We had second best goal scoring last season behind city and we finished 7, nonsense. Get over your hate to Levy you support Tottenham Hotspur not Levy united.
The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY 31st August 2021
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PCozzie
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If this is to be it as per latest ITK, then it looks to be a two steps forward, one step back kind of window. We are a club that currently cannot offer the very top level of wages, cannot offer Champions League (or even Europa League) football, and most likely cannot offer a sustained title challenge as an incentive.
Yet we have signed one of the very best central defenders in Europe, a young winger with huge prospects, a right back that is at worst an upgrade, alongside a future first team keeper and a young CM that any club in Europe would want (albeit for next season).
Yes we seem a little top heavy in certain positions, yes we haven't found PL quality striker cover, and no we don't have the creative midfielder that we are crying out for.
Not brilliant, but far from a disaster.
Yet we have signed one of the very best central defenders in Europe, a young winger with huge prospects, a right back that is at worst an upgrade, alongside a future first team keeper and a young CM that any club in Europe would want (albeit for next season).
Yes we seem a little top heavy in certain positions, yes we haven't found PL quality striker cover, and no we don't have the creative midfielder that we are crying out for.
Not brilliant, but far from a disaster.
smokeydyid
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Well obviously! but we at least need another striker that's capable of scoring goals or someone who can create.
Snarfalicious
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Have to say it sucks to hear that we threw in the towel pretty early. Literally no updates since morning (I’m in the US) and kind of just feels like after hearing we wouldn’t be allowed to spend on Traore everything just dried up.
spurslenny
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If nothing else, the latest ITK has given me a reason to get off the lap top for the rest of the day.
Real world here I come!!!
Real world here I come!!!
robertgoulet
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Was absolutely prepared to not get any work done today bc I was going to be F5ing this thread. Pretty bummed out that I don't have an excuse to not work now, tbh.
ProfCalculus
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If the window stays as it is, and if your criteria for judging a window is addressing your needs and achieving your goals, which seems reasonable, the window has largely been a failure. We made some nice opportunistic signings but our major needs were:
- second striker. Told absolutely happening whatever happens with Kane to the degree those who doubted it were ridiculed. It didn’t. (Not a dig at itk; about 1-2 percent of it has borne fruit in reality over the last 10-15 years I’ve lurked just because everything is so dynamic, so people really need to read it with that in mind IMO. Just disregard the way it’s presented). Traore‘s 4 goals a season a load of spin on buggering that up. So we mismanaged the Kane situation if we intended to come out of it with two strikers.
— Fixing a shambolic defence. We signed Romero. That’s great. If we sign Emerson, that’s great. We kept all the other centre backs deemed not good enough bar the tubby old Belgian. I can actually buy into it and into nuno transforming some of them but it’s not what the club intended. And we still have two additional right backs one of whom is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen at Tottenham and the other is Aurier.
- Get rid of deadwood. Didn’t happen.
— Sort the midfield. We have Skipp and Hojbjerg as our only solid options, bearing in mind Skipp is just starting his first full season in the premier league. we didn’t shift winks. Hg being an issue means we have failed to manage the squad properly. Hope LoCelso can improve dramatically. We have no rotation for when Skipp/Hojbjerg are out. Gonna be more porous than actual water.
Our only striker and our only creative midfielder - bar possibly LoCelso - don’t want to be here. Again, I am a Spurs fan and so more than capable of bending my belief to buy into stuff. I would far rather Scarlett gets chucked in, despite him not being a standout youth player technically, than sign another lump like vinicius. And I can pretend Ndombele isn’t an arse. But that’s me, not what the club intended. From a lot of points of view we could be in trouble scoring and creating.
i don’t think the backup keeper was as Important but we signed gollini. That and Gil made the opening to the window fantastic. The rest of the window has been calamitous. Fussing around over Martinez and vlahovic like they’re prime Messi and Ronaldo forever. Getting involved in ridiculously precipitous and tenuous deals like the Barca kid. Apparently we had a budget in mind with Kane and without Kane and Paratici had everything under control. Yet we didn’t calmly move for anyone after Kane stayed and didnt operate as though there was a plan in place. In addition to which the Number of players we were trying to sign started dropping by the day and our ‘with kane’ budget with it. No idea what that’s about but it does happen toward the end of every window.
Personally, I‘ve been really impressed with Paratici’s player identification, but think he has issues in that the idea of keeping 10 plates spinning is all well and good in a static environment but not really much use when other clubs can wander by and grab them at any moment. Players aren’t going to sit ariund saying ‘sorry but I’m keeping this seat for Tottingham’ whenever a more decisive club comes by. I have no idea how much is Levy ruining everything but… Juve fans said Fab’s main issues are shifting deadwood, which he failed at there, and having some perspective in terms of building a balanced squad. Sounds familiar. Actually have faith in him but more in that I hope he’ll learn from this window. I’m probably building a picture based on too little information, and could Easily be completely wrong, but at the moment I feel that Paratici has a bit of brilliance about him, hampered by a tendency to lose perspective and get sidetracked.
That, however, makes me like and relate to him and think he’s Spurs. I‘ll always back a fantasist.
- second striker. Told absolutely happening whatever happens with Kane to the degree those who doubted it were ridiculed. It didn’t. (Not a dig at itk; about 1-2 percent of it has borne fruit in reality over the last 10-15 years I’ve lurked just because everything is so dynamic, so people really need to read it with that in mind IMO. Just disregard the way it’s presented). Traore‘s 4 goals a season a load of spin on buggering that up. So we mismanaged the Kane situation if we intended to come out of it with two strikers.
— Fixing a shambolic defence. We signed Romero. That’s great. If we sign Emerson, that’s great. We kept all the other centre backs deemed not good enough bar the tubby old Belgian. I can actually buy into it and into nuno transforming some of them but it’s not what the club intended. And we still have two additional right backs one of whom is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen at Tottenham and the other is Aurier.
- Get rid of deadwood. Didn’t happen.
— Sort the midfield. We have Skipp and Hojbjerg as our only solid options, bearing in mind Skipp is just starting his first full season in the premier league. we didn’t shift winks. Hg being an issue means we have failed to manage the squad properly. Hope LoCelso can improve dramatically. We have no rotation for when Skipp/Hojbjerg are out. Gonna be more porous than actual water.
Our only striker and our only creative midfielder - bar possibly LoCelso - don’t want to be here. Again, I am a Spurs fan and so more than capable of bending my belief to buy into stuff. I would far rather Scarlett gets chucked in, despite him not being a standout youth player technically, than sign another lump like vinicius. And I can pretend Ndombele isn’t an arse. But that’s me, not what the club intended. From a lot of points of view we could be in trouble scoring and creating.
i don’t think the backup keeper was as Important but we signed gollini. That and Gil made the opening to the window fantastic. The rest of the window has been calamitous. Fussing around over Martinez and vlahovic like they’re prime Messi and Ronaldo forever. Getting involved in ridiculously precipitous and tenuous deals like the Barca kid. Apparently we had a budget in mind with Kane and without Kane and Paratici had everything under control. Yet we didn’t calmly move for anyone after Kane stayed and didnt operate as though there was a plan in place. In addition to which the Number of players we were trying to sign started dropping by the day and our ‘with kane’ budget with it. No idea what that’s about but it does happen toward the end of every window.
Personally, I‘ve been really impressed with Paratici’s player identification, but think he has issues in that the idea of keeping 10 plates spinning is all well and good in a static environment but not really much use when other clubs can wander by and grab them at any moment. Players aren’t going to sit ariund saying ‘sorry but I’m keeping this seat for Tottingham’ whenever a more decisive club comes by. I have no idea how much is Levy ruining everything but… Juve fans said Fab’s main issues are shifting deadwood, which he failed at there, and having some perspective in terms of building a balanced squad. Sounds familiar. Actually have faith in him but more in that I hope he’ll learn from this window. I’m probably building a picture based on too little information, and could Easily be completely wrong, but at the moment I feel that Paratici has a bit of brilliance about him, hampered by a tendency to lose perspective and get sidetracked.
That, however, makes me like and relate to him and think he’s Spurs. I‘ll always back a fantasist.
easley91
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Whose lap were you on top of?
mil1lion
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I'm not quoting all the examples because there's plenty of people suggesting that Paratici should be left to it. I'm not sure how people can say that Levy stay away and let Paratici get on with it not be suggesting he has control of the finances. Levy has to be involved from a financial point.
duffster
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It's not just about Traore, although on balance I think he would have been a good signing; we are possibly stronger in defence - that remains to be seen; the Prem is not Serie A and I've never heard of this Emerson guy so I've no idea if he is an improvement, Gilberto looms large in my memory.
Last season we had Vincinius who allowed us to not have to play Kane or Son in the lesser comps and got us a fair few goals and we had Bale who got into double figures in the league. We are not just weaker in those positions they simply haven't been replaced.
Let's hope we can in every game 1-0 and it won't matter, but we are not stronger overall in my view.
Has it? We lost our best defender and signed Romero and now another RB, neither have played in the PL. I think the jury is still out on that. Dier and Sanchez have been good, but form is temporary class is permanent and neither have been class the last 2/3 year
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Trent Crimm
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Winks strutting around tmrw, Elton John’s “I’m still standing” coming out of his Beats ?
13VanDerBale13
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reading all these neg posts makes me wonder ...its like we didn't sign anyone at all or we signed poor players. I think that even if we signed messi, ronaldo, haaland and mbappe that some on here would still nag we didn't sign a good backup goalie
get with the programme - we were never gonna replace the entire squad in one Window!
get with the programme - we were never gonna replace the entire squad in one Window!
Aphex
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Surely we needed more than a good solid window. We were well behind the top 4 last season, and personally think we will end the season just as far back if not further. I am not letting myself get carried away just because of our good start.
I don't think our midfield of Alli. Skipp and PEH is anywhere near strong enough to compete over a long arduous season. Then we have the unreliable Ndombele who phones it in, and Lo Celso who as yet hasn't really convinced consistently.
Our RWF slot is being fought over by Berg and Moura who both are not good enough, I don't care how subjective people want to be, neither score or create anywhere near enough to justify a start. We likely have just one more season of Kane, to get us into CL again, and I feel we've been left too short yet again.
There are a lot of unknown factors that could have been mitigated with just a couple more solid signings. It is what it is though, it is the story of ENIC and Levy, we just never do quite enough. We haven't gone all out for CL, we have done enough to keep us mildly competitive and hope loads of things go our way.
PLTuck
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Yes it has. Whoever we sign it can go well or it can not work out. We signed 3 in Gollini, Romero, and Royal. So yes, it has been addressed.
Had we signed Vlahovic or Martinez would you say that the forward issue was addressed? Even though neither have played in the PL and are young? How many players do you want to sign before you consider an area is addressed? You can "What if...." till the cows come home but there are little things like squad registration to consider.
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