The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE LAST DAY! 1st September 2014

[ohwhenthespurs]

And the fact they offer CL football can pay him 100k and are a lot better side than us !

And that Arsenal had actually made an offer for him and had it accepted.

 

[thebetamaxboy]

And when we are in 6th and haven't taken a point off any of the top 4 come April ? Who does the calling out then ?

I honestly hope we are wrong but let's see how people feel once Lloris and vertonghen, erikssen leave. I'm basing my prediction on our form, we lost berbatov, carrick, bale, modric... Others have a decent season whereby Poch got southampton to 8th. The gap between 16th and 8th is dwarfed by 7th to 4th ... I think Poch is a very good coach and will get us to 5th/6th but he's not a magician. Glass ceiling and all that and we are because of foolish decisions the wrong side of it.

 

[dwayne-mooney]

See yesterday, I was so busy that dealing with your constant off-topic bleating kept getting pushed back in the list of things to do. But now i've got time on my hands, you've refreshed my memory. I've decided I don't want you in here any more.

Shut up is not an acceptable response.

I'm not the one who should be banned.

Politics huh.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I honestly hope we are wrong but let's see how people feel once Lloris and vertonghen, erikssen leave. I'm basing my prediction on our form, we lost berbatov, carrick, bale, modric... Others have a decent season whereby Poch got southampton to 8th. The gap between 16th and 8th is dwarfed by 7th to 4th ... I think Poch is a very good coach and will get us to 5th/6th but he's not a magician. Glass ceiling and all that and we are because of foolish decisions the wrong side of it.

Poch is happy with the squad so what foolish decisions are you talking of?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Shut up is not an acceptable response.

I'm not the one who should be banned.

Politics huh.

You felt offended by "Shut up"?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I am just trying to understand why Poch has such a huge hard on for Jay Rod. I understand he is a good player, not amazing, but good and I understand that he obviously worked very well within Potch's desired system at Southampton but surely there must be other players, younger players with maybe higher potential that we could maybe look towards instead. I am not bothered about our transfer window, on the whole we did what we needed to do as best we could. Yes our attack needed strengthening and that didn't happen, but really we needed to loose players and rebuild our defence and we did that on very little money. I personally think the only player we badly missed out on is Depay, I think he would have been the perfect final piece to our attacking midfield. He is young, fast, good on the ball and can score, essentially he has everything to be a world class winger in the next few years. But we seemingly decided not to peruse him which brings me back to Jay Rod. One ITK said Depay refused to come to us but personally I don't buy that, I find it more plausible that Poch, although liking Depay, only had eyes for Jay Rod and said to Levy he wanted to get him in Jan regardless of who we get now. Hopefully this move works out and Rod comes back to full strength and we manage to get him in Jan but I can't say this, seemingly, one track mind does cause me a little bit of concern. Still, one step at a time, we are not a top four team at the moment so we shouldn't judge ourselves against them, let's just see what Poch can do with the good team we have now.

 

[eddiev14]

One of the biggest issue with the transfer window is that we always have to wait two weeks for the next game to get it out of our systems!

 

[danielneeds]

I am just trying to understand why Poch has such a huge hard on for Jay Rod. I understand he is a good player, not amazing, but good and I understand that he obviously worked very well within Potch's desired system at Southampton but surely there must be other players, younger players with maybe higher potential that we could maybe look towards instead. I am not bothered about our transfer window, on the whole we did what we needed to do as best we could. Yes our attack needed strengthening and that didn't happen, but really we needed to loose players and rebuild our defence and we did that on very little money. I personally think the only player we badly missed out on is Depay, I think he would have been the perfect final piece to our attacking midfield. He is young, fast, good on the ball and can score, essentially he has everything to be a world class winger in the next few years. But we seemingly decided not to peruse him which brings me back to Jay Rod. One ITK said Depay refused to come to us but personally I don't buy that, I find it more plausible that Poch, although liking Depay, only had eyes for Jay Rod and said to Levy he wanted to get him in Jan regardless of who we get now. Hopefully this move works out and Rod comes back to full strength and we manage to get him in Jan but I can't say this, seemingly, one track mind doesn't cause me a little bit of concern. Still, one step at a time, we are not a top four team at the moment so we shouldn't judge ourselves against them, let's just see what Poch can do with the good team we have now.

I'll give you 3 -
He was on course to score 20 goals from wide forward.
He's got genuine pace.
He embraced the pressing to the upmost.

 

[theslowcentury]

I'm feeling reasonably optimistic - we need to let the coach do his job and develop the players he has rather than get too upset about not buying world class talent off the shelf (as it were). Plus in my opinion we've upgraded the defence enough that Sunday should seem like an anomaly soon enough. Fingers crossed!

 

[Sasha75]

We cant expect much this year i dont think We have enough goals in us Our front line is average i would expect to finish 7/8th this season and see what happens next.

But with the same frontline we finished 5th so can't really see why that shouldn't be what we are looking at and anything else is a bonus, Everton where dark horses last year but this time round different proposition as everybody won't take them so lightly and United are in the same place we were last season with so many new players, new manager new style of play.

 

[thebetamaxboy]

Poch is happy with the squad so what foolish decisions are you talking of?

I'm talking over the last few seasons under ENICS tenure ..Lack of cementing a regular CL spot by strengthening the team at the right time when we had the pull of the top tier competition. Lack of bringing a striker of quality to secure a top four finish under Harry Redknapp whilst sitting in 3rd ..Leading to loss of Bale, Taking over a decade to even lay a single brick for the new stadium. Hiring new managers and not backing them with even one 'first choice' signing they want. Running a seasons campaign with glaring gaps in the team (namely left back last season). I want some answers from the board as to why we are run in this fashion ... If they just say it's because of the new stadium then fine, tell us, I feel we have reached the end of the road under ENIC and we are falling away.

 

[dwayne-mooney]

You felt offended by "Shut up"?

Saying it every time you hear something that doesn't float your boat doesn't make for a great forum genius.

 

[Topeka]

And the fact they offer CL football can pay him 100k and are a lot better side than us !

Is it out of the ordinary here for Spurs fans to be praising the Scum!

 

[Dirty Ewok]

I am just trying to understand why Poch has such a huge hard on for Jay Rod. I understand he is a good player, not amazing, but good and I understand that he obviously worked very well within Potch's desired system at Southampton but surely there must be other players, younger players with maybe higher potential that we could maybe look towards instead. I am not bothered about our transfer window, on the whole we did what we needed to do as best we could. Yes our attack needed strengthening and that didn't happen, but really we needed to loose players and rebuild our defence and we did that on very little money. I personally think the only player we badly missed out on is Depay, I think he would have been the perfect final piece to our attacking midfield. He is young, fast, good on the ball and can score, essentially he has everything to be a world class winger in the next few years. But we seemingly decided not to peruse him which brings me back to Jay Rod. One ITK said Depay refused to come to us but personally I don't buy that, I find it more plausible that Poch, although liking Depay, only had eyes for Jay Rod and said to Levy he wanted to get him in Jan regardless of who we get now. Hopefully this move works out and Rod comes back to full strength and we manage to get him in Jan but I can't say this, seemingly, one track mind doesn't cause me a little bit of concern. Still, one step at a time, we are not a top four team at the moment so we shouldn't judge ourselves against them, let's just see what Poch can do with the good team we have now.

From what i have pieced together the thing with J-Rod and why Poch wants him is as much his attitude as his talent. Probably, in actuality, his attitude may even carry more weight than his talent.

Everything i have seen about him is that he has a monster work ethic and a genuinely great attitude about training, he was a guy that people said "well he has some talent" but under Poch he seemed to work and work and get better with each match.

He is the type of player that every manager loves having around, he is the type of guy that you can run into the ground every day of the week and he never bitches, he never talks back, never has anything negative to say and shows up every single day without a change in his attitude, his only reaction he has is "how can i get better and how can i help the squad get better?"

Now he certainly isn't the only player with this type of attitude but he is a guy with that attitude who has some talent and plays a position that we need help at and loves our manager so it makes sense to me that Poch would want him around.

Not saying the others wouldn't be better players and that J-Rod will fix everything....but i could see why he would want him.

 

[Jonesywasbestever]

Is it out of the ordinary here for Spurs fans to be praising the Scum!

Difficult subject but you only have to check the league tables for the past too many seasons. So honesty is the best policy, otherwise it's cloud cookoo land.

 

[sloth]

No one knows the answers to all this, so it's time people on both sides get off their high horse and stop talking down to people. General consensus is that we did ok points wise last season despite being poorly coached and we believe Poch is the right man to lead us. Time to just support him and the team and hope for the best.

The point you make here is the point many of us have been making for days. I talk down when people act like spoilt brats and pretend they know the answers to these questions and that they must be negative, and when they clearly haven't a fucking clue about how our club is run, funded, or what the strategy is and yet feel completely free to shout their ignorance ad infinitum. Sometimes this place is less a community and more a creche full of screaming toddlers.

 

[sloth]

Forgive me for hoping to see my team have the best chance of performing on the pitch rather than look forward to the glorious sale of the club.

That £10m funnelled towards that cause will help our campaign a lot more than having Sandro as a squad option for example.

The sale of the club only matters to us insofar as that in order to achieve their objectives the owners need us to be massively successful on the pitch.

I think you probably got that though...

 

[CowInAComa]

If you told me a month ago i would see grown men crying over not signing Danny Welbeck I would have laughed at you.

 

[shelfboy68]

But with the same frontline we finished 5th so can't really see why that shouldn't be what we are looking at and anything else is a bonus, Everton where dark horses last year but this time round different proposition as everybody won't take them so lightly and United are in the same place we were last season with so many new players, new manager new style of play.

Last year was sixth however we will No chance of competing with the top four they all have at least one world class striker We have None.
We probably couldnt even buy falcao We he gets to 39 let alone try to buy top talent they want big competing clubs and wages leaves us out unless we get än arab or a russian not likely of course.

 

[sloth]

I think this is the big positive to take from this, but the caveat being Poch needs to be given time and support by Levy all season to slowly build us up again. Only problem is no one can be sure he will, history certainly doesn't suggest that...

Hoddle - understandable choice, but Hoddle's insistence on buying over 30s and sticking with the 3-5-2 meant he wasn't right for our club. arguably could have been given longer though.
Santini - shit choice by Levy, glad he resigned.
Jol - fruits of Levy's choice of Arnesen, good appointment, lasted three and a half years, let him go when it was clear his coaching wasn't going to push on to the next level.
Ramos - understandable choice, but didn't work out, imo should have been given longer, but most agreed with his sacking.
Redknapp - imo wrong choice for us, but most would disagree with that, lasted three and half years, and imo was sacked because (mainly) Lewis and Levy lost faith that Redknapp's well known penchant for putting his own career first would continue to correlate with success for THFC. Controversial sacking.
AVB - dillied and dallied over sacking Redknapp (perhaps for good reasons) meant we missed out on their number one choice Rogers. went for AVB, who's appointment was a gamble, but an understandable one given our ambition. Was sacked when AVB's brittle personality meant he couldn't adapt to the realities of managing a club our size and with our strategy. Few would argue with the sacking.
Sherwood - interim in all but name, worth a punt and even if he turned out not to be the long-term option, his 2pts per game was as good as we could hope for from anyone we'd have got in.
Pochettino - fingers crossed on this one, the signs from Trix and others is that he gets the club and buys into our philosophy, if that's true and it's good behind the scenes, and his coaching is good, then he'll be given a lot of time to get it right imo, by Levy anyway, if not by some of the fans, who in reality tend to be the knee-jerker myopic types.