The England Thread

[Mustard]

Couldn't disagree more. Oozes class ? At what ? How can you have a DM that can't press the ball because he's turned so easily, and how can you have anyone in midfield who doesn't want the ball under pressure, who can't move with the ball or pass with any urgency ?

He's awful in midfield. Much rather have an overthinking CB than and underthinking CM.

Wow.

I guess we read the game differently. That's cool.

But wow. I thought you had a decent football brain. ( not a dig, it takes all sorts to contribute etc)

You see more than Jose and me does.

You like cloggers and blockers I like my dm to transition defence into attack quickly. I'm guessing you liked Zakora as well?

If he is caught out then I expect my cb's to read this and cover.

Genuinely shocked you don't get how good Dier is but is being played out of position. He is a specimen.

Awful in midfield....? I'm not talking offensive mf but just above the back four. Which we do play. No matter how it's dressed up. He should be the player in behind Dembele.

Short memory mate.

 

[mark87]

So is henderson the new england captain? If so that is a fucking embarrassment.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

So is henderson the new england captain? If so that is a fucking embarrassment.

Think it's being passed around before a decision is made.

 

[mark87]

Think it's being passed around before a decision is made.

Fucking hope so.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Wow.

I guess we read the game differently. That's cool.

But wow. I thought you had a decent football brain. ( not a dig, it takes all sorts to contribute etc)

You see more than Jose and me does.

You like cloggers and blockers I like my dm to transition defence into attack quickly. I'm guessing you liked Zakora as well?

If he is caught out then I expect my cb's to read this and cover.

Genuinely shocked you don't get how good Dier is but is being played out of position. He is a specimen.

Awful in midfield....? I'm not talking offensive mf but just above the back four. Which we do play. No matter how it's dressed up. He should be the player in behind Dembele.

Short memory mate.

I absolutely don't dislike the idea of Dier as a DM as much as BC, but IMO Wanyama in 16-17 was definitely better than Dier in 15-16.

 

[mark87]

I absolutely don't dislike the idea of Dier as a DM as much as BC, but IMO Wanyama in 16-17 was definitely better than Dier in 15-16.

I think wanyama was better defensively but Dier was better at distributing the ball out. Depends on what you want as a DM.

 

[Mustard]

I absolutely don't dislike the idea of Dier as a DM as much as BC, but IMO Wanyama in 16-17 was definitely better than Dier in 15-16.

I would absolutely have two ball playing, goal scoring dm's above Wanyama.

Can't play all three in a team.

Horses for courses. Look at the Chelsea game. Was a joke line up.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I think wanyama was better defensively but Dier was better at distributing the ball out. Depends on what you want as a DM.

That's what I thought would be the case before last season but it turned out Wanyama is a pretty decent passer as well (maybe not as good as Dier) and is certainly a better dribbler.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I would absolutely have two ball playing, goal scoring dm's above Wanyama.

Can't play all three in a team.

Horses for courses. Look at the Chelsea game. Was a joke line up.

1. Are you saying Dier and Dembele are 'ball playing, goal scoring dm's'?
2. We can play all three in a team as that's literally what we did all of last season and finished 2nd.
3. That 'joke line up' against Chelsea was pretty much the same as the line-up that beat them at WHL last season, besides the full-backs.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Wow.

I guess we read the game differently. That's cool.

But wow. I thought you had a decent football brain. ( not a dig, it takes all sorts to contribute etc)

You see more than Jose and me does.

You like cloggers and blockers I like my dm to transition defence into attack quickly. I'm guessing you liked Zakora as well?

If he is caught out then I expect my cb's to read this and cover.

Genuinely shocked you don't get how good Dier is but is being played out of position. He is a specimen.

Awful in midfield....? I'm not talking offensive mf but just above the back four. Which we do play. No matter how it's dressed up. He should be the player in behind Dembele.

Short memory mate.

You mean like how Dier was played behind Dembele Sunday, that kind of quick transition ?

I like even my DM's to be able to receive the ball and not hide from it and pointing when my CB's are getting pressed.

Dier's 15, Dembele's 19. Like you say, I guess we just read the game differently. Me more literally, you more creatively abstract perhaps?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I would absolutely have two ball playing, goal scoring dm's above Wanyama.

Can't play all three in a team.

Horses for courses. Look at the Chelsea game. Was a joke line up.

Me too when we sign them.

Se Chelsea line up above.

 

[Mustard]

1. Are you saying Dier and Dembele are 'ball playing, goal scoring dm's'?
2. We can play all three in a team as that's literally what we did all of last season and finished 2nd.
3. That 'joke line up' against Chelsea was pretty much the same as the line-up that beat them at WHL last season, besides the full-backs.

Yes I am.

It's Poch's blind spot.

He sees all three as monsters and undroppable but sadly we fell short.

We lacked offence. I'm not knocking Poch. But I do feel he thinks defence first. No problem with that per se but sometimes attack is the best form of attack.

Chelsea this season is an example. They were weak and were defending. We should have been more offensive.

 

[Mustard]

You mean like how Dier was played behind Dembele Sunday, that kind of quick transition ?

I like even my DM's to be able to receive the ball and not hide from it and pointing when my CB's are getting pressed.

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Dier's 15, Dembele's 19. Like you say, I guess we just read the game differently. Me more literally, you more creatively abstract perhaps?

I guess that proves my point. We had the game in our hands but a poor sub changed the game, albeit they were lucky due to a mistake.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I guess that proves my point. We had the game in our hands but a poor sub changed the game, albeit they were lucky due to a mistake.

Yeah, good one, course it does.

It proves your talking gibberish about Dier being used more advanced to Dembele.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yes I am.

It's Poch's blind spot.

He sees all three as monsters and undroppable but sadly we fell short.

We lacked offence. I'm not knocking Poch. But I do feel he thinks defence first. No problem with that per se but sometimes attack is the best form of attack.

Chelsea this season is an example. They were weak and were defending. We should have been more offensive.

OK.

So Dembele and Dier are goalscoring DMs, whilst Wanyama is not? Is that what you're saying?

The reality is that referring to any of Dembele, Dier and Wanyama as 'goal-scoring' is absurd.

But it's more absurd to suggest Dembele and Dier are whilst Wanyama isn't. Wanyama scored 5 goals last season. Dembele and Dier combined scored 3 goals. In Dier and Dembele's best season with us, they both scored 4 goals, 1 less than Wanyama last season.

And are you also saying that the team that scored the most goals last seasons 'lacked offense'? The 3 at the back formation allows our full-backs to be more offensive, and brings the best out of offensive players.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yes I am.

It's Poch's blind spot.

He sees all three as monsters and undroppable but sadly we fell short.

We lacked offence. I'm not knocking Poch. But I do feel he thinks defence first. No problem with that per se but sometimes attack is the best form of attack.

Chelsea this season is an example. They were weak and were defending. We should have been more offensive.

At least we agree on Poch's risk aversion. We lacked offence against Chelsea because we had a pair of plodders in CM who can't introduce tempo.

 

[Mustard]

You mean like how Dier was played behind Dembele Sunday, that kind of quick transition ?

I like even my DM's to be able to receive the ball and not hide from it and pointing when my CB's are getting pressed.

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Dier's 15, Dembele's 19. Like you say, I guess we just read the game differently. Me more literally, you more creatively abstract perhaps?

You can surely see what I'm saying even by your own graphic?

Dier isn't a cb.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You can surely see what I'm saying even by your own graphic?

Dier isn't a cb.

That graphic shows Dier playing deeper than Dembele in midfield, which is exactly what you said he wasn't.

 

[Mustard]

OK.

So Dembele and Dier are goalscoring DMs, whilst Wanyama is not? Is that what you're saying?

The reality is that referring to any of Dembele, Dier and Wanyama as 'goal-scoring' is absurd.

But it's more absurd to suggest Dembele and Dier aren't whilst Wanyama is. Wanyama scored 5 goals last season. Dembele and Dier combined scored 3 goals. In Dier and Dembele's best season with us, they both scored 4 goals, 1 less than Wanyama last season.

And are you also saying that the team that scored the most goals last seasons 'lacked offense'? The 3 at the back formation allows our full-backs to be more offensive, and brings the best out of offensive players.

I'm saying that Dier and Dembele are hampered by having three players in what should be their space by playing three very similar players are constricting each other's movements.

Victor is a beast and should be utilised when we have teams attacking us.

Not when we have teams parking the bus. Play Son instead. And not at lb...

 

[Mustard]

That graphic shows Dier playing deeper than Dembele in midfield, which is exactly what you said he wasn't.

In a back five. He is being played as a cb not dm.

Poch played it defensively.

3 cbs with two fbs.