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BEN is and always has been one of the very best ITK's, he's usually to be found climbing trees and he's published several books on the English language.
The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 7th July
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Led's Zeppelin
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The trouble is the term ITK.
In The Know.
Stories like this are not really ITK. They are someone's interpretation of things that you would need to be intimately familiar with to understand, and even then would be open to misinterpretation. Thanks for posting it but it is was it is, another person's opinion.
I know that it's interpretation when I read about the power of Levy's PR machine. Really? There's a Donna Cullen at every big club. They vet public statements, they push the party line. They try to show everything in a good light. It's normal, therefore it's neutral. Donna is more than a PR officer now. She has a very significant role in running the club, and she's no fool. She knows that trophies matter to players and fans, that success on the field is an essential ingredient in a successful football business. Like most good PR people, they know better than most that bullshit only gets you so far, (if they didn't they'd be crap at their jobs: you have to understand your own trade) and that their job is easier when they have a good product to sell.
Pochettino also is no fool. It will not be news to him that his job is to manage the team and not to play fantasy football. It's his appreciation of the reality of the job that makes him so unusually good at it.
Remember, managers love complaining about not getting the players they want. It's one of the few weapons they have to influence their money-managers during the transfer window. Mancini and in a more measured way Pellegrini did, at a club with limitless funds. Mourinho never stops, despite also having a bottomless pit to spend. Conte is furious about not getting his targets. At Chelsea, ffs. Only Wenger's quiet about it, and he's the least popular manager among his own fans of any of them. Pep's a bit more like Pochettino in some ways but they all do it at some point. Managers put pressure on the board. The board tries to get value for money. Everyone does their job and rows about it from time to time as they get on with it.
This latest bit of ITK sounds like a normal day at the office, overheard by an outsider who can only interpret it according to his own opinions. It's all any of us can do until a hard fact comes along and shits on our lawn. Which it hasn't done yet.
In The Know.
Stories like this are not really ITK. They are someone's interpretation of things that you would need to be intimately familiar with to understand, and even then would be open to misinterpretation. Thanks for posting it but it is was it is, another person's opinion.
I know that it's interpretation when I read about the power of Levy's PR machine. Really? There's a Donna Cullen at every big club. They vet public statements, they push the party line. They try to show everything in a good light. It's normal, therefore it's neutral. Donna is more than a PR officer now. She has a very significant role in running the club, and she's no fool. She knows that trophies matter to players and fans, that success on the field is an essential ingredient in a successful football business. Like most good PR people, they know better than most that bullshit only gets you so far, (if they didn't they'd be crap at their jobs: you have to understand your own trade) and that their job is easier when they have a good product to sell.
Pochettino also is no fool. It will not be news to him that his job is to manage the team and not to play fantasy football. It's his appreciation of the reality of the job that makes him so unusually good at it.
Remember, managers love complaining about not getting the players they want. It's one of the few weapons they have to influence their money-managers during the transfer window. Mancini and in a more measured way Pellegrini did, at a club with limitless funds. Mourinho never stops, despite also having a bottomless pit to spend. Conte is furious about not getting his targets. At Chelsea, ffs. Only Wenger's quiet about it, and he's the least popular manager among his own fans of any of them. Pep's a bit more like Pochettino in some ways but they all do it at some point. Managers put pressure on the board. The board tries to get value for money. Everyone does their job and rows about it from time to time as they get on with it.
This latest bit of ITK sounds like a normal day at the office, overheard by an outsider who can only interpret it according to his own opinions. It's all any of us can do until a hard fact comes along and shits on our lawn. Which it hasn't done yet.
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I did wonder about the 'PR Machine' bit.
If the PR Machine is so good that it's tricked us into thinking we've got a new training ground, a new stadium on the way, an NFL partnership, a deal with the biggest sports brand in the world, and two seasons in a row where we've been in the title race having been lower mid-table fodder when Levy joined, but actually none of that has happened, then fair enough....that is one hell of a PR Machine.
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I genuinely think you didn't actually read it. You couldn't possibly have.
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Completely agree.
It may or may not be true, but some of it in particular I regard with a high degree of cynicism. For example it claims we failed to sign Willian due to Levy's intransigence. Yet we'd agreed a few and he was on his way for a medical before Chelsea and Jose gazumped us, so that simply doesn't add up.
£20m agreed for Barkley already? Seems implausible to me.
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felmani26
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Strongly inferred in which a fair proportion have lapped it up with aplomb to quench their insatiable lust for knee-jerking and regurgitate ad nauseam.
To suggest the wording in the Goat's ITK isn't heavily tinged with anti-Levy rhetoric is naive.
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Except it hasn't tricked us into thinking that has it?
Lots of cheap shots today but worse, lots of very very stupid ones too. Well played.
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Looks like a bit of bitterness but i can also believe that there is truth in it. As if you kept getting promises and then they were broken by someone being awkward or changing the goal posts that would be incredibly frustrating thats if the itk is true. I am just choosing not to believe it. Even if it was 100% true I wouldn't believe it though.
Also think people are way too quick at times to hammer Levy. Look what he has done. Yes he has his flaws but we have become a great force on and off the pitch
Also think people are way too quick at times to hammer Levy. Look what he has done. Yes he has his flaws but we have become a great force on and off the pitch
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Strongly inferred my arse. To suggest you don't like it that daddy is being dissed is naive?
Led's Zeppelin
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The Goat's bit?
You'd have to explain why you say that because Ive read it twice. What have I missed?
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I just don't understand what the 'PR Machine' has to do with any of it. Don't really think it's stupid to point out that comment doesn't make any sense.
As others have said it seems a very snide comment based on opinion rather than fact.
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Spelling as bad as ever - littered with mistakes which I've corrected for our readers.
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I see @[email protected] is negging anybody that speaks positively about Levy whilst loving those in the anti camp. If only there were some way for us to get in touch with him away from the forum to discuss his viewpoint further 
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He used to be... Not sure anymore.
felmani26
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No, just a pragmatist.
Levy isn't infallible - nobody is at the club and that includes Pochettino too but you see the same tired bullshit spouted on a loop when it's perceived we are doing fuck all in the transfer market.
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I see @[email protected] is negging anybody that speaks positively about Levy whilst loving those in the anti camp. If only there were some way for us to get in touch with him away from the forum to discuss his viewpoint further
Get a tin foil hat and you'll be able to connect directly to his.
Mouse!
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I see @[email protected] is negging anybody that speaks positively about Levy whilst loving those in the anti camp. If only there were some way for us to get in touch with him away from the forum to discuss his viewpoint further
At least I now have an email to use when signing up for trash newsletters and e-mags.
Are you seriously complaining over a rating? Really? And in the ITK thread, no less? Come on, mate. You're better than this.I see @[email protected] is negging anybody that speaks positively about Levy whilst loving those in the anti camp. If only there were some way for us to get in touch with him away from the forum to discuss his viewpoint further
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