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BringBack_leGin

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How far down the list of players Poch wanted was Moura is a question I'd love to know the answer to.

Moura's situation at PSG makes me think it was a Levy special gamble of a transfer trying to ensure a bit of profit in a resale.

Backing a manager is getting them the players they want, United do that, we don't.
Backing a manager is also:

  • Giving new contracts to all his key staff before even him.
  • Supporting him when he ostracises high profile, high earning footballers and then selling them.
  • Tying down key plays to long contracts continuously with renewals happening each season.
  • Changing the management structure in line with his ambitions.
  • And infitinely more things which we won’t be privy to that go beyond a chairman-manager relationship.

The transfer window, while important, is not the sole platform available to backing the manager.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Yeah but they’ll buy their way out of it in a remarkably short space of time.

For us, if we screwed up like that it would be so hard to make the ground back up to the top. Quite depressing really.

There’s a nasty air of inevitability about this
Agree partially with your first paragraph, completely with your second but I’m really not convinced he’ll go there.

They’ll spend their way out of problems but as Mourinho showed, this isn’t guaranteed to bring stability and success, and can actually make things worse. Sanchez sulking on 500k a week is just one of the many headaches coming someone’s way
 

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Georgie Bingham and Tony Cascarino on talksport were saying how pointless it is for reporters to keep asking Poch the same question over the next few months. Nice to hear other media people acknowledge how pointless it is when Poch is going to give them the same response.
 

worcestersauce

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Georgie Bingham and Tony Cascarino on talksport were saying how pointless it is for reporters to keep asking Poch the same question over the next few months. Nice to hear other media people acknowledge how pointless it is when Poch is going to give them the same response.
I've always had a lot of respect for talksport.
 

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How far down the list of players Poch wanted was Moura is a question I'd love to know the answer to.

Moura's situation at PSG makes me think it was a Levy special gamble of a transfer trying to ensure a bit of profit in a resale.

Backing a manager is getting them the players they want, United do that, we don't.
So your boss only backs you if she buys you a new computer/phone/van/drill/whatever every year?

Oh and yeah, it is exactly the same. Football management is no different to any other mid level management job but with C suite salaries.

Even though you know I’m right I know you’ll neg my post, child.
 
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Ghost Hardware

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Backing a manager is also:

  • Giving new contracts to all his key staff before even him.
  • Supporting him when he ostracises high profile, high earning footballers and then selling them.
  • Tying down key plays to long contracts continuously with renewals happening each season.
  • Changing the management structure in line with his ambitions.
  • And infitinely more things which we won’t be privy to that go beyond a chairman-manager relationship.

The transfer window, while important, is not the sole platform available to backing the manager.
I do agree with this, but I do also think that if Poch has ambitious to win the league (which he clearly does) then buying players has to be part of the equation. In such a rich and competitive league we will not win the league without spending in the market. Maybe if we were the best club in the league, but we aren't. We often hear after windows close that the targets Poch wanted were unattainable, I just wonder if they were unattainable for everyone or just to us because of the amount Levy is willing to pay. Now I'm not suggesting we should go out and drive this club to debt, but if Poch feels he won't be able to achieve a league win within Levy's budget then that might cause him some concern and ultimately make him think twice when a Utd or RM come calling.

I think this summer could be the hardest of his tenure as we will most likely loose Toby and very possibly have to sell Eriksen. We will need to spend and spend wisely. Loosing those two could cripple us as we still need to fix our CM, DM and full backs and I still have doubts over our ability to identify quality players. Saying all that I do think he will stay, but sooner or later he probably will take one of these jobs if Levy doesn't loosen the string just a little bit more.
 
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BringBack_leGin

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Backing a manager is also:

  • Giving new contracts to all his key staff before even him.
  • Supporting him when he ostracises high profile, high earning footballers and then selling them.
  • Tying down key plays to long contracts continuously with renewals happening each season.
  • Changing the management structure in line with his ambitions.
  • And infitinely more things which we won’t be privy to that go beyond a chairman-manager relationship.

The transfer window, while important, is not the sole platform available to backing the manager.

@KETTERING SPUR I could understand a 'disagree', maybe a 'dislike' and quite possible a 'wtf' rating, but what part of the above is spamming this thread pray thee tell?

I do agree with this, but I do also think that if Poch has ambitious to win the league (which he clearly does) then buying players has to be part of the equation. In such a rich and competitive league we will not win the league without spending in the market. Maybe if we were the best club in the league, but we aren't. We often hear after windows close that the targets Poch wanted were unattainable, I just wonder if they were unattainable for everyone or just to us because of the amount Levy is willing to pay. Now I'm not suggesting we should go out and drive this club to debt, but if Poch feels he won't be able to achieve a league win within Levy's budget then that might cause him some concern and ultimately make him think twice when a Utd or RM come calling.

I think this summer could be the hardest of his tenure as we will most likely loose Toby and very possibly have to sell Eriksen. We will need to spend and spend wisely. Loosing those two could cripple us as we still need to fix our CM, DM and full backs and I still have doubts over our ability to identify quality players. Saying all that I do think he will stay, but sooner or later he probably will probably take one of these jobs if Levy doesn't loosen the string just a little bit more.

I fully agree with the notion that transfer market backing is important; vital perhaps. However, I merely wanted to make the point that it is not the be all and end all, that there are plenty of other ways to back a manager

Or, to flip it, who has received better backing from his club in the past three seasons, Pochettino at Spurs or Mourinho at Manchester Utd?

This been posted yet? I’m not able to view the video due to geo-restrictions, but I don’t think it reads like this is a man about to jump ship.

Sky Sports interview
It's a nice piece. How much we can truly read into it I'm not sure, but he does come across as someone invested in what we, and Levy, are doing.

I am of the opinion that Pochettino needs to see the squad improved, if not this January then certainly this summer, but this isn't a case of Levy needing to loosing the purse strings, this is a case of Levy needing to find a way to provide the funds.
 

easley91

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This been posted yet? I’m not able to view the video due to geo-restrictions, but I don’t think it reads like this is a man about to jump ship.

Sky Sports interview
Just read it. Once again talks about his 4 1/2 years contract and doesn't read or sound like a man on the way out or pushing for one. Speaks of his good relationship with Levy. There's nothing else he can say. Already stated before he's happy and wants to win things with us.

All the more confident he stays.
 

Reece

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What he’s saying is I think what most sane and sensible managers would do in the current situation. If he doesn’t, he risks destablising the rest of our season to the benefit of absolutely no-one (see Harry Redknapp).

He’ll play it cool and we’ll just have to see what happens in the summer. Nobody knows at this stage.
 

buckley

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The whole will he won't he argument to me comes down to one fundamental point and that is that Poch preaches trust ;faith ; loyalty ; 100% commitment.
If Poch turns his back on us the last four years he has been spinning the players and fans a lie a myth.
I like to think this man is the real deal with integrity and loyalty but and its a big but loyalty is thin on the ground these days.
Some say "I will not blame or hold it against him if he goes to United" well I for one would hold it against him and it would be up there with the betrayal of Judas the reason I would hold it against him is that I have brought into his "trust ; faith ; loyalty ; commitment "mantra.I have to keep the faith and trust in Poch to do the right thing by Spurs.
 

coys200

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You have to actually say that Pochettino could be very clever here if his intentions are to stay. If he categorically comes out and says I’m staying all his leverage re transfers has gone. Right now he’s like a high maintenance girl friend that can ask for whatever she wants. It’s actually not in his best interest in terms of transfers to say he’s staying.
 

Jody

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You have to actually say that Pochettino could be very clever here if his intentions are to stay. If he categorically comes out and says I’m staying all his leverage re transfers has gone. Right now he’s like a high maintenance girl friend that can ask for whatever she wants. It’s actually not in his best interest in terms of transfers to say he’s staying.
Likewise Levy. What better way to destabilise Utd than to let them think their next manager is sorted only to find out late on he isn’t.
 

coys200

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If United were brave they’d find their own Pochettino. There must be 4 or 5 across Europe with the same potential Poch had at Southampton. Eddie Howe to start with, yes be brave but that’s just what we did and it paid off. They just always seem to take the obvious path with managers and players.
 
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