The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Weekend Edition 8/9th June 2013

[playboypaul]

How do you know that lol? If AVB wanted him and the price wasn't too bad I wouldn't be adverse, he looks really talented to me. I would back AVB's judgement for sure given my own opinion from watching him.

I'm psychic.

But on a serious note, I should have put that it is my opinion. Obviously I don't know. Also, it just seems like a Levy deal rather than an AVB one. Again, just my onion but that's the way I see it. Sherwood in Dan's ear, Dan sees profit, that's about it.

 

[whitelanefever]

It looks like another striker is about to fall by the wayside. It is being reported that Villa is on £130,000 a week. Can you honestly see DL paying those sort of wages to a 31 year old?

http://www.cartilagefreecaptain.com/2013/6/8/4409952/david-villa-tottenham-hotspur-transfer-rumours

I honestly believe villa could b to us what cantona was to utd, if u look at cantona he really never delivered for utd in Europe & he had some great games domestically & some not so but what I think was the greatest influence of his signing was that he took the pressure off the players around him & they could relax & really play bcoz b4 cantona even kicked a ball he was a hero to utd fans, we need that kind of signing that will lift the pressure on the players around him & let them express themselves. Villa could b that player & his wages could b sorted in a signing on fee or loyalty payment at end of contract

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm psychic.

But on a serious note, I should have put that it is my opinion. Obviously I don't know. Also, it just seems like a Levy deal rather than an AVB one. Again, just my onion but that's the way I see it. Sherwood in Dan's ear, Dan sees profit, that's about it.

Fair enough mate

 

[Gedson100]

Right, late night ITKers.
Most of you will never read this cos you're no doubt young and drunk right now but ANYWAY:

So I thought why McManaman, and why not Townsend?
A trot over to trusty whoscored.com (you need to look beneath the stats a bit to omit poor stats conceived via playing as a sub) reveals a few things:

Andros Townsend:
Based on his time at QPR, he is the 12th best rated player in the PL, behind only Bale, Vertonghen and Sandro of our squad.
He played a variety of positions for Harry but mainly right midfield, and had a hot spell before tailing off a bit towards the end of the season but given his style of play; free running, shooting etc WHAT'S TO SAY HE WON'T BE STARTING NEXT SEASON?
(Apart from us trying to sign a load of expensive stars.) If I was Andros Townsend, i'd be coming back expecting some good rotation, and if I had a bit of cockiness about me i'd be wanting to edge Lennon out pronto. The question remains; does he fit in our system? Indeed what system are we gonna play?

Meanwhile:

Callum McManaman:
Clearly behind Townsend in overall performance levels yet this can be tempered by the fact that he's only ever played 90 minutes twice! He really is a moderate to late blooming talent, improving fast. He has barely even gotten into the Wigan first team.
Plus points: We've seen he can perform in a big game. (You can't even get that guaranteed from Ronaldo! )
Also, (as Yojambo has alluded to already) he played all of his matches on the right of a front 3 last year. He understands and operates within the fabled AVB 4-3-3. His passing stats are better than Townsend's too but this could be due to Townsend's shooting. All other obvious parameters, Townsend scores higher, but again, game time is key here.

Intriguingly, Townsend and McManaman's key traits are almost identical, they both can run with the ball, work hard defensively and are slightly let down by passing and crossing accuracy but can be forgiven flaws somewhat having completed under 15 Premiership matches between them. These are two young players finding their feet in the Premiership world.
We've got form, we signed Naughton and Walker together, i'd not be surprised to see these two in our squad next year, and both have the potential to improve to a standard required; what is that standard?

Better than Lennon.

 

[Snarfalicious]

All things considered, with the PL wingers we've been linked to, I'd probably prefer Kacaniklic. I think he's just got a better overall game/ceiling and could be more of what we need in terms of formation versatility.

 

[Spursidol]

How do you know that lol? If AVB wanted him and the price wasn't too bad I wouldn't be adverse, he looks really talented to me. I would back AVB's judgement for sure given my own opinion from watching him.

Just doesn't seem likely to me

Surely our priority is striker(s) one preeferably who can play a winger/striker role and a creative CM.

Doesn't smell like an AVB deal to me but if he's rated by our coaching team could see him being bought - if he is cheap - to be developed (probably on loan) and moved on unless he proves to be good.

With Bale, Lennon, Townsend and others like Falque, Ceballos and Pritchard why would we go for him - an Isco or Bernard is a good upgrade on all but Bale, but McMannaman is not a guranteed upgrade on Lennon or Townsend.

 

[Mr Pink]

Just doesn't seem likely to me

Surely our priority is striker(s) one preeferably who can play a winger/striker role and a creative CM.

Doesn't smell like an AVB deal to me but if he's rated by our coaching team could see him being bought - if he is cheap - to be developed (probably on loan) and moved on unless he proves to be good.

With Bale, Lennon, Townsend and others like Falque, Ceballos and Pritchard why would we go for him - an Isco or Bernard is a good upgrade on all but Bale, but McMannaman is not a guranteed upgrade on Lennon or Townsend.

Not sure mate. If AVB thinks so I won't be complaining - if its not on the money, no biggie.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Right, late night ITKers.
Andros Townsend:
Based on his time at QPR, he is the 12th best rated player in the PL, behind only Bale, Vertonghen and Sandro of our squad.
.

Just HAD TO highlight that part of your post. Doesn't that just show how god damn fucking immense Sandro is? Plays HALF A SEASON, still above the 12th best rated player in the PL. What an absolute & unquestionable legend that guy is!!

I'll read the rest of your post now

 

[arunspurs]

Townsend is more of player who tries to beat the defender running at them. He has been terrific doing this at QPR last season. Also his right footed crosses has also improved. He still raw & not clinical in front of goal.

Mcmanaman plays along the line and is quick & and a better finisher front of the goal. He is more of a 4-3-3 wing forward than a out & out winger.

Who do we need We need both the qualities - ability to beat the man in wing & when given chance be clicnical front of net.

To me, its neither - I would go for Tom Ince, who has both these qualities. Only disadvantage for him is he has never played in PL. But then these 2 also just played 6 months of consistent PL football.

At 6m, Tom Ince would be a great signing -could play in 4-4-2, 4-3-3 & also has ability to play behind striker in 4-4-1-1

 

[KaribYid]

It looks like another striker is about to fall by the wayside. It is being reported that Villa is on £130,000 a week. Can you honestly see DL paying those sort of wages to a 31 year old?

http://www.cartilagefreecaptain.com/2013/6/8/4409952/david-villa-tottenham-hotspur-transfer-rumours

It's actually 130k EUROS a week

 

[WiganSpur]

McManaman is a better finisher than people are giving him credit for. He started out as a striker and is very capable in front of goal.

 

[Spursidol]

Townsend is more of player who tries to beat the defender running at them. He has been terrific doing this at QPR last season. Also his right footed crosses has also improved. He still raw & not clinical in front of goal.

Mcmanaman plays along the line and is quick & and a better finisher front of the goal. He is more of a 4-3-3 wing forward than a out & out winger.

Who do we need We need both the qualities - ability to beat the man in wing & when given chance be clicnical front of net.

To me, its neither - I would go for Tom Ince, who has both these qualities. Only disadvantage for him is he has never played in PL. But then these 2 also just played 6 months of consistent PL football.

At 6m, Tom Ince would be a great signing -could play in 4-4-2, 4-3-3 & also has ability to play behind striker in 4-4-1-1

Huge difference in experience.

 

[Ossie85]

Sorry for bringing other non-ITK names into the hat but what happened to Ganso as we were linked with him in the past and was seemingly the next big thing to come out of Brazil yet it appears he never fulfilled his early promise although I hasten to add my knowledge of Brazilian football is slight.

Point is, is Bernard just the latest 'fad' or does he possess that star quality to make it in Europe?

Ganso is a luxury player. A creative attacking mid like van der vaart, but slower and taller. Not a good match for the EPL imo.
Bernard on the other hand is small, very quick and full of tricks. Reminds me of Juninho, the one that played for Boro

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Huge difference in experience.

But when he reaches their age, in 2 years time?

 

[Spursidol]

McManaman is a better finisher than people are giving him credit for. He started out as a striker and is very capable in front of goal.

McManaman scored 2 goals in 8 starts and 18 sub appearances in PL. So not really a proven PL finisher - Townsend scored twice on loan fir QPR too.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Well peeps, any transfer news? OMG I. Am absolutely mangled, think I just got a lift from Pinkys taxi driver...

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Ganso is a luxury player. A creative attacking mid like van der vaart, but slower and taller. Not a good match for the EPL imo.
Bernard on the other hand is small, very quick and full of tricks. Reminds me of Juninho, the one that played for Boro

..... Cue Spam & WTF ratings

 

[Spursidol]

But when he reaches their age, in 2 years time?

Yes biut at the moment Ince has no experience - so if Ince was bought the next year or two would be spent on loan getting similar experience to that which McManaman and Townsend have now

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Well peeps, any transfer news? OMG I. Am absolutely mangled, think I just got a lift from Pinkys taxi driver...

SHIT HOT!! The club is joined .. I'm sure you enjoyed your taxi ride & made Shaun(a) very happy indeed

 

[Blackrat1299]

It's actually 130k EUROS a week

Its not in this article, where did you read 130,000 Euros?