing or more likely a disaster.

It's a wait and see scenario right now I'm afraid.

 

[rawhide]

My guesstimate would be as I've always expected one forward and one CB, if we can shift some first.

If we get those on and they are players we have scouted and identified early then I'd call that an adequate window without being spectacular. There are an awful lot of players being offered around right now by selling clubs and agents. We have a bit of cash on the hip and a willingness to bring a couple in which could be a blessing or more likely a disaster.

It's a wait and see scenario right now I'm afraid.

It’s this bit that smacks of having no coherent plan - or at least being happy to ignore the plan and to hell with the consequences.

 

[jolsnogross]

Rob I’ll donate £20 at the end of the season if we haven’t scored more league goals this season than last.

It'll be an interesting one. Will a better style of play without an elite goal scorer beat our 'goals for' playing dinoball with an elite finisher? Thanks fuck we had Harry the last few seasons anyway.

Last year's 70 goals was our highest tally in 5 seasons. And our worst finish. Going backwards from last season, our recent GF column has been 70, 69, 68, 61, 67, 74, 86, 69.

 

[deanostheyido]

Well we scored 70 last season and (granted early doors) we're on lace for 76 this season.

You really think this team will only get 40-50 goals?

*edit - dunc posted before me*

I think people are misinterpreting Rob a little here. Yes, we'll likely score more goals this season due to the system, but we'd likely score a lot more goals if we had Kane up front, rather than Richarlison. Don't think that's really up for debate.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Can w please have some positive itk

That's not how things work at this stage of the window, truth always comes out around now

 

[RuskyM]

Maddison and VDV have shown they’re top signings, and we’ve already got a new manager and relatively new players to fit in our first XI. People need to calm down.

 

[N17NBL]

Levy “I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”

There is a Little Boy joke in there somewhere

 

[Dazzazzad]

I think people are misinterpreting Rob a little here. Yes, we'll likely score more goals this season due to the system, but we'd likely score a lot more goals if we had Kane up front, rather than Richarlison. Don't think that's really up for debate.

But surely scoring more goals than last season when we already scored quite a lot is a positive, no?

And I would definitely agree Kane would have scored more than any striker that replaces him, I am unsure if the team would score more.

Maybe with Kane there we don't get as many late runs into the box (which is proving so beneficial so far) because everyone looks to feed him.

Let's leave it there or move to another thread

 

[Dannyspur]

Well we scored 70 last season and (granted early doors) we're on pace for 76 this season.

You really think this team will only get 40-50 goals?

*edit - dunc posted before me*

Letting in half as many this year would mitigate some of the loss of goals scored - we need to bolster the defence with another CB and hope that the creative players we have purchased over the last couple of years keep on creating and scoring chances.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

My guesstimate would be as I've always expected one forward and one CB, if we can shift some first.

If we get those on and they are players we have scouted and identified early then I'd call that an adequate window without being spectacular. There are an awful lot of players being offered around right now by selling clubs and agents. We have a bit of cash on the hip and a willingness to bring a couple in which could be a blessing or more likely a disaster.

It's a wait and see scenario right now I'm afraid.

Thanks Trix, sit on hands time now.

Forward and CB is the minimum we need and as you say would be an adequate window overall, anything less than that and big disappointment.

Fingers crossed for the next 48hrs.

 

[jurgen11]

Lukaka to Roma - thank fuck

 

[nicdic]

My guesstimate would be as I've always expected one forward and one CB, if we can shift some first.

If we get those on and they are players we have scouted and identified early then I'd call that an adequate window without being spectacular. There are an awful lot of players being offered around right now by selling clubs and agents. We have a bit of cash on the hip and a willingness to bring a couple in which could be a blessing or more likely a disaster.

It's a wait and see scenario right now I'm afraid.

Agree that we need a forward and (if the cb outs happen) another cb in, but I'm not sure that them having been scouted/identified necessarily has any impact on whether or not they are good signings. We all know that things can change a lot at the end of a window. Say an option we didn't believe would have been possible before, suddenly is today, but is a fantastic player/fit, are you saying that would be a bad deal because they weren't identified/scouted early?

 

[nicdic]

That said, I'm not necessarily sure cb and forward are our most pressing needs.

 

[spursfan77]

It’s this bit that smacks of having no coherent plan - or at least being happy to ignore the plan and to hell with the consequences.

He means in the market generally I assume. It is always the same at this point in the window. It is why it is best not to get carried away by every single report. Fati taught us that only 12 hours ago, surely?

 

[Scot-Spur]

That said, I'm not necessarily sure cb and forward are our most pressing needs.

A Cb most definitely is. I think we get by without a forward. CM is an issue as seen the other night.

I just hope we get the outs we need and some on permanents.

 

[spursintheblood]

It’s this bit that smacks of having no coherent plan - or at least being happy to ignore the plan and to hell with the consequences.

Surely the plan is to strengthen if we can? We're not dealing with inanimate objects, or NPCs. The number of variables around fees, agents, our club's needs, other club's needs is staggering. It's more asking to buying a house with a long chain, but for each permutation of player and position. Gazumping chain collapse and relying are part of it. But magnified.

Most of the ITK so far indicates the club's got the right ideas.

 

[dontcallme]

That said, I'm not necessarily sure cb and forward are our most pressing needs.

So what is? It’s not wing backs, keeper or midfielder.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Agree that we need a forward and (if the cb outs happen) another cb in, but I'm not sure that them having been scouted/identified necessarily has any impact on whether or not they are good signings. We all know that things can change a lot at the end of a window. Say an option we didn't believe would have been possible before, suddenly is today, but is a fantastic player/fit, are you saying that would be a bad deal because they weren't identified/scouted early?

I think the issue is a lack of consistency across the players we are being linked with.

Now obviously we have to take all of that with a pinch of salt, but it doesn't feel like we've got an idea on what type of players we want to bring in in key areas.

In particular upfront it feels like we really don't know if we want a wide player, a striker or some sort of hybrid.

Obviously if players that fit the plan come up in the last day of the window then whether we've looked at them for 30 days or 30 minutes shouldn't be the deciding factor.

But it would be nice if there was a plan in the first place. The ITK this window has suggested very much otherwise.

 

[nailsy]

It’s this bit that smacks of having no coherent plan - or at least being happy to ignore the plan and to hell with the consequences.

I thought the plan was to buy players of a certain profile rather than identifying specific targets?