The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY SPECIAL!

[hakano]

Perfectly reasonable inference. Completely disagree at LB, I think Rose and Davies are more than good enough.

At right back I accept I have nothing tangible to say other than Aurier could well pull a Sissoko, and Walker-Peters with regular starts might just fulfil what is undoubtedly a lot of potential.

What’s the point in the youth system if we never fill a hole with an academy product after all? Likewise I’m more than happy to see Parrott and Skipp take minutes that would’ve gone to Llorente and Wanyama, while Tanganga has come from nowhere to look like a viable option but sadly probably has the best depth in front of him.

Agree that we need to give youth a chance. Honestly I don't think Poch rates KWP much based on how often he has selected him in the last couple of seasons. Think he has Foyth earmarked for that role and he could come good, fingers crossed. LB, people love Rose's all action style but if we're honest he's not great defensively and not productive further forward - oh and he's often injured. I loved Rose in 15/16 and 16/17 but let's be honest he's not the same player anymore. Davies is a solid squad player. Maybe Sess will challenge them but let's see.

Anyway onwards and upwards, let the season commence. COYS!

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

What a joke this is, we've signed 3 fantastic players that i rate extremely highly and yet im still feeling crushed that a pipe dream move for Dybala didnt come off. Need to have a good hard look at myself

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It has been an especially busy day at work for me and so I've missed everything as it was happening today, just seeing the end results well after our window had shut, but here's the scat-hot take that you've all been waiting for:

- We won't be able to fully judge this summer until we see whether Eriksen is still here in mid-September.
- If Eriksen is still here and has signed a new contract, it has been an unbelievably brilliant window.
- If Eriksen is still here and hasn't signed a new contract, it has been a great window.
- If Eriksen isn't still here, it has been a promising but ultimately not good enough window.

Fair assessment, though as before we disagree on how awful Eriksen leaving would be, I genuinely think we have the depth to take it on the chin. However, given that I think the current squad can mount a serious title challenge and win a trophy in tandem, I hope the club value that more than the knock down fee we’d get for Eriksen, as I can’t see anyone bidding more than £40m for him.

Genuine question... if a European club came in and offered, say, £80m... what would you do?

 

[pablo73]

They have better full backs. But our midfield is superior now.

Forward areas are close, as are CBs.

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I think they are superior defensively full stop, including GK, FB's & CB's. Agree that we edge it in midfield now and nothing to choose between our forward options. There's certainy not a lot in it either way.

 

[Mr Pink]

Fair assessment, though as before we disagree on how awful Eriksen leaving would be, I genuinely think we have the depth to take it on the chin. However, given that I think the current squad can mount a serious title challenge and win a trophy in tandem, I hope the club value that more than the knock down fee we’d get for Eriksen, as I can’t see anyone bidding more than £40m for him.

Genuine question... if a European club came in and offered, say, £80m... what would you do?

If Eriksen wanted to go the answer is simple, you'd sell.

I agree with you, I think we'd handle losing him better than some think, providing our new signings have some real impact.

Obviously the absolutely ideal situation would be him signing a new deal but if he leaves I still think we're more than capable of finishing top three again.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

I'm not happy because we still have eriksen. I want him out because his he's been acting. Lost all respect for him

To bad we didn't go for BF when dybala wasnt possible

I'm *very happy*, considering what the Window was looking like with a few hours to go. But I'm a huge BF fan, and I think if we'd gotten that deal across the line (even if it meant selling Eriksen), we'd be looking at a truly historic TW.

Nonetheless, you hafta be chuffed.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

They have better full backs. But our midfield is superior now.

Forward areas are close, as are CBs.

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I don’t think their FBs are better than ours, but Klopp really knows how to use them .

 

[scat1620]

Genuine question... if a European club came in and offered, say, £80m... what would you do?

Personally, I'd want him to stay. I'd like to see us focus on the current season a bit more than we do, rather than always having an eye on the next season, so my preference would be to keep the player and have an amazing squad for this season right here right now. Clearly it's not a black-and-white issue and you've put a big number down to make it a hypothetical scenario with no obvious/easy choice, but that's where I'd land I think.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think they are superior defensively full stop, including GK, FB's & CB's. Agree that we edge it in midfield now and nothing to choose between our forward options. There's certainy not a lot in it either way.

Not sure I agree... last season our defence was exposed by a lack of cohesion in front of it while Liverpool’s had three work horses consistently in Milner, Henderson and eventually Fabinho. VVD and Gomez/ Matip is very good, as is Alisson, but Lloris Vertonghen and Alderweireld is as good a ventral triangle. We still had the third best defence in the league.

Full backs there’s no argument really.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think they are superior defensively full stop, including GK, FB's & CB's. Agree that we edge it in midfield now and nothing to choose between our forward options. There's certainy not a lot in it either way.

You really think their CBs are more superior to Toby and Jan? Don't think there's much in it personally.

Certainly their keeper and VVD have definitely been at the heart of their defensive improvement, but our back line saw a lot of change last season.

Their full backs piss all over ours though.

 

[nedley]

Tbh 99% of us have no idea about him either. Let's not pretend we were all watching Betis on a weekly last season

Fingers crossed he's great

I was.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Personally, I'd want him to stay. I'd like to see us focus on the current season a bit more than we do, rather than always having an eye on the next season, so my preference would be to keep the player and have an amazing squad for this season right here right now. Clearly it's not a black-and-white issue and you've put a big number down to make it a hypothetical scenario with no obvious/easy choice, but that's where I'd land I think.

I’m inclined don’t to agree, just, and it’s unlikely anyway. But yes, from my viewpoint, if Eriksen, Rose and Toby are still here in September then we’ll be equipped to have a sensational season, and if in a year we have to replace at a loss (certainly Eriksen, though by then Clarke returns and Sessegnon becomes a left back, while Tanganga could take one of the Belgian squad places if he develops as I’d hope), then so be it.

 

[Pauleta01]

Anyone worked out Net spend for the window?

In - £145m

Ndombele £55m
Sessegnon £25m (plus JO)
Jack Clarke £10m
Lo Celso £55m (no way the option is not watertight)

Out - £28.5m

Trippier - £22m
Jansen - £6.5m

Net Spend - £116.5m

Yep say it twice! Although could reduce dramatically if Aurier, N’Koudou and Eriksen leave to foreign pastures new by the end of the month!

 

[scat1620]

It has been an especially busy day at work for me and so I've missed everything as it was happening today, just seeing the end results well after our window had shut, but here's the scat-hot take that you've all been waiting for:

- We won't be able to fully judge this summer until we see whether Eriksen is still here in mid-September.
- If Eriksen is still here and has signed a new contract, it has been an unbelievably brilliant window.
- If Eriksen is still here and hasn't signed a new contract, it has been a great window.
- If Eriksen isn't still here, it has been a promising but ultimately not good enough window.

Btw, for all you scat1620 fans out there, guess how I see the Will Eriksen Still Be At Spurs In Mid-September question?
Of course we're going to end up selling him to a European club before the continental windows close in September: we NEVER get to have all the nice toys at once. Duh.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

What a couple of months! I am genuinely shattered from the experience but also optimistic for this season. Some things of note:

RS, GLC and TN are all players Poch has wanted for some time and now he has them

We had suitable plan B players in PC and BF- there was a clear strategy at work here

Dybala didn’t happen because of a third party legal issue- lots of sources confirm he was committed to us. While we’ve been linked to top tier players before, this one was genuine. Our stock is high

TN and GLC were also committed to us; despite the efforts of their clubs to initiate a bidding war, no other club seemed to stand in our way

The players we’ve acquired are tactically versatile and technically able. With TN and GLC (and Winks), we have players who are capable of beating teams pressing us high up the pitch. Poch favours playing out from the back- one of our weaknesses last season- and we should be better at this now

In JC and RS, we have exciting teenagers with bags of potential who will benefit from playing with quality players over the next few years

It seems we recognise that the right back position will need upgrading, something that may happen over the next two windows

Eriksen’s future remains an issue. A committed Eriksen with a new contract would make a very good window an exceptional one. Delighted he turned down Utd, but things are still unclear

A massive thanks to all the mods on this amazing site, especially the outrageously patient @Archibald&Crooks

Right, now I’m off for some much needed rehab

 

[Supersi32]

Be interesting to see how Poch views the transfer window in his presser tomorrow....he's got to be smiling, happy Poch....right?

 

[DiamondLites]

People are bemoaning the lack of FB signings, which my be valid but if you look at the teams around us none of the are particularly blessed in the FB area - city won the league with Zinchenko/Delph and Walker/ Danilo, Liverpool have 2 good starters but zero quality back ups, Arsenal have an unproven Tierney from the Scottish league and at this rate will be starting the season with Jenkinson at RB. Chelsea have a plethora of average full backs, Alonso is atrocious defensively and Azpilicueta. Utd have spent a lot on AWB who is promising, and I’m not convinced Shaw will ever be top level standard

I’d take a pool KWP/Aurier/Foyth and Rose/Sessegnon/Davies to pick from over any of our rivals to be honest

 

[rossdapep]

Did we ever have the reveal of the cryptic from last month?

 

[Gareth88]

Did we ever have the reveal of the cryptic from last month?

Or what @daveduvet was banging on about?

 

[Dillspur]

I think they are superior defensively full stop, including GK, FB's & CB's. Agree that we edge it in midfield now and nothing to choose between our forward options. There's certainy not a lot in it either way.

Disagree. Keeper is IMO marginal, Allison made a lot of mistakes that he got away with last year.

Fullbacks they take it, VVD is better than Toby and Jan but whomever they play next to him are not better than Jan or Toby. Defensively it's close, and with our new midfield we will be stronger in defense. I don't think we're far behind them