The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 30th August

[13VanDerBale13]

Maddison and VDV have shown they’re top signings, and we’ve already got a new manager and relatively new players to fit in our first XI. People need to calm down.

There it is, the first sign of acceptance

 

[Trix]

It’s this bit that smacks of having no coherent plan - or at least being happy to ignore the plan and to hell with the consequences.

That's only 'if' that happens. We bring in Johnson and Tosin then it's players we've looked at and identified.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

That said, I'm not necessarily sure cb and forward are our most pressing needs.

we have VDV and Romero as our CB’s and then 3 others who ain’t suitable and are probably off. Its clearly our most pressing need as we are 1 injury/suspension away from a mess.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

That's only 'if' that happens. We bring in Johnson and Tosin then it's players we've looked at and identified.

I suppose the other far fetched opportunity could be players we'd identified but had parked because we either had got a firm no or hadn't pursued because we didn't think we'd get anywhere suddenly become available.
The way it sounds like we're doing recruitment in the first instance is to identify groups of players who fit a criteria and then go after the ones we think we can get?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

The window is not yet closed, so I’ll hold off on a final judgement until it’s actually over.

Big last day required. We cannot go into the next phase of the season with Sanchez, Dier or Tanganga as our immediate backup to Romero/VdV, that will be a huge failure.
Likewise the forward balance is all wrong, three players who prefer LWF, only one for RWF, suppose that’s where Johnson comes in, if he actually comes in.

ITK seem confident(ish) we’ll get a CB and a Forward. What concerns me is the silence around CB targets other than Adarabioyo, who allegedly doesn’t fancy us, all gone quiet on Tapsoba and Schurrs. Then there’s the wildly random approach to attacking targets so far. Orban, predominantly CF more than WF, but deemed too raw. Johnson, more of a RWF who can operate centrally, and has played in the league with moderate success, but really not a prolific CF by nature. Then Fati, who just seems such an opportunistic punt to grab a profile name (and oddly another who prefers LWF??), but ultimately turned out to not be available on the sort of deal that suited us, which I understand the reluctance to commit to, but should that not have been known earlier? There’s no consistency of type of target.

I still worry that Bissouma’s skillset is so unique, that without him available our ability to dictate the tempo and drive from the heart of midfield is lost. I do hope, and I may well be misinterpreting what Trix ha said here, but that ‘players being offered’ and having ‘cash on the hip’ means we may yet also add in other areas like CM too, especially if someone comes in for Hojbjerg.

 

[wrd]

Agree that we need a forward and (if the cb outs happen) another cb in, but I'm not sure that them having been scouted/identified necessarily has any impact on whether or not they are good signings. We all know that things can change a lot at the end of a window. Say an option we didn't believe would have been possible before, suddenly is today, but is a fantastic player/fit, are you saying that would be a bad deal because they weren't identified/scouted early?

I think it's not about whether the particular deal is a good/bad deal but rather that the process to arrive at it doesn't lend itself to repeat success, so it's not consistent and so for the bigger picture, it could mean that down the line, it doesn't yield results.

There's no guarantee's that a structured approach means a player is certain to be a success but having a process gives us the best chance of increasing probability of steps in the right direction, one after the other.

Whatever actions yielded VDV and Vicario is the way I think we should make signings.

 

[archiewasking]

Thanks for the information all. Hope the CB and striker come off. I'm 63 on Saturday, so those and 3 points will do very nicely for presents. I'm actually hopeful I'll get what I want!

 

[nicdic]

I think it's not about whether the particular deal is a good/bad deal but rather that the process to arrive at it doesn't lend itself to repeat success, so it's not consistent and so for the bigger picture, it could mean that down the line, it doesn't yield results.

There's no guarantee's that a structured approach means a player is certain to be a success but having a process gives us the best chance of increasing probability of steps in the right direction, one after the other.

Whatever actions yielded VDV and Vicario is the way I think we should make signings.

I broadly get that, but Bentancur and Kulusevski seemingly were options that cropped up and we were able to capitalise. Broadly speaking if we take a step back and remove a lot of the emotion, our ins over the past couple of seasons have been really good, and generally pretty well thought through. Yes we've got huge issues in terms of moving people on, but I think the evidence is actually pretty strong for saying our work in getting players in since Paratici arrived has been very good.

I think the issue is a lack of consistency across the players we are being linked with.

Now obviously we have to take all of that with a pinch of salt, but it doesn't feel like we've got an idea on what type of players we want to bring in in key areas.

In particular upfront it feels like we really don't know if we want a wide player, a striker or some sort of hybrid.

Obviously if players that fit the plan come up in the last day of the window then whether we've looked at them for 30 days or 30 minutes shouldn't be the deciding factor.

But it would be nice if there was a plan in the first place. The ITK this window has suggested very much otherwise.

I feel like all the more solid links have been for more versatile wide forwards, not strikers. The only seemingly credible link for a striker was Orban, and there's been no noise around that for a couple of weeks.

So what is? It’s not wing backs, keeper or midfielder.

As I said in the original post, if we see CBs leave, we obviously need some in. Sanchez isn't ideal, but I could deal with him and Davies as back up. Note I say deal with, obviously ideally I want better. But, Tuesday night showed me that the bigger issues are what we do if Bissouma and Maddison are out of the team. Gio was anonymous, and Hojbjerg/Skipp couldn't provide what was needed to take the ball from the cbs and progress the ball. They offered nothing. For me, another 6 who can take the ball under pressure and move it forwards, a back up to Maddison are the most pressing issues. Followed by a suitable cb back up or left back back up.

 

[rawhide]

That's only 'if' that happens. We bring in Johnson and Tosin then it's players we've looked at and identified.

You’re right. I should, and will withhold judgement until the end of the window.

 

[SCUMmucs]

ITK crew. For one day and one day only, can we get any information you have as and when even if you think it’s dumb.

Info should be marked: “It Was True” (IWT)
since everything is subject to change every minute.

I have to be honest I want deadwood going more than new signing right now.

 

[RuskyM]

There it is, the first sign of acceptance

Is the correct action to throw all the toys out of the pram cos we’re not signing a player many of us didn’t want on a deal that wouldn’t show any long term planning?

We can keep buying players for the sake of it but that’s not worked in recent years, has it - hence why we have a squad that is both bloated and expensive. Besides - your power is to vote with your feet. Don’t go to games, don’t buy stuff from them, don’t engage if you don’t want to. Personally I’m excited about Spurs for the first time in years and actually look forward to watching us again, so I’m not really feeling like we need to burn it all down when the direction finally seems pretty good.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

back in talks for tosin

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Gallagher still unrealistic atm

 

[keithtighe93]

I cannot believe we aren't signing anyone after selling Harry, but yet it's oh so believable

 

[Trix]

back in talks for tosin

Most likely scenario has been Tosin and Johnson for a while imvho.

 

[Insomnia]

back in talks for tosin

We've been Tosin & turning making our minds up on this one

 

[What Lies Beneath]

Most likely scenario is Tosin and Johnson imvho.

Johnson deal hasn't moved today

 

[MikeLondon]

Most likely scenario is Tosin and Johnson imvho.

I’d be happy with that at this stage.

 

[Cochise]

I think if we end the window with Micky as our only CB recruit then we've failed. We are one injury away from having a very shaky looking defence.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

trying to push dier to fulham for tosin