The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Day After

[spark7586]

According to SSN Harry wants to try and sign charlie adam in the summer?? what the fluff?? im sure you will all agree that he is no way near as good as modric and hudd so why do we need him and why are we bidding for parker and neville!!! (although spurs do have to sign a RB every window) harry seems to have reached his peak with getting forth but he just doesnt seem to know where to go from here imo...surely he can see that crouch is horrendous and cant hit a barn door all of these strikers should have been approached before the window opened instead of waiting till the last day to sign another midfielder.

 

[slewis1972]

The whole Liverpool and Chelsea buying spree has not helped us and others long term as its put the price up for a decent striker

 

[ravo]

Everyone has made valid points here, so I won't try to wade in with another list.

I'll just sum up my feelings by saying I'm very disappointed, but we will be OK. There's nothing we can do now but get behind the guys we now need to trust with the rest of our season.

COYS

+1 repped :clap:

 

[trifon]

We've missed big on Suarez, you'll see. Boy is fire. Something completely different than lethargic Russian donkey.

 

[leelee]

I don't know why it was reported we had made bids for Aguero, Llorente, Carroll and Forlan in one day. Talk about the laughing stock of Europe!

I was under the impression most business is done before we put in an 'official bid'. We should have tested the water before making any bids to make sure, 1. The selling club will accept terms and 2, The player actually wants to come. And if we didn't bid, put up an official announcement on the club website refuting the claims.

The media would have us think that 4 players refused to come to wHL yesterday. If this is the case i'm very worried!!

One thing is certain though with the amount of bids we made for strikers yesterday the current crop we have should need no further kick up the backside. Deliver or you're out in the summer.

 

[Darbinho]

We know the squad we have to work with. We know the two competitions that we need to compete in. We know our strengths and weaknesses and we know that if our current squad performs they are good enough to beat almost anyone. Lets stop with the negativity and give the rest of this season our best shot. Imagine the satisfaction of lording it over Man City or Chelsea fans (even Liverpool fans) if we finish above them given the difference in spending this window.

 

[Matt C]

I have given up any hope of 4th this season (thanks Harry / Levy), 5th is very unlikely now thanks to Liverpool massively upgrading and I wouldn't put our chances holding off Sunderland at any more than 50/50 unless some miracle happens with Crouch and Defoe if I am honest so for fucks sake Levy/Harry identify the targets for the summer NOW, bid for them the day the window OPENS not the fucking day it closes.

 

[vonn]

If I see anything I will do. Not seen the Dragon1 stuff though...

From page 6 of this thread :

This was posted by Dragon1 (ITK on COYS) just now. Could explain conflicting info from various itk's (who I still think I would rather have than be driven out by the unwarranted abuse):

"making cl was our chance,completely ballsed last two windows,offering £250,000 on last day of window for neville sums levy up,as it happens i like phil neville but we want him offer £2 million and do the deal the lad was happy to come,harry did great last season but take away inter and blackburn at home and villa away we have been poor this term,to say bale and rafa have carried us would be a huge understatement,the balance of team is completely wrong,5 of our front are midgets on sunday.

Knowing a bit more than most of you about what goes on harry still thinks hes at portsmouth,our scouting network is pethetic,charlie adam and neville on final day of window tells you all you need to know,there was one transfer last week where,harry,bond and the chief scout changed there minds continually until in end we were gazumped it was shambolic.

Carroll was hugely overpriced but what we needed,i was at our game at st james last week,the way ashley has plastered sports op over main entrance and main stand in bright red shows what he thinks of the geordies the bloke couldnt give a monkeys,it was clear he would not be concerned over backlash of selling carroll,we should have done that deal last week and newcastle would have been better placed to replace Carroll

What levy dont get is that the strikers who would have come in the last two windows will now not come in the summer cos we will not be offering cl football again

we need serious investment on pitch and to build npd,i pray we dont get the os cos be under no illusions we will 100% move its levys dream ticket and he will sell club for fortune once we do,i want jose in summer,he will leave real and loves the premiership,united,city and scum jobs are not available,cant see him getting back with roman and hopefully king kenny will stay at scouse"

 

[nickchrissi]

i dont dispute the wages we can offer are an issue.
i dont dispute that the stadium is small.
i dont dispute that paying 35 / 50 million for players like carroll /torres is ridiculous.

however making 10.50pm bids for charlie adam is derogatory to charlie and derogatory to us as fans .
however making 250,000 bids for evertons club captain are derogatory to phil neville/ everton and us as fans.
however taking 2 transfer windows to get a striker is not acceptable.
if we cant get the forlans agueros etc then move on.
if we decide we are buying youth to find the next big thing then we should have bought a wickham or a chamberlain.
we havnt decided wat we want.
liverpool got 50 million for torres and overpaid for carroll but at least torres was replaced.and carroll is scoring in this league this year.
we sold berbatov for 32.5 million -he was never replaced with that money and he is now top scorer in the league.
we need to decide what we are as a club.
A:buy youth and find superstars or sell on for bigger fees
B:a serious club who want to compete and win trophies
C:buy aging experienced players who might be cheaper and see what happens

we have no policy,no strategy(it seems),a poor scouting system and poor developement of youth players that are bought or come through the academy.

wilshire,chichrarito,caroll,chamakh, etc

other teams are able to buy good players cheap ie chamakh or chicharito
or find gems like wilshire,carroll,vela,sturridge,micah richards,

bar bale(who looked like he was on the way out) and lennon we have murdered the careers of some promising young players.

Defoe or Carroll? JERMAINE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK

Pav or Suarez? At the moment Pav because he's proven in this league and the CL but Suarez COULD turn out to be the better player.

Scouse just spunked £60m on two average, potentially good strikers.

 

[Matt C]

Defoe or Carroll? JERMAINE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK

Pav or Suarez? At the moment Pav because he's proven in this league and the CL but Suarez COULD turn out to be the better player.

Scouse just spunked £60m on two average, potentially good strikers.

Carroll will be talked about in 5 years time as maybe the best centre forward in the world, he is far better at 22 than Shearer was and look how Shearer turned out, fees of £50-60m will be talked about in terms of him, wouldn't be surprised if he gets 25+ goals next season

He is a combination of Shearer and Berbatov with a bit of Mark Hughes thrown in and it is a fuck up of all fuck ups that we didn't get him

The £35m will turn out to be a snip

 

[arnoldlayne]

If I see anything I will do. Not seen the Dragon1 stuff though...

sorry - posted by me earlier in this thread

 

[ziggy]

Not sure i really understand this one either.

We needed a DM and a Striker with window and we got another LM, which must have pissed off Kranjcar somewhat. Not exactly adding to the squad with that one...

Yes but he was cheap :wink:

 

[KingNick]

Carroll will be talked about in 5 years time as maybe the best centre forward in the world, he is far better at 22 than Shearer was and look how Shearer turned out, fees of £50-60m will be talked about in terms of him, wouldn't be surprised if he gets 25+ goals next season

He is a combination of Shearer and Berbatov with a bit of Mark Hughes thrown in and it is a fuck up of all fuck ups that we didn't get him

The £35m will turn out to be a snip

So we are no worse than Chelsea or Man City for missing out on him either then. They had the cash but chose not to sign him.

Looks like not everyone rates Duncan Ferguson II as much as you do.

 

[andyw362]

What a load of crap. We've spent more than almost any other club in the PL over the last 3 seasons.

Sorry but that it total rubbish. We had the money to spend and we didn't.

Also this Phil Neville thing is a fucking disgrace. How pathetic does that make us look. Offering £250,000 for the captain of any PL club is just a complete joke. Levy and Harry really embarrassed themselves this IMO.

100%. Embarassed the club and the fans.

 

[Matrix]

totally agree with the above, and also about the wage structure. We just can't compete for players on £100k+ a week

Then why go for those type of strikers?

Go for ones in the second tier who are on their way to becoming world class. Surely that's why we have scouts?
Harry needs to drop his small time mentality and think bigger.
1/4 million for Neville on the last day? Get real. We are on the verge of something big not scraping relegation, so think like that.

 

[Misfit]

Carroll will be talked about in 5 years time as maybe the best centre forward in the world, he is far better at 22 than Shearer was and look how Shearer turned out, fees of £50-60m will be talked about in terms of him, wouldn't be surprised if he gets 25+ goals next season

He is a combination of Shearer and Berbatov with a bit of Mark Hughes thrown in and it is a fuck up of all fuck ups that we didn't get him

The £35m will turn out to be a snip

mg: Easy tiger. All of us share at least a little disappointment about no upgrade on our striking options but...

Having said that I think he'll turn out to be a success for Pool. Good strong player with a lot of potential still. Maybe in 5 yrs the price will seem reasonable. It might not, however.

 

[Misfit]

So we are no worse than Chelsea or Man City for missing out on him either then. They had the cash but chose not to sign him.

Looks like not everyone rates Duncan Ferguson II as much as you do.

Chelsea - Torres, City - Dzeko.

The both already had superior forward lines anyway but strengthened further.

 

[SuperSpurs69]

Then why go for those type of strikers?

Go for ones in the second tier who are on their way to becoming world class. Surely that's why we have scouts?
Harry needs to drop his small time mentality and think bigger.
1/4 million for Neville on the last day? Get real. We are on the verge of something big not scraping relegation, so think like that.

oh i totally agree. we were never in with a chance for auguero, i don't know what he's on at the moment but when chelsea were interested a couple of summers back he wanted £200k a week, i wouldn't be surprised if he's on £125k or more already at atletico.

will help once we ship off keane permanently as he's on over £60k a week, free up a bit of cash.

 

[worcestersauce]

i dont dispute the wages we can offer are an issue.
i dont dispute that the stadium is small.
i dont dispute that paying 35 / 50 million for players like carroll /torres is ridiculous.

however making 10.50pm bids for charlie adam is derogatory to charlie and derogatory to us as fans .
however making 250,000 bids for evertons club captain are derogatory to phil neville/ everton and us as fans.
however taking 2 transfer windows to get a striker is not acceptable.
if we cant get the forlans agueros etc then move on.
if we decide we are buying youth to find the next big thing then we should have bought a wickham or a chamberlain.
we havnt decided wat we want.
liverpool got 50 million for torres and overpaid for carroll but at least torres was replaced.and carroll is scoring in this league this year.
we sold berbatov for 32.5 million -he was never replaced with that money and he is now top scorer in the league.
we need to decide what we are as a club.
A:buy youth and find superstars or sell on for bigger fees
B:a serious club who want to compete and win trophies
C:buy aging experienced players who might be cheaper and see what happens

we have no policy,no strategy(it seems),a poor scouting system and poor developement of youth players that are bought or come through the academy.

wilshire,chichrarito,caroll,chamakh, etc

other teams are able to buy good players cheap ie chamakh or chicharito
or find gems like wilshire,carroll,vela,sturridge,micah richards,

bar bale(who looked like he was on the way out) and lennon we have murdered the careers of some promising young players.

Except maybe Huddlestone & Dawson, probably Caulker and perhaps Walker, does Benoit count too or not and what about Robbie Keane wasn't he only 21 or 22 when we bought him? I suppose that's about it though ooh ooh wait what about Sandro?

I feel your pain but as I see it the bottom line is that we are too good to buy what we've been buying and we are competing with the very top clubs for what need now, it's hard but we're playing for high stakes now and with that the pain of losing is more acute, although the pleasure of winning is so much better.
The fact is that we are going for top players and we will get some, not all but some, we all laughed at Man City when they bid for Kaka but I have a feeling he may just have gone there had it been this last window.

 

[KingNick]

Chelsea - Torres, City - Dzeko.

The both already had superior forward lines anyway but strengthened further.

My point was that Matt was making out that we had missed out on a player who will turn out to be phenomenal but Man City and Chelsea both looked elsewhere when buyiong a new striker. If he was a good as Matt made out they'd have signed him instead.