The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - GOING UNDERGROUND 25th January

[Buster18]

A Warning for all those that want Hooper. This is Anthony Stokes record. Look at his stats England vs Scotland. Hooper is a bad mistake.

Years Team

Apps†​

(Gls)†​

2005–2007 Arsenal

0​

(0)​

2006–2007 → Falkirk (loan)

16​

(14)​

2007–2009 Sunderland

36​

(3)​

2008–2009 → Sheffield United (loan)

12​

(0)​

2009 → Crystal Palace (loan)

13​

(1)​

2009–2010 Hibernian

40​

(22)​

2010– Celtic

65​

(26​

​

Stats are as always misleading. Stokes is no more than a championship player at best. Stokes is an off the shoulder type striker who can't play with his back to goal which is why he never starts big games. Hooper on the other hand has far more about him.

I'm not saying that we should sign him but stats only tell a small part of the story.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

If we're going down the route of disingenuous stats, how about Goals in the Champions League? Including qualifiers, Hooper has 4, Stokes has none.

In fact, including qualifiers, if he stays at Celtic, at the end of this season Gary Hooper will have played more Champions League football than Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

A Warning for all those that want Hooper. This is Anthony Stokes record. Look at his stats England vs Scotland. Hooper is a bad mistake.

Years Team ​

Apps†​

(Gls)†​

2005–2007 Arsenal

0​

(0)​

2006–2007 → Falkirk (loan)

16​

(14)​

2007–2009 Sunderland

36​

(3)​

2008–2009 → Sheffield United (loan)

12​

(0)​

2009 → Crystal Palace (loan)

13​

(1)​

2009–2010 Hibernian

40​

(22)​

2010– Celtic

65​

(26​

this is almost ridiculous - how are the stats of one player indicative of how a different player will fare?

 

[RichSpur58]

If we're going down the route of disingenuous stats, how about Goals in the Champions League? Including qualifiers, Hooper has 4, Stokes has none.

In fact, including qualifiers, if he stays at Celtic, at the end of this season Gary Hooper will have played more Champions League football than Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

sample size too small. could just be a blip. If he played 60 games and scored 20/30 then yeah, buy him.

 

[ecce_tottenham]

It doesn't matter what we would have offered him, he wanted Juve. Get over it.

Damn - I meant to agree. Sorry man.

 

[RichSpur58]

this is almost ridiculous - how are the stats of one player indicative of how a different player will fare?

what it shows is the standard of scottish football. Stokes couldn't score for arsenal. gets a goal a game for falkirk in SPL. then moves to palace, sunderland and sheff united. couldnt score goals. moves to hibs, get a goal every 2 games, moves to celtic same, goal every two games.

Can I make it any clearer how bad the level of football is in Scotland? Its league one standard.

 

[RichSpur58]

According to the uefa co efficients, Scotland is 24th best league in europe. Of course in reality its even worse, because the 2nd division of the top football countries is stronger.

The argument of dutch and portuguese players making it isnt a good one since both leagues are pretty high up the list. Big big mistake to sing Hooper IMO.


#country08/0909/1010/1111/1212/13rankingteams
1 Spain 13.312 17.928 18.214 20.857 13.857 84.168 6/ 7
2 England 15.000 17.928 18.357 15.250 11.142 77.677 6/ 7
3 Germany 12.687 18.083 15.666 15.250 13.357 75.043 7/ 7
4 Italy 11.375 15.428 11.571 11.357 10.750 60.481 5/ 6
5 France 11.000 15.000 10.750 10.500 10.083 57.333 3/ 6
6 Portugal 6.785 10.000 18.800 11.833 8.750 56.168 2/ 6
7 Ukraine 16.625 5.800 10.083 7.750 8.833 49.091 4/ 6
8 Netherlands 6.333 9.416 11.166 13.600 3.928 44.443 1/ 7
9 Russia 9.750 6.166 10.916 9.750 7.083 43.665 3/ 6
10 Belgium 4.500 8.700 4.600 10.100 6.300 34.200 1/ 5
11 Greece 6.500 7.900 7.600 7.600 4.400 34.000 1/ 5
12 Turkey 7.000 7.600 4.600 5.100 6.400 30.700 2/ 5
13 Cyprus 6.333 4.250 3.125 9.125 4.000 26.833
14 Switzerland 2.900 5.750 5.900 6.000 6.125 26.675 1/ 4
15 Denmark 8.200 4.400 6.700 3.100 3.300 25.700 5
16 Austria 2.250 9.375 4.375 7.125 2.250 25.375 4
17 Israel 1.750 7.250 4.625 6.000 3.250 22.875 4
18 Czech Republic 2.375 4.100 3.500 5.250 7.000 22.225 2/ 4
19 Romania 2.642 6.083 3.166 4.333 6.000 22.224 2/ 5
20 Poland 5.000 2.125 4.500 6.625 2.500 20.750 4
21 Belarus 4.000 3.375 5.875 3.125 4.250 20.625 1/ 4
22 Croatia 4.333 3.000 4.125 3.750 4.375 19.583 4
23 Sweden 2.500 2.500 2.600 2.900 5.125 15.625 4
24 Scotland 1.875 2.666 3.600 2.750 4.300 15.191 1/ 5
25 Serbia 3.000 3.000 3.500 2.125 3.000 14.625 4
26 Slovakia 4.833 2.500 3.000 2.375 1.500 14.208 4
27 Norway 2.500 2.100 2.375 2.300 4.900 14.175 5