The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 6 August 2011

[DazeUk]

Well B&Y are still our top targets butunless we shift players we can not buy them due to wages.
Backup signings are well advertised but unlike with B&Y it is the clubs fees we need to sort out rather than the player terms.
Nothing much has changed since early on in the window simply because we can't sell players. If we don't sell the players very soon then loaning them out is a lot easier but we will have to pick up some of the wages which is why it is not a preferred choice. If we get rid on loan, Blue might come in on loan. If we have some or all of the old boys in then the backups are the options and we will be forced to meet club valuations by deadline day.
The only way we will see B&Y come in will be if some miracle occur and we sell 5 or 6 first teamers in the next two weeks.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

All window I've thought Llorente would be the least likely signing for us, or anyone. Everything I've ever read about the guy suggests he's never going to leave that part of Spain. If he did come to us, I'd seriously worry about his ability to settle.

 

[mill]

Start of the window everyone had Leandro down to be a back up now we'd desperately love to have him as a starter.

 

[mill]

Well B&Y are still our top targets butunless we shift players we can not buy them due to wages.
Backup signings are well advertised but unlike with B&Y it is the clubs fees we need to sort out rather than the player terms.
Nothing much has changed since early on in the window simply because we can't sell players. If we don't sell the players very soon then loaning them out is a lot easier but we will have to pick up some of the wages which is why it is not a preferred choice. If we get rid on loan, Blue might come in on loan. If we have some or all of the old boys in then the backups are the options and we will be forced to meet club valuations by deadline day.
The only way we will see B&Y come in will be if some miracle occur and we sell 5 or 6 first teamers in the next two weeks.

My worry about back up players is that if they know we're interested and leave it too long and someone else comes in for them why wouldn't they sign for them? If we keep them hanging on and someone comes in for them with real conviction you couldn't blame them for blowing us out

 

[Shep]

Well B&Y are still our top targets butunless we shift players we can not buy them due to wages.
Backup signings are well advertised but unlike with B&Y it is the clubs fees we need to sort out rather than the player terms.
Nothing much has changed since early on in the window simply because we can't sell players. If we don't sell the players very soon then loaning them out is a lot easier but we will have to pick up some of the wages which is why it is not a preferred choice. If we get rid on loan, Blue might come in on loan. If we have some or all of the old boys in then the backups are the options and we will be forced to meet club valuations by deadline day.
The only way we will see B&Y come in will be if some miracle occur and we sell 5 or 6 first teamers in the next two weeks.

So are you POTL? Pretending to be POTL? Or claiming to know who B&Y are definitively?

 

[mill]

The one thing I will say, and this is not ITK, nor is it a prediction, is that when Levy took the reins at WHL he specifically cited the unveiling of Ardiles and Villa at WHL as a momentous occasion of the type that he wished to return to the club. I have said this several times this Summer. levy lives for this, and it wouldn't surprise me if he has deliberately held things back/timed things to enable him to do this.
Said this several times this Summer - Levy doesn't just want to make signings, he wants the impact value,the massive statement, the showbiz of it - it is part of what motivates him.

Or...we might not sign anyone[/quote]

I wish I had your faith but there's not much evidence to back this up, end of the day talk is cheap as JJ reguarly proves with his obligatory early season interviews. Also if tht's the case he might well be putting his own image and ego in front of what's best for the club. It's all well and good chasing these players but ending up with nothing again will be an epic fail and far from what's best for the club

 

[Berglad]

God I pray Ben is right on Llorente, it just seems so hard to believe and all the other news seems so bad.

 

[bomberH]

Where is the actual quote from Ben re Llorente?

 

[Wsussexspur]

I can't help thinking that its all too easy to link us to lorente as we are playing Bilbao this weekend!

 

[StartingPrice]

The one thing I will say, and this is not ITK, nor is it a prediction, is that when Levy took the reins at WHL he specifically cited the unveiling of Ardiles and Villa at WHL as a momentous occasion of the type that he wished to return to the club. I have said this several times this Summer. levy lives for this, and it wouldn't surprise me if he has deliberately held things back/timed things to enable him to do this.
Said this several times this Summer - Levy doesn't just want to make signings, he wants the impact value,the massive statement, the showbiz of it - it is part of what motivates him.

Or...we might not sign anyone

I wish I had your faith but there's not much evidence to back this up, end of the day talk is cheap as JJ reguarly proves with his obligatory early season interviews. Also if tht's the case he might well be putting his own image and ego in front of what's best for the club. It's all well and good chasing these players but ending up with nothing again will be an epic fail and far from what's best for the club[/quote]

I'm not basing it on ITK evidence, but on anunderstanding of Levy, the man.

Chelsea recently delayed the announcement of a signing for 12 days (the kid from Barca, I think). Clubs do this type of thing. Previous experience, backed by observation of how Levy works says he likes to keep cards close to his chest. ITK does say we are very close on a few deals - outgoing, and incoming. Some folk have been asking what the hold-up is, if deals are basically done.

I think you are looking at it totally wrong if you think he is doing anything because of his own image or ego, to the detriment of the club. The Villa/Ardiles deals were not to the detriment of the club, but they were unveiled like this...as was the Luksa Modric one. They make a statement before the media, they generate interest, they lift morale. I think you have a predisposition to turn things into negatives (no offence) and this is one of those occasions - I really can't see any reason to turn this prospect into a negative against Levy.

And just for the record, I'm not ITK, I'm not saying this will happen, just that an understanding of Levy, the man, can lead you to a conclusion that he may work towards this, even if it means delaying deals and announcements, or pushing them through.

 

[lifeof...]

Where is the actual quote from Ben re Llorente?

I think this is feeding the hope

No adeybayor at moment

Nothing agreed at al as yet. As said at moment more chance lorente

hardly a sign of hope is it?

 

[mill]

I wish I had your faith but there's not much evidence to back this up, end of the day talk is cheap as JJ reguarly proves with his obligatory early season interviews. Also if tht's the case he might well be putting his own image and ego in front of what's best for the club. It's all well and good chasing these players but ending up with nothing again will be an epic fail and far from what's best for the club

I'm not basing it on ITK evidence, but on anunderstanding of Levy, the man.

Chelsea recently delayed the announcement of a signing for 12 days (the kid from Barca, I think). Clubs do this type of thing. Previous experience, backed by observation of how Levy works says he likes to keep cards close to his chest. ITK does say we are very close on a few deals - outgoing, and incoming. Some folk have been asking what the hold-up is, if deals are basically done.

I think you are looking at it totally wrong if you think he is doing anything because of his own image or ego, to the detriment of the club. The Villa/Ardiles deals were not to the detriment of the club, but they were unveiled like this...as was the Luksa Modric one. They make a statement before the media, they generate interest, they lift morale. I think you have a predisposition to turn things into negatives (no offence) and this is one of those occasions - I really can't see any reason to turn this prospect into a negative against Levy.

And just for the record, I'm not ITK, I'm not saying this will happen, just that an understanding of Levy, the man, can lead you to a conclusion that he may work towards this, even if it means delaying deals and announcements, or pushing them through.[/quote]


I don't think stock exchange rules allow us to do this if a players value is over a certain percentage of our clubs value, so anyone fairly expensive has to be announced (I may be wrong).

Fine if it comes off but last window showed that it doesn't always come off and it was to the detriment of the club. No offence taken the last few windows have definitely increased my pessimism

 

[Sasha75]

Have been going through the spanish and italian papers today, as one does on a saturday morning....the idea from spain is that kaka is available for loan, diarra will be gone in the next few days (linked with spurs) and not one article on llorente leaving whatsoever. I would suggest that this is definately the one to come out of the blue. (no pun intended)

 

[McFlash]

Looking at the Citeh team above...Barry...doesn't quite fit for me.
You can't polish a turd!

SP - I'm all with you on the idea of DL's desire, I posted a late night waffle in the daily thread a couple of days ago, along with some other ideas on the character of the man (imo).
One of the itk's (Akqa?) suggested that I was barking up the right tree with my ideas of the man.

Here's hoping eh?....

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm not basing it on ITK evidence, but on anunderstanding of Levy, the man.

Chelsea recently delayed the announcement of a signing for 12 days (the kid from Barca, I think). Clubs do this type of thing. Previous experience, backed by observation of how Levy works says he likes to keep cards close to his chest. ITK does say we are very close on a few deals - outgoing, and incoming. Some folk have been asking what the hold-up is, if deals are basically done.

I think you are looking at it totally wrong if you think he is doing anything because of his own image or ego, to the detriment of the club. The Villa/Ardiles deals were not to the detriment of the club, but they were unveiled like this...as was the Luksa Modric one. They make a statement before the media, they generate interest, they lift morale. I think you have a predisposition to turn things into negatives (no offence) and this is one of those occasions - I really can't see any reason to turn this prospect into a negative against Levy.

And just for the record, I'm not ITK, I'm not saying this will happen, just that an understanding of Levy, the man, can lead you to a conclusion that he may work towards this, even if it means delaying deals and announcements, or pushing them through.

I don't think stock exchange rules allow us to do this if a players value is over a certain percentage of our clubs value, so anyone fairly expensive has to be announced (I may be wrong).

Fine if it comes off but last window showed that it doesn't always come off and it was to the detriment of the club. No offence taken the last few windows have definitely increased my pessimism[/quote]

I can't really say about Stock Exchange regulations - but I didn't mean we specifically have to sign a player and not announce it. Could equally agree the deal in principle and arrange the final signing for today, or any other kind of manouvre. I'm not definitively saying anything ahs happened or how, just that it wouldn't surprise me if Levy engineered things to coincide,so that he would have an unveiling ceromony today, is all.
And I'm not stating any particlat player - like I said, I am not ITK. Just see it as the type ofthing Levy wants to do, as a conscious emulation of days gone by. The unveiling of Ardiles/Villa moments are the ones he aspires to as Spurs Chairman.

The last few windows have definitely increased the perception some folk have of me as inanely optimistic in the face of facts:grin:

 

[SlunkSoma]

I appreciate BENs info, but that is MASSIVE news...not just llorente close...bye! Samba close...fine, no big whoop. Llorente close FUCK ME! Right? This is not the time for nonshalance, it is a time for going way overboard, wrenching of clothes, dancing in the high road singing Fernando by Abba.

 

[haslemereyid]

I dont worry about Citeh its Arsenal we should be targeting - they are going to lose Fibreglass and Nasty who are absolutely the core of their team - we are moaning because we are yet to sign players to improve us they are going to struggle massively to even remotely replace the talents of the players leaving - this is the year for us to overhaul them

and if we could just sign another striker.........

 

[StartingPrice]

I dont worry about Citeh its Arsenal we should be targeting - they are going to lose Fibreglass and Nasty who are absolutely the core of their team - we are moaning because we are yet to sign players to improve us they are going to struggle massively to even remotely replace the talents of the players leaving - this is the year for us to overhaul them

and if we could just sign another striker.........

THIS.
If I could get a bookies to lay a bet on there not being a St Totteringham's Day this year I would be interested.

 

[Sandro30]

I'm certain there's a link between the friendly being arranged and Llorente. Has to be.

Or it's just simply 5th v 5th?

 

[mill]

I don't think stock exchange rules allow us to do this if a players value is over a certain percentage of our clubs value, so anyone fairly expensive has to be announced (I may be wrong).

Fine if it comes off but last window showed that it doesn't always come off and it was to the detriment of the club. No offence taken the last few windows have definitely increased my pessimism

I can't really say about Stock Exchange regulations - but I didn't mean we specifically have to sign a player and not announce it. Could equally agree the deal in principle and arrange the final signing for today, or any other kind of manouvre. I'm not definitively saying anything ahs happened or how, just that it wouldn't surprise me if Levy engineered things to coincide,so that he would have an unveiling ceromony today, is all.
And I'm not stating any particlat player - like I said, I am not ITK. Just see it as the type ofthing Levy wants to do, as a conscious emulation of days gone by. The unveiling of Ardiles/Villa moments are the ones he aspires to as Spurs Chairman.

The last few windows have definitely increased the perception some folk have of me as inanely optimistic in the face of facts:grin:[/quote]


I think that rings true for every chairman in the world. Anyway the way things are going you may get your wish, we might only be left with Ardiles and Villa lol