The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[rez9000]

I have no problem with the press officer shutting down sky sports, but this (the bit in bold in particular) is such wishful thinking.

If Poch wished to rule himself out of the job he could easily do so without making anyone doing ridiculous. There are clearly two possible reasons why he hasn’t ruled himself out of the job.

1.) he is considering taking the if it’s offered.
2.) he thinks that being considered for the job gives him some leverage with Levy.

In reality, both are probably true.

Poch may well decide to stay at Spurs even if he’s offered the united job. But it is obviously something he will need to think about carefully. It is probably safe to say that he will not want to stay at Spurs for another 5 years if he does not think it will be possible to achieve significantly more than he already has.

But, less speculatively, we all saw last summer around the time he was linked to Madrid that he made a lot pointed comments about the need to improve the squad and the need to spend. I very much doubt he would dismiss the possibility of joining united without getting anything in return.

I'm not sure you actually read the preceding sentences to the bit you bolded. The post was about spin and how the media will choose to spin anything he says. The bits you bolded were hypothetical responses to things Poch may have said in response to the Sky reporter.

What's really interesting is that you've actually reinforced my point. In that If Poch will consider a Man U job offer should it come, he makes an error in speaking about it now, before an offer has come in. If he states to the media that he is interested in the job, he may then force his chairman's hand. Levy has shown that he will brook no messing around in the past - remember how Harry was dispensed with? So even if Poch was trying to gain 'leverage' with Levy, speaking about the Man U job would be the last thing he would do.

So, once again, we return to the point that saying nothing is the best thing for all concerned, except for the media.

 

[Paolo10]

Would you renew your season ticket if he left?!

I find this kind of thing ridiculous, he's one man, a manager. If he wants to go, thank you and good bye tbh. (This sentiment would apply to almost every player too for me with the notable exception of Harry)

 

[Blackrat1299]

Neil Ashton flapping his lips on NBC citing quotes he can't backup.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Neil Ashton flapping his lips on NBC citing quotes he can't backup.

Only doing what Matt Hughes has been doing all week, it's par for the course.

 

[guiltyparty]

I disagree. Our squad is what it is because of Poch. Most of these same players were as shit as the current Man Utd squad before he walked in.

That’s why they want him, he improves players. Give poch a season with Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Bailey, Shaw etc he would have them top 4 and pushing for the title.

That’s why we can’t afford to let him go there

Indeed. Man Utd finished above us last season. People seem to have forgotten this pretty quickly

People want it all ways. Apparently we have a better squad than Utd and Mourinho is shit... but they’ve won 3 trophies in the last two seasons and we’ve won none.

Doesn’t add up does it? If they’re absolute toilet. Just imagine what they could do with a positive figure in the dugout...

So much clutching at straws

 

[guiltyparty]

It's sleeping giant syndrome. Back in the early to mid-80s we were one of the Big 5 clubs. Us, Arse, Everton, Liverpool and Man U. We were always in the mix for trophies and brought silverware home on occasion. But then we got Irving Scholar, who made the club an absolute clusterf***. Since then, all through the Sugar years and much of the ENIC years, we've had our hopes dashed time and again. It's made us pessimistic. It's only natural. And it's a hard habit to break. We expect the worst, because it's happened so often.

Compare that to Man U. In the early 80s, they were exactly the same as us - a big club that fallen on hard times. Like us, they'd been relegated in the 70s, like us they were always in the mix for trophies and won a few, but never consistently. Then they got Ferguson. That was the key to their success. But it took him nearly four years to get it right. Their fans hung banners around Old Trafford calling for Ferguson to be sacked. Legend has it that it all turned on a single FA Cup game against Forest. Man U won 1-0 and went on to lift the trophy and the rest is history. Poch can be our Ferguson, but it's not happened yet. Like the Man U fans before that FA Cup game, we still expect the worst for our club. Winning something will change that and that, I believe, is only a matter of time.

For the first point, old chap, that's the nature of debate. You can't debate someone you agree with. Someone believing that you're wrong is not a big deal. Make your points and counterpoints. And more pertinently, I didn't see anything in @vegassd 's post to suggest that he thought you were wrong - he just has his opinion and you have yours.

Which then leads to your second point. Respectfully, you've not exactly been specific yourself. Or rather, you've taken specific things and speculated and extrapolated the meanings of them. That's not specific, that's obfuscation and is another politician's trick...

Look, anyone with an ounce of common sense will say that there is a chance that Poch will leave. But that's just it - a chance. Not a certainty. Therefore, in the same way that you have extrapolated your view from information you've gleaned, those who have an opposing view have done the same and come to a different conclusion.

There's a little smack of confirmation bias in your view. That you've already decided in your mind what's going to happen and so see the things that support your belief more strongly than everything else. That's understandable and everyone does it. But the thing to bear in mind is that nothing's certain at this point - neither your view, nor the view of anyone else.

No at all, I’m not certain he’s gone. And I agree @vegassd had good points. He was defending the general consensus so my argument, while directed at him, was against that.

How have I been vague? Happy to firm up anything that may be misunderstood.

Point is so much straw clutching. If Poch goes or leaves, it won’t have anything to do with most of the things outlined in here. Yet people acting like they know him, or that the Utd job wouldn’t suit him (but apparently Real, which is even worse for interfering above, would be fine)

Distinct lack of logic on display

 

[Gb160]

Neil Ashton flapping his lips on NBC citing quotes he can't backup.

What was he saying?

 

[Yid-ol]

Clearly his head is turned and the players arnt playing for him anymore with this kind of performance

 

[easley91]

Anyone else catch Martin Tylers "Poch watch continues" line at the start of the game? Sky can't help themselves pushing it. Really cannot wait to see Poch in the home dugout at the new ground start of next season.

 

[Blackrat1299]

What was he saying?

Can't remember verbatim, it was in effect 'sources' have told me he wasn't happy about the summer TW and not happy about Jan TW because ALL the money is going on the stadium, which is now costing just short of 1 billion.!!!

 

[Gb160]

Can't remember verbatim, it was in effect 'sources' have told me he wasn't happy about the summer TW and not happy about Jan TW because ALL the money is going on the stadium, which is now costing just short of 1 billion.!!!

Well he's certainly hiding it very well!

 

[Yid-ol]

Fuck sake poch! Man u win 5-1 against ashit team and maybe deflect talk of him taking over, but he went and got us to win 6-2.... You only had to go and win by 1!!

 

[coys200]

What was I worried about ?

 

[easley91]

What was I worried about ?

Maybe now you'll actually have faith and believe in Poch and the players getting the result when needed.

 

[Yid-ol]

27% of Tottenham's PL away wins have come under Mauricio Pochettino

 

[Jody]

I would. I’ve watched Spurs through some shite era’s. Wouldn’t you? My attitude would always be ‘The King is dead. Long live the King’.

Lie

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Oopd

Find out a lot about him today. There’s obviously no doubts about what strengths he has. But in a crucial moment in the season that really defines if rest of season is a title race or top 4 scrap. Does he have what it takes to get us over the line today and the 3 pts. If not it will just be another moment to add the list of failures in crucial moments.

Oops

 

[Shadydan]

What was I worried about ?

We ask the same question about you every day.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

We ask the same question about you every day.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Every time someone posts that Walcott pic he gets more fingers