The Daniel Levy thread

[John48]

As far as what happens on the pitch you'd have to say yes.

You can make a good argument that everything off the pitch is great, but when he finally gets a manager worth supporting he yet again fails to deliver.

 

[CowInAComa]

Would you consider the return on investment of a striker like Armstrong a lot worse than, Clive Allen, Teddy Sheringham or Steve Archibald?

You need to look at what Armstrong actually achieved when he wore a Spurs shirt, in what was generally a very poor Spurs team compared to the players mentioned above.

At the time it was 4.5 million well spent. You would have made more sense in your post quoting George Graham buying Rebrov, than the Mullet buying Armstrong.

Why are you comparing Sheringham, Clive Allen and Archibald to Chris Armstrong.

Loon.

 

[Sevens]

I think Levy has done brilliantly but it does appear he makes the same mistakes again and again and at times he isnt really learning from them

I can sum it up by saying no one is above or beyond criticism. These guys make £1m plua a year and as such surely they should be held to account. We are stakeholders we have an interest and when things dont appear to be going well off the pitch or on the pitch then it is right that questions are asked.

He is not making mistakes. His loyalty lies, first and foremost, with ENIC. Therefore his primary goal is to protect ENIC's investment. Up to a point that means the goals of ENIC and Spurs are aligned. But only up to a point. Beyond that point it becomes a simple risk analysis ratio.

This is why you'll see less investment in the Spurs squad when we are doing well and more when we are doing badly.

For example, Levy loosened he purse strings when it looked like we may be relegated in 2008/09.He tightened the purse strings the season after we qualified for the Champion's League.

The logic is simple. Protect the investment. Levy needs to ensure there is a profit, not just a break even. Levy needs to ensure Spurs make a substantial profit from the Champion's League and TV revenue. He also knows that reinvesting heavily in the squad won't lead to guaranteed success. Therefore, you won't see us do it. The safe option will always be the prudent option. They'll simply use a cost/benefit ratio to determine how much money they are willing to spend.

We have a large amount of TV revenue and guaranteed Champion's League income. There is also a strong chance that we'll finish top six again this season. That's more than enough for ENIC. That's a win right there. It's why we never pushed on from Champion's League qualification the last time around. We banked the money instead and used it on infrastructure projects because infrastructure projects increase the value of the club, equating to more money when ENIC finally cash in on their investment.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

He is not making mistakes. His loyalty lies, first and foremost, with ENIC. Therefore his primary goal is to protect ENIC's investment. Up to a point that means the goals of ENIC and Spurs are aligned. But only up to a point. Beyond that point it becomes a simple risk analysis ratio.

This is why you'll see less investment in the Spurs squad when we are doing well and more when we are doing badly.

For example, Levy loosened he purse strings when it looked like we may be relegated in 2008/09.He tightened the purse strings the season after we qualified for the Champion's League.

The logic is simple. Protect the investment. Levy needs to ensure there is a profit, not just a break even. Levy needs to ensure Spurs make a substantial profit from the Champion's League and TV revenue. He also knows that reinvesting heavily in the squad won't lead to guaranteed success. Therefore, you won't see us do it. The safe option will always be the prudent option. They'll simply use a cost/benefit ratio to determine how much money they are willing to spend.

We have a large amount of TV revenue and guaranteed Champion's League income. There is also a strong chance that we'll finish top six again this season. That's more than enough for ENIC. That's a win right there. It's why we never pushed on from Champion's League qualification the last time around. We banked the money instead and used it on infrastructure projects because infrastructure projects increase the value of the club, equating to more money when ENIC finally cash in on their investment.

nail on head, you're either happy with that or you're not thus the continued ENIC arguments (I'm not)

 

[DogsOfWar]

As far as what happens on the pitch you'd have to say yes.

You can make a good argument that everything off the pitch is great, but when he finally gets a manager worth supporting he yet again fails to deliver.

Levy's job is to provide a transfer budget, it's up to Poch what he does with it based on his priorities.

We can probably guess this year's budget was £30-40 million.
Poch's priority was a DM and a forward so he spunked the entire budget on them.
Now, if Poch wants more players he has to sell first.
We sell Pritchard and then start arranging GKN, the pacy wide man we all wanted.
We then sell Yedlin, Chadli and Mason and we have another £30 million to spend.
Now we go after Poch's 4th/5th choice priorities, marquee AM (Isco), a tricky wide man (Zaha), another CM (Sissoko) but we will still stay within that transfer budget.

Poch may well have wanted Sissoko from the start but had we paid the £35 million that Newcastle wanted we'd have no striker.
Now we have more cash, and Newcastle may have dropped his price to sell, we are back in.

I don't see where Levy isn't supporting Poch.
It's just that they operate within the financial constraints of a well run business as opposed to a fantasy world where we spend 11 million on Wanyama, 19 on Jannssen, 11 on GKN, 25 on Zaha, 35 on Sissoko, 40 on Isco and find ourselves heavily in debt but, at least, Levy supported the manager.

 

[TURKISH69]

He is not making mistakes. His loyalty lies, first and foremost, with ENIC. Therefore his primary goal is to protect ENIC's investment. Up to a point that means the goals of ENIC and Spurs are aligned. But only up to a point. Beyond that point it becomes a simple risk analysis ratio.

This is why you'll see less investment in the Spurs squad when we are doing well and more when we are doing badly.

For example, Levy loosened he purse strings when it looked like we may be relegated in 2008/09.He tightened the purse strings the season after we qualified for the Champion's League.

The logic is simple. Protect the investment. Levy needs to ensure there is a profit, not just a break even. Levy needs to ensure Spurs make a substantial profit from the Champion's League and TV revenue. He also knows that reinvesting heavily in the squad won't lead to guaranteed success. Therefore, you won't see us do it. The safe option will always be the prudent option. They'll simply use a cost/benefit ratio to determine how much money they are willing to spend.

We have a large amount of TV revenue and guaranteed Champion's League income. There is also a strong chance that we'll finish top six again this season. That's more than enough for ENIC. That's a win right there. It's why we never pushed on from Champion's League qualification the last time around. We banked the money instead and used it on infrastructure projects because infrastructure projects increase the value of the club, equating to more money when ENIC finally cash in on their investment.

At last amongst all this dribble I finally come across someone is speaking off the same hymn sheet as me my friend. Thank you,

 

[cliff jones]

I'm 27 and whilst I'm certainly aware of our history pre-90s, I didn't experience it. I have only Sugar as a comparison, and it's only fair that Levy is assessed on the club he took over at the time, not 20/30 years beforehand.

If we were winning European silverware when Levy took over then certainly I'd view his tenure in another light. But when we did get in to the UEFA Cup (a big deal then) we couldn't scrape past a second rate German side (my first WHL Euro night...we won 1-0 in the home leg) in those days, let alone come close to actually winning it.

We need to have some perspective and remember that nobody expected us to be finishing in the top 4 before we started actually doing it. It was a closed shop. We were expected to stay at the level of Everton, VIlla, Newcastle - examples of how badly established PL teams can be run. That's the level we were at when he took over. We didn't have a one-off wonder season, or get lucky. We didn't do a Leeds and spunk a load of money on top players to enjoy some fleeting success. We built something and maintained it, using fairly limited resources. Now we're talked about in the same breath as Liverpool and Arsenal.

Regardless of the merits of finishing top 4 v winning a cup, Levy has achieved really significant things whilst he's been here, and will leave a truly lasting legacy in many ways. He'll go down extremely favourably in the club's history. People will remember Champions League football, the new stadium, the training ground, beating Chelsea in the cup final in 2008, Gareth Bale, Dele Alli, Harry Kane...they won't remember missing out on Joao Moutinho in 2012, or not signing a striker in 2015. And hopefully, they'll be remembering a couple more trophies too.

It's not only fair. In the slightest. It's just where Levyites and youngsters think it's right to place the baseline for comparison.

The Club has been successful every decade since ww2, has a big fan base in spite of losing a generation under Sugar, we are in London with all that brings.

Overall Levy has achieved par no better. They've been here a decade and a half you know.

 

[NEVILLEB]

He does some things very well and others badly. Everyone knows this.

He's not going anywhere so we have to accept the rough with the smooth.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Why are you comparing Sheringham, Clive Allen and Archibald to Chris Armstrong.

Loon.

I am comparing their goals per game ratio. Perhaps if you did some actual research instead of just writing the first thing that popped into the six inches between your ears you would see that by suggesting that Armstrong was a bust when Francis brought him is far from true.


Loonier.

 

[fedupyid]

Then Levy is an idiot the real money in football is from enforcements and growing of the fan base. To do that you need success so he should stay out of the footballing decisions. It should have been up to Poch and Mitchell who we sign and who we sell.

 

[stevensthfc]

Yes, on purpose.

 

[fedupyid]

Levy gets paid more a week than Eriksen. Please can someone explain this to me. The man gets paid more than FTSE100 CEO's not including the wages his family members receive from the club.

We are going into the season with a smaller squad than last season. We are spending less on wages and transfers than Crystal Palace. We have 4 or 5 players negotiating contract for extended periods of time, distracting them from playing.

Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Everton have all strengthened their squads.

The question in this thread is redundant. Levy and Joe Lewis have held us back for the last 6-7 years at least.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Man is a joke,

Pisses off so many other clubs it wont be long before nobody wants to do business with us.

What good is a new stadium if the players on the pitch are bang average and the fans are not even that arsed on attending.

Finally have our chance once again to break into the top 4 properly and he shafts us again its time for him to fucking go fully had enough.

Ever year leaves it until the last day of the window to fuck about to pretend hes fucking tried to save face if i was poch i would walk now.

 

[tototoner]

Still getting negative reps for a post over 3 years old *sigh*

 

[KingKay]

Yeah I think i'll be avoiding this thread for the rest of the day

 

[Drexl]

Fucking tight fisted bald bastard, hate him, fucked us over again today

 

[CowInAComa]

I am comparing their goals per game ratio. Perhaps if you did some actual research instead of just writing the first thing that popped into the six inches between your ears you would see that by suggesting that Armstrong was a bust when Francis brought him is far from true.


Loonier.

Are you actually Chris Armstrong by any chance?

 

[yankspurs]

Yes he is.

/thread

 

[Drexl]

Just a matter of time before Poch walks, Poch said at weekend he wanted 3 more players, Bald **** fucked it up so yeah thanks for the memories Poch good luck at your new ambitious club

 

[CowInAComa]

Why is everyone so angry today. Whats he done now?