The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Luka Van der Bale]

People forget that in the exact same interview that everyone loves to quote the ‘We need to be brave’ from, Poch also said something along the lines of ‘we have to be different from other clubs, more sensible, and I like that,’ which is something he’s said many times in the past. Selective quoting to fit your agenda perhaps?

 

[hellava_tough]

Why cant people just take his words at face value instead of trying to crowbar in their own narrative about whats 'really' happening.
Now would be the exact time to start putting pressure on Levy if he wasn't happy, with two weeks of the window left.
He's not worried, just accept it.

@Danny Boy Interested to hear your views on this mate, dont be shy, it's a forum afterall.

Exactly people are clinging to Pochettino’s comments at the end of last season like it’s the only thing he has ever said. It’s like Poch and Levy haven’t spoke since those comments and Poch is just in limbo unaware of what’s going on with Levy.

These latest quotes will just be conveniently ignored by many, just like the comments about the new stadium not meaning we'll instantly have loads of cash to spend.
The selectiveness on here is quite impressive sometimes.

Before we get into a debate on this, I have to reiterate that I'm very much on the fence with Poch's comments and most public-figures' media comments. I'm not a 'doom and gloomer' and I'm not an 'everything is rosey' guy.

So, with that said and to play devil's advocate...

Firstly, there are reasons why Poch wouldn't want to rock-the-boat at this time; transfer deals could be at that delicate stage of near-completion, where a united front and happy-club is best presented. Poch may have his doubts re. Levy's methods, but he's giving his boss the benefit of the doubt, before the TW closes and he makes his mind up on the situation. Also, does Poch really need the extra media-scrutiny during pre-season? He will also be acutely aware that what he says, positive or negative, will have an impact on his squad's morale; if the boss is unhappy, everyone is unhappy, as the old saying goes.

Secondly, the relationship between Poch and Levy is an organic, changing thing. Only Poch and Levy will know what they think about each other. In terms of a professional relationship, we've all been in that situation with our boss or an employee, where things are good up until the circumstances, or personal motivations change. What was a good deal last year, may be taken for granted the next.
But you're never going to start mouthing off to the rest of your work-colleagues that you're fed-up with your boss, are you? You're going to say the right things, bide your time, see if the situation changes and if it doesn't, get a new job.

I'm really not saying that Poch is unhappy.

Please don't think I'm that guy.

All I'm highlighting, is that in the world of modern-media and PR, press-conference comments should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Gb160]

Before we get into a debate on this, I have to reiterate that I'm very much on the fence with Poch's comments and most public-figures' media comments. I'm not a 'doom and gloomer' and I'm not an 'everything is rosey' guy.

So, with that said and to play devil's advocate...

Firstly, there are reasons why Poch wouldn't want to rock-the-boat at this time; transfer deals could be at that delicate stage of near-completion, where a united front and happy-club is best presented. Poch may have his doubts re. Levy's methods, but he's giving his boss the benefit of the doubt, before the TW closes and he makes his mind up on the situation. Also, does Poch really need the extra media-scrutiny during pre-season? He will also be acutely aware that what he says, positive or negative, will have an impact on his squad's morale; if the boss is unhappy, everyone is unhappy, as the old saying goes.

Secondly, the relationship between Poch and Levy is an organic, changing thing. Only Poch and Levy will know what they think about each other. In terms of a professional relationship, we've all been in that situation with our boss or an employee, where things are good up until the circumstances, or personal motivations change. What was a good deal last year, may be taken for granted the next.
But you're never going to start mouthing off to the rest of your work-colleagues that you're fed-up with your boss, are you? You're going to say the right things, bide your time, see if the situation changes and if it doesn't, get a new job.

I'm really not saying that Poch is unhappy.

Please don't think I'm that guy.

All I'm highlighting, is that in the world of modern-media and PR, press-conference comments should be taken with a pinch of salt.

That's fair enough, but I suppose it's quite a cynical way of looking at it.
I admit there's a chance of it not being the full picture, I personally think there's a greater chance of it actually being the truth, he's not worried.

Many seem to pick and choose the bits that fit their narrative and simply dismiss the rest as 'PR'....either dismiss the lot or take it at face value.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Which means what exactly?

Poch on his plans for the future: "I think they are going to listen [to me]. I think Daniel is going to listen. Sometimes, you know I have crazy ideas, but it’s to be brave. I think it’s time for the club to take risks. Every new season will be difficult."

That. In terms of retaining and aqcuiring players I interpreted it as, in order to jump from our progress to contending, to winning.

Whether that should be derived as some kind of indication of his future here is for others to assess.

 

[tiger666]

That. In terms of retaining and aqcuiring players I interpreted it as, in order to jump from our progress to contending, to winning.

Whether that should be derived as some kind of indication of his future here is for others to assess.

To properly assess it you need the full quotes. I think it also needs saying that English isn't his first language and far too many people get caught up over-analysing every word.



"We are thinking now we need to make our new stadium home and we know it will be tough in the beginning to settle there," he told a post-match news conference."

"I have a very clear idea of what we need to do. I don't know if the club will agree with me or not, but we are going to talk next week to create what I think we need to do together to improve."

"Until today it was so difficult to talk about the future, but from now we need to decide the way and how we are going to operate in the future."

"Our fans need to know what we are going to do and our fans need to feel the reality of the club and we need to tell the truth and create a very good expectation we can achieve. We cannot create dreams that we are not going to achieve."

"The first step is to be close and challenge the sides who invest more than us and find a way. We need to think our reality is different and our fans need to think and be happy and support us because we are not a club who will spend crazy money."

"I think Daniel is going to listen to me, but you know sometimes I might have some crazy ideas. With our unbelievable fans, sometimes you need to be brave and take risks. I think the club is in a moment where they need to take risks."

 

[spursfan77]

Hardly positive words that we will sign anyone.

 

[tiger666]

Hardly positive words that we will sign anyone.

Our manager says he's relaxed. What's not positive about it?

 

[AJW]

Hardly positive words that we will sign anyone.

I interpreted it more than he isn’t going to get in a strop that we haven’t signed anyone yet, although it is annoying him, because his job is to get ready the players he has

 

[Trees]

Before we get into a debate on this, I have to reiterate that I'm very much on the fence with Poch's comments and most public-figures' media comments. I'm not a 'doom and gloomer' and I'm not an 'everything is rosey' guy.

So, with that said and to play devil's advocate...

Firstly, there are reasons why Poch wouldn't want to rock-the-boat at this time; transfer deals could be at that delicate stage of near-completion, where a united front and happy-club is best presented. Poch may have his doubts re. Levy's methods, but he's giving his boss the benefit of the doubt, before the TW closes and he makes his mind up on the situation. Also, does Poch really need the extra media-scrutiny during pre-season? He will also be acutely aware that what he says, positive or negative, will have an impact on his squad's morale; if the boss is unhappy, everyone is unhappy, as the old saying goes.

Secondly, the relationship between Poch and Levy is an organic, changing thing. Only Poch and Levy will know what they think about each other. In terms of a professional relationship, we've all been in that situation with our boss or an employee, where things are good up until the circumstances, or personal motivations change. What was a good deal last year, may be taken for granted the next.
But you're never going to start mouthing off to the rest of your work-colleagues that you're fed-up with your boss, are you? You're going to say the right things, bide your time, see if the situation changes and if it doesn't, get a new job.

I'm really not saying that Poch is unhappy.

Please don't think I'm that guy.

All I'm highlighting, is that in the world of modern-media and PR, press-conference comments should be taken with a pinch of salt.

As much as we want players in now, we can only judge the TW when it closes. For now Poch like us, has to give DL the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Reprobate]

Our manager says he's relaxed. What's not positive about it?

He's saying it isn't the ideal situation, we should have made progress in this transfer window, but it is what it is, so he'll just get on with it. In other words he agrees with everyone else that Levy's unwillingness to spend makes things more difficult.

 

[Gb160]

He's saying it isn't the ideal situation, we should have made progress in this transfer window, but it is what it is, so he'll just get on with it. In other words he agrees with everyone else that Levy's unwillingness to spend makes things more difficult.

You got all that from that one quote?
Amazing.

 

[yido_number1]

Hardly positive words that we will sign anyone.

I watched the interview and he said all of this with the biggest smile on his face of someone who is enjoying things. He's been with us long enough to know how we operate and this isn't his first rodeo.

To me, he knows the coo but no doubt behind the scenes he will probably be seeking reassurance to get things over the line.

 

[spursfan77]

I watched the interview and he said all of this with the biggest smile on his face of someone who is enjoying things. He's been with us long enough to know how we operate and this isn't his first rodeo.

To me, he knows the coo but no doubt behind the scenes he will probably be seeking reassurance to get things over the line.

Oh ok, thanks for sharing. Seeing him say things and reading them printed are two completely different things. It would be good to watch it.

He must think that the signings he wants are still achievable before the window shuts if he’s so calm.

 

[tiger666]

He's saying it isn't the ideal situation, we should have made progress in this transfer window, but it is what it is, so he'll just get on with it. In other words he agrees with everyone else that Levy's unwillingness to spend makes things more difficult.

Why are you ignoring the full quotes? He's confident of getting players in. How someone can turn the below in to a negative is beyond me:

Do these injuries make it more important to get transfers done?

I think we’re going to, sure, see what happens in the next few days. If you say we need to sign there, maybe, but with or without injuries that was our target after we finished last season – to add some players with qualities that can help us achieve all that we want. With or without, I think we are going to.

Are you relaxed about it?

Yes of course. After many years in football, I think nothing’s going to change if you have different moods or humour. You need to be relaxed, working hard. My focus is trying to help the team and develop the way we want to play and arrive in the best condition to start the season. Nothing’s going to change if I changed my behaviour or the way I act.

https://www.football.london/tottenh...ettino-bale-transfers-wanyama-lamela-14965260

 

[rossdapep]

Take Poch's relaxed and calm demeanour and compare it to Mourinho's. One manager seems confident in what his club will do in the market, I'd even say there is a plan in place and this is calming him. Whereas the other manager is sounding desperate and agitated at the lack of activity he feels he needs. That should put us in a strong position at the negotiation table.

 

[Metalhead]

Take Poch's relaxed and calm demeanour and compare it to Mourinho's. One manager seems confident in what his club will do in the market, I'd even say there is a plan in place and this is calming him. Whereas the other manager is sounding desperate and agitated at the lack of activity he feels he needs. That should put us in a strong position at the negotiation table.

Poch is a naturally calmer personality anyway though.

 

[rossdapep]

Poch is a naturally calmer personality anyway though.

That's true, he is. Although I'd say he seemed more strained at the end of last season around the same time he made his 'being brave' comments. If he didn't think Levy was supporting him through this I'm sure we'd see some frustration seep through.

As JJ said last week, everyone at the club is calm and believe the squad will be in a better shape once the window closes (I'm paraphrasing)

 

[Metalhead]

That's true, he is. Although I'd say he seemed more strained at the end of last season around the same time he made his 'being brave' comments. If he didn't think Levy was supporting him through this I'm sure we'd see some frustration seep through.

As JJ said last week, everyone at the club is calm and believe the squad will be in a better shape once the window closes (I'm paraphrasing)

I agree - I think that there would definitely be an unmistakable undertone in his interviews if he wasn't happy. Jose is just out and out petulant.

 

[nickspurs]

Take Poch's relaxed and calm demeanour and compare it to Mourinho's. One manager seems confident in what his club will do in the market, I'd even say there is a plan in place and this is calming him. Whereas the other manager is sounding desperate and agitated at the lack of activity he feels he needs. That should put us in a strong position at the negotiation table.

Standard Jose: “It’s everyone else’s fault. I need my new toys at any cost and when I don’t win it’s because I wasn’t backed. Ed are you listening?”

 

[synththfc]

Just a quick question, would anyone blame Poch for walking if this window pans out the way it's looking like it's going to?

I know I wouldn't