The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 6th January

[Ace]

Oh good! Someone who knows exactly what Sherwood's basic ideas are! Would you like to give the rest of us an idea? No need to go into great length, just a reasonably detailed resume when you have the time.

Yes why not. Sherwood uses the basic 4-4-2 system with an attacking mentality. We can see a lot of the same system that redknapp used when he first took over. The problem with the system is that our defense is significantly weakend. Without a hoolding midfielder to sweep the area between the back four and midfield, the opposition have a lot easier to control the midfield (like arsenal did) and a lot of dangerous space to operate in outside the box. I am not saying that Tim won't change or become a better manager, but the way we are playing now will probably not establish us a top four team for many seasons to come. All the top teams in this league play with three central midfielders and will therefore dominate in midfield and possesion against us. And if you do that, you win most games.

 

[xtrac]

Yes why not. Sherwood uses the basic 4-4-2 system with an attacking mentality. We can see a lot of the same system that redknapp used when he first took over. The problem with the system is that our defense is significantly weakend. Without a hoolding midfielder to sweep the area between the back four and midfield, the opposition have a lot easier to control the midfield (like arsenal did) and a lot of dangerous space to operate in outside the box. I am not saying that Tim won't change or become a better manager, but the way we are playing now will probably not establish us a top four team for many seasons to come. All the top teams in this league play with three central midfielders and will therefore dominate in midfield and possesion against us. And if you do that, you win most games.

absolute rubbish!!

 

[TEESSIDE1]

~no videos in here please~

Have to be done

A mighty load of tap ins, for a compilation it's not exactly inspiring excitement.

Gary Lineker MKII ...

I was hoping to see someone with either the ability to beat a defender with ease, some pace or flair ... not 3 mins of tap ins from 2 yards outs.

The standard of football in his compilation video looks horrendous.

Pointless signing when we have Kane.

 

[Ace]

absolute rubbish!!

Elaborate?

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

Gary Lineker MKII ...

I was hoping to see someone with either the ability to beat a defender with ease, some pace or flair ... not 3 mins of tap ins from 2 yards outs.

The standard of football in his compilation video looks horrendous.

Pointless signing when we have Kane.

Have to agree.

I mean a scout knows better than you and I but when you factor in the quality of the league and how poor he looks as a player, makes you wonder. I hoped to see some raw ability, flair etc.

Still it's a very limited view and it's outdated video so, who the fuck knows!

On a side note Lukaku is basically the same age and is tearing up the PL.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Have to agree.

I mean a scout knows better than you and I but when you factor in the quality of the league and how poor he looks as a player, makes you wonder. I hoped to see some raw ability, flair etc.

Still it's a very limited view and it's outdated video so, who the fuck knows!

On a side note Lukaku is basically the same age and is tearing up the PL.

Me too

The likes of Bakkali, Depay, Locadia, Klaassen, Fischer, Castaignos all possess a raw talent, something to get excited about ... Parzyszek just looks like a skinny version of Ian Marshall, Leicester's once upon a time flying pig who bundled the ball over the line every now and then lol

 

[xtrac]

Elaborate?

to be fare ive explained myself till im blue in the face fella, if people seriously believe its all about the formation, then honestly i give up!!

4-2-3-1 clearly never worked, with the exception of bale last season, we played defensively and was lucky on numerous occasions to come away with 3 points or a draw!!

TS hasnt even had time on the training pitch with the players on a consistent level, and to suggest we will never get top 4 playing a style of 4-4-2 ( which incidently utd and citeh play) is plain wrong!

we achieved CL football playing this system and reached top 4 2 seasons on the trot ( only for chelski to win it) the players we have today are still settling into a changed system, that TS has had no chance to work on with the players in detail.

Yes maybe you can argue the players we bought are not in the same bracket as modric, vdv, bale etc, and ill make you right, but give them a chance! do you not think if Pauly and Sandro was in the midfield of a 4, Sandro wouldnt be defensive minded, as would Capoue!

As TS has stated just because we set up as 4-4-2 doesnt mean we play 4-4-2! its a flexible system!

and its off topic again!! with 4-4-2 rubbish in wrong thread..in future i wont reply to it, sorry mods.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

to be fare ive explained myself till im blue in the face fella, if people seriously believe its all about the formation, then honestly i give up!!

4-2-3-1 clearly never worked, with the exception of bale last season, we played defensively and was lucky on numerous occasions to come away with 3 points or a draw!!

TS hasnt even had time on the training pitch with the players on a consistent level, and to suggest we will never get top 4 playing a style of 4-4-2 ( which incidently utd and citeh play) is plain wrong!

we achieved CL football playing this system and reached top 4 2 seasons on the trot ( only for chelski to win it) the players we have today are still settling into a changed system, that TS has had no chance to work on with the players in detail.

Yes maybe you can argue the players we bought are not in the same bracket as modric, vdv, bale etc, and ill make you right, but give them a chance! do you not think if Pauly and Sandro was in the midfield of a 4, Sandro wouldnt be defensive minded, as would Capoue!

As TS has stated just because we set up as 4-4-2 doesnt mean we play 4-4-2! its a flexible system!

yeah!!!1!!

 

[Mouse!]

Doesn't have to be playing in the Eredivisie.

There's a Polish guy in the Eerste Division called Piotr Parzyszek.

20 years old, 6ft 3in and scoring well for De Graafschap.

Maybe we're after the next Lewandowski.

http://www.transfermarkt.ie/en/piotr-parzyszek/profil/spieler_155202.html

Oh wow S.Mouse!, You seem to have mentioned Piotr ages before Ryan's post but were largely ignored. Here, have a winner rating. You're amazing. Your cock is also an impressive specimen.

 

[Freundy]

If we're looking at young players from the Eredevisie, I would say that very strongly suggests that Baldini is already working in cohots with either LVG or FDB.

 

[gibbospurs]

i think the money could be better spent!! on lottery tickets maybe.

 

[dirtydave]

If we're looking at adding young British talent, we could do worse than Joel Ward at Palace. He's having a blinding season at RB but previously played CB and can cover LB too. He's better than Naughton, would push Walker and probably stay sharp by coming off the bench to replace whichever of the back four who's turn it is to get an injury in that particular game.

 

[SlunkSoma]

We're back in for Kaka, surely.

Those were the days.

 

[Freundy]

Re the ITK about our homegrown quota, aside from Ross Barkley and Luke Shaw, the best English prospect around at the moment is Will Hughes at Derby.

If Baldini is as smart as he's supposed to be, he's hopefully negotiated a first refusal option as part of the Dawkins deal.

 

[PrettyColors]

Re the ITK about our homegrown quota, aside from Ross Barkley and Luke Shaw, the best English prospect around at the moment is Will Hughes at Derby.

If Baldini is as smart as he's supposed to be, he's hopefully negotiated a first refusal option as part of the Dawkins deal.

I don't know if I can really justify us signing Hughes because it's going to be, at the very least, £10m.

Sure, he's quality, but is he really worth that amount of money to us? And with the showings of Bentaleb and Carroll (both will count as homegrown, by the way, since Nabil arrived here before he was 17 and he's an academy graduate) is buying another smart left footed young CM really a need for us?

 

[spurs9]

Re the ITK about our homegrown quota, aside from Ross Barkley and Luke Shaw, the best English prospect around at the moment is Will Hughes at Derby.

If Baldini is as smart as he's supposed to be, he's hopefully negotiated a first refusal option as part of the Dawkins deal.

He is going to be a good player but not the position we need. Eriksen & Lamela are only 3 years older and we have Carroll, Bentaleb and Milos trying to break through our already packed central midfield.

 

[ChristianBaler]

If Baldini is as smart as he's supposed to be, he's hopefully negotiated a first refusal option as part of the Dawkins deal.

Why? He was at the club for almost 10 years and didn't even make an appearance for the club.

 

[SandroClegane]

If Baldini is as smart as he's supposed to be, he's hopefully negotiated a first refusal option as part of the Dawkins deal.

Yeah, I'm sure Derby would agree to something like that which makes absolutely no sense to add on to a player that cost 500,000 pounds.

 

[nferno]

Yeah, I'm sure Derby would agree to something like that which makes absolutely no sense to add on to a player that cost 500,000 pounds.

it does make some sense, because first refusal is useless. if City were to bid something crazy like £20m we'd have first refusal (but we obviously wouldn't pay) and Derby would still get their big pay day without losing out anything at all. The only person to miss out would be Hughes himself, as City would surely pay a lot more in wages. Dawkins has been doing well at Derby and we have done them a bit of a favor with that price as well tbf.

other than that though, tottenham will not be signing will hughes regardless of a first option or not

 

[TheAmerican]

Re the ITK about our homegrown quota, aside from Ross Barkley and Luke Shaw, the best English prospect around at the moment is Will Hughes at Derby.

If Baldini is as smart as he's supposed to be, he's hopefully negotiated a first refusal option as part of the Dawkins deal.

Sam Byram (Leeds) would be a damn good backup for Walker. I understand we have a few players, but none that I believe are as developed as Byram. He would be a good buy imo.