The Formula 1 Thread

[$hoguN]

I think it’s very well worth remembering that Hamilton is one more reprimand away from a 10 place grid penalty. He’s been summoned to the stewards for his involvement in the Max collision.

They always bring both sides in don’t they?

 

[Yid-ol]

The be strategic message from Red Bull on the overtake could be an issue for Red Bull if the telemetry suggests anything other than Verstappen being super clean

Probably the best video shot I have seen of it. I don't think max 'break tested' lewis, but he did slow down right before they hit, so must have lifted right off the acceleration. And the little bit of weaving also

But again it was right before the DRS line again so Hamilton wouldn't have wanted to pass there again.

 

[JR1994]

Lewis absolutely laying into Max in an interview just now. Said Max is totally over the limit and that it’s quite clear that Max knows it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t finish the race.

Max is absolutely nuts. So ballsy but reckless. Needs to find a balance because he doesn’t seem to ever think an incident is his fault

 

[Tucker]

Probably the best video shot I have seen of it. I don't think max 'break tested' lewis, but he did slow down right before they hit, so must have lifted right off the acceleration. And the little bit of weaving also

But again it was right before the DRS line again so Hamilton wouldn't have wanted to pass there again.

It’s hard not to see his weaving as a deliberate attempt to cause a crash. If you’re letting someone by, you don’t make that kind of manoeuvre. It was deliberate, and dangerous and he should be penalised for it.

 

[Gb160]

Max saying ‘all we talk about is white lines and penalties these days’...stop driving like a fucking moron and maybe that wouldn’t be the case, Max.

 

[$hoguN]

Probably the best video shot I have seen of it. I don't think max 'break tested' lewis, but he did slow down right before they hit, so must have lifted right off the acceleration. And the little bit of weaving also

But again it was right before the DRS line again so Hamilton wouldn't have wanted to pass there again.

To me that looks like Max pretty much stopped right at the end

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

If I am reading the standings correctly, I think Bottas has locked up 3rd place. He is 28 points ahead of Perez after tonight's race.

He has been a good teammate for Hamilton - perhaps not as aggressive as he needed to be for his own aspirations - but overall, a good steady hand. It will be interesting to see the dynamic with Hamilton and Russell next season.

 

[mezza84]

Max is absolutely nuts. So ballsy but reckless. Needs to find a balance because he doesn’t seem to ever think an incident is his fault

When the reality is they almost always are.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Not so subtle dig at Red Bull:

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Lots of champions have been dangerous lunatics, Senna did some despicable stuff and is lauded as one of the greatest - he did what he needed to do to win.

I suspect Max has a similar mindset - he does what he needs to do to win. Simple as that. I doubt 90% of the heat he has from other drivers is reciprocated, he probably doesn't even care. As demonstrated in the vote for Driver of the Day, the fans loved it and that incident, for me, is so peculiar and has so many questions to ask both drivers, I don't want to call what the decision will be.

 

[aliyid]

Expecting very little overtaking but a couple of safety cars ‘should’ make sure the race doesn’t get stretched out too far. Some clever tactics by Horner and we could see it tight at the front (still not heard if Max’s car needs a new gearbox or not)

So looks like my prediction of ‘a couple of safety cars’ was underplaying it a bit.

What an insane mess of a GP. Max is easily the most dangerous driver I’ve seen (and I thought Schumacher was kamikaze at times).

Over the course of the season I’ve flipped between wanting to see Max win to break the dominance of Mercedes and wanting Lewis to win but the last few races have put me quite firmly into the Lewis camp as I can’t stand the dangerous arrogance of Max & Christian Horner.

One things for sure, it’s going to make a great series of ‘Drive to Survive’

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Probably the best video shot I have seen of it. I don't think max 'break tested' lewis, but he did slow down right before they hit, so must have lifted right off the acceleration. And the little bit of weaving also

But again it was right before the DRS line again so Hamilton wouldn't have wanted to pass there again.

Bizarre incident.

Lots of champions have been dangerous lunatics, Senna did some despicable stuff and is lauded as one of the greatest - he did what he needed to do to win.

Senna, Schumacher, even Hamilton — all very aggressive drivers that do/did what it takes to win. Max will be very successful when he finishes his career but there will be a lot more of these incidents to come.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

10 second time penalty for Verstappen. He stays P2.

That’ll teach him.

 

[$hoguN]

10 second time penalty for Verstappen. He stays P2.

That’ll teach him.

I don’t understand the logic of applying the penalty in this race?

 

[Phil-spur99]

I don’t understand the logic of applying the penalty in this race?

Gives his a superficial wrap on the knuckles without opening up a host of issues and appeals at the next race so sweeping it under the carpet.

The worry must be if Max takes Lewis out at the next race he wins the championship by virtue of races won. I don’t think it’s beyond him to do that and claim it was “racing”.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don’t understand the logic of applying the penalty in this race?

The stewards said Verstappen “slowed significantly at Turn 26” but that it was “obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3”.

Verstappen told the stewards he was unsure why Hamilton had not overtaken him, while Hamilton said he was not aware that Verstappen was handing him the place back.

But the decisive point of information for the stewards was that Verstappen’s sudden braking move resulted in 2.4g deceleration, which they deemed to be “erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision”.

“Hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed,” the bulletin ends.

The penalty has no bearing on the final classification, though, as Verstappen finished 16 seconds clear of Valtteri Bottas in third place, meaning the Red Bull driver keeps P2.

 

[beats1]

Probably the best video shot I have seen of it. I don't think max 'break tested' lewis, but he did slow down right before they hit, so must have lifted right off the acceleration. And the little bit of weaving also

But again it was right before the DRS line again so Hamilton wouldn't have wanted to pass there again.

Max is in the middle of the fucking race track, in a race track where we have seen multiple stoppages and the big races had multiple red flags

If next week when one of the Alfa's is getting lapped, gives the same amount of room for Lewis or Max to overtake, every one and their dog is saying that driver needs to be reprimanded and is dangerous

However, the stewards should have got involved when Max overtook Lewis on the restart, he purposely went wide coming back on which forced lewis to brake and drop two places rather than the one.

Massey enabled Max's dangerous behaviour by negotiating that dangerous rejoin by saying give the position, back.

 

[nferno]

The worry must be if Max takes Lewis out at the next race he wins the championship by virtue of races won. I don’t think it’s beyond him to do that and claim it was “racing”.

Or just get Checo to do it

 

[Armstrong_11]

I don’t understand the logic of applying the penalty in this race?

Same as giving City a fine...

just showing the whole world they are doing something but actually doing nothing.

anyway... it was the result everyone wanted, the ending race is now a cup final.

But... as an f1 and racing fan... i don't like the track. a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[$hoguN]

The stewards said Verstappen “slowed significantly at Turn 26” but that it was “obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3”.

Verstappen told the stewards he was unsure why Hamilton had not overtaken him, while Hamilton said he was not aware that Verstappen was handing him the place back.

But the decisive point of information for the stewards was that Verstappen’s sudden braking move resulted in 2.4g deceleration, which they deemed to be “erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision”.

“Hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed,” the bulletin ends.

The penalty has no bearing on the final classification, though, as Verstappen finished 16 seconds clear of Valtteri Bottas in third place, meaning the Red Bull driver keeps P2.

I understand why a penalty was given. I’m questioning why it didn’t apply to the next race