The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[BehindEnemyLines]

Integration becomes harder for the current season granted but integration becomes easier for the following season - see Lucas who whilst hasnt been off the charts sensation he has fit in relatively well.

Ofcourse this comes at a premium but depends on what is the priority for Poch and what our targets and objectives are for next season. There is also another approach which is to buy extremely early so the players have enough time to have the full pre-season and acclimatise but that does take longer than expected (see Fabinho/Keita at Liverscum)

Oh, I entirely agree. It just annoys when the pundits keep papping on about getting fresh legs in January when they patently isn't the case.

 

[JCRD]

Oh, I entirely agree. It just annoys when the pundits keep papping on about getting fresh legs in January when they patently isn't the case.

The funny thing is we will have fresh legs when the likes of Dier, Aurier, Lamela, Verts, Rose et al come back

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

@SpursDave88 - I'm curious what you disagree with?
Are you saying there are fresh players to be bought in January, or was there some other element that I'm missing? Maybe you could suggest some "fresh legs"?

 

[SpursDave88]

@SpursDave88 - I'm curious what you disagree with?
Are you saying there are fresh players to be bought in January, or was there some other element that I'm missing? Maybe you could suggest some "fresh legs"?

I think you are missing the point on "fresh legs" Sissoko and Winks are playing too many games. Dembele and Wanyama are crocked. We need at least extra body so that we can rotate more and keep our players fresher. That is why we need fresh legs.

You seem to be implying that the only player that will help our squad is someone who hasn't played much.

I disagee.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I think you are missing the point on "fresh legs" Sissoko and Winks are playing too many games. Dembele and Wanyama are crocked. We need at least extra body so that we can rotate more and keep our players fresher. That is why we need fresh legs.

You seem to be implying that the only player that will help our squad is someone who hasn't played much.

I disagee.

In that case, you totally failed to see the difference between fresh legs and new legs. Maybe you can name a few fresh legs that we can buy in? The fact is that anyone worth buying will be as knackered as what we already have - hence my aspersion that they are not in fact fresh at all in January.
As JCRD mentions, the only fresh legs will be those returning from injury, and I doubt Poch will want to gamble on buying such players.

 

[SpursDave88]

In that case, you totally failed to see the difference between fresh legs and new legs. Maybe you can name a few fresh legs that we can buy in? The fact is that anyone worth buying will be as knackered as what we already have - hence my aspersion that they are not in fact fresh at all in January.
As JCRD mentions, the only fresh legs will be those returning from injury, and I doubt Poch will want to gamble on buying such players.

I don't agree. I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football - we've not been able to rotate or sub them at all - as well as progressing in every competition.

 

[dudu]

I don't agree. I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football - we've not been able to rotate or sub them at all - as well as progressing in every competition.

I am 100% certain that this is not true. Winks has played less mins in the prem than Dier

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I don't agree. I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football - we've not been able to rotate or sub them at all - as well as progressing in every competition.

We don't have a single midfielder in the top-20 in terms of minutes played in the league this year...

ETA - we don't have anyone in the top-40...

Moura is 41st with 1343 minutes, Sissoko has 1264. Ndidi leads the way with 1858

 

[HildoSpur]

I don't agree. I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football - we've not been able to rotate or sub them at all - as well as progressing in every competition.

Nope.

 

[$hoguN]

We don't have a single midfielder in the top-20 in terms of minutes played in the league this year...

ETA - we don't have anyone in the top-40...

Moura is 41st with 1343 minutes, Sissoko has 1264. Ndidi leads the way with 1858

That’s the problem with stats. The issue is not l the minutes they have played but the distribution of those minutes. With only Sissoko, Winks and Skipp being fit their workloads in a particularly busy period have been extremely high

 

[midoNdefoe]

We don't have a single midfielder in the top-20 in terms of minutes played in the league this year...

ETA - we don't have anyone in the top-40...

Moura is 41st with 1343 minutes, Sissoko has 1264. Ndidi leads the way with 1858

Are you purposefully ignoring cup minutes?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

That’s the problem with stats.

:shrug:

Statement was: " I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football"

Its demonstrably false.

Even if you include all minutes played by Sissoko and Winks - 1634, and 1631 respectively, those minutes would rank 20th among players only counting the other players league minutes.

Sometimes, stats say exactly what they mean....

Overall, I looked up Kante and Ndidi - 2008, 2038 total minutes respectively.
Milivojevic - 1825
Doucoure - 1754
Xhaka - 1915

Are you purposefully ignoring cup minutes?

see above

 

[southlondonyiddo]

:shrug:

Statement was: " I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football"

Its demonstrably false.

Even if you include all minutes played by Sissoko and Winks - 1634, and 1631 respectively, those minutes would rank 20th among players only counting the other players league minutes.

Sometimes, stats say exactly what they mean....

Overall, I looked up Kante and Ndidi - 2008, 2038 total minutes respectively.
Milivojevic - 1825
Doucoure - 1754
Xhaka - 1915





see above

Surely Poch meant the most minutes by any midfielders over the December/Xmas/New Year period

That statement would/must be correct...

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Surely Poch meant the most minutes by any midfielders over the December/Xmas/New Year period

That statement would/must be correct...

I don't know what Poch said - I was quoting SpursDave88.

There is no doubt that Sissoko and Wink have played a lot of minutes recently - but the reality is that signing someone now - won't change that. First, because we wouldn't sign anyone until the end of the window, and second, Poch will be reluctant to throw them in until they build fitness. We will eb getting Dier back soon, which will alleviate some of the CM pressure.

 

[vegassd]

That’s the problem with stats. The issue is not l the minutes they have played but the distribution of those minutes. With only Sissoko, Winks and Skipp being fit their workloads in a particularly busy period have been extremely high

It's really a problem of confirmation bias. As Spurs fans we pay more attention to Spurs games than other games so it's very easy to think that our players have been playing more often. If you don't want to do the barest bit of research before making statements such as "I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football" you have to be prepared to be massively wrong.

We always complain about lazy journalism. It's fine to point out lazy fan opinions as well.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

It's really a problem of confirmation bias. As Spurs fans we pay more attention to Spurs games than other games so it's very easy to think that our players have been playing more often. If you don't want to do the barest bit of research before making statements such as "I expect Sissoko and Winks have probably played more minutes than any other CMs in European football" you have to be prepared to be massively wrong.

We always complain about lazy journalism. It's fine to point out lazy fan opinions as well.

Exactly, and as I said, there aren't many players that we would wish to sign that haven't played a significant number of matches themselves so far - for example, Pulisic (who's position in the team, I believe, has been largely usurped by Jadon Sancho) has still managed 18 appearances - only 2 less than Harry Winks...........or, Sander Berge, who we have been closely linked to, has played 24 times - new legs, but hardly what I would call fresh legs!!!

 

[Primativ]

Exactly, and as I said, there aren't many players that we would wish to sign that haven't played a significant number of matches themselves so far - for example, Pulisic (who's position in the team, I believe, has been largely usurped by Jadon Sancho) has still managed 18 appearances - only 2 less than Harry Winks...........or, Sander Berge, who we have been closely linked to, has played 24 times - new legs, but hardly what I would call fresh legs!!!

Not to mention any player coming in from abroad, is likely going to have to step up their work rate and intensity, as the PL is a significant step up in terms of competitiveness compared to other leagues around the world. So someone like Sander Berge will not find it easy, and I doubt his fitness will be up to speed for at least 6 months.

 

[yiddo]

For me its not about the urgency to get fresh legs in for the remainder of the season, getting the likes of Verts, Dier, Dembele & Wanyama back asap is probably going to help us more this season than a couple of new additions.

Having said that, I was gutted we failed to improve the team in the summer, as much as I am surprised and thrilled how well we are doing this season I still feel it will comeback to haunt us and the longer we go by just relying on Poch's magic coaching ability, the worse the impact will be for us in the long run.
I really hope we are able to secure a couple of players that Poch wants not particularly for this season as we've seen it takes time for players to make an impact under Poch. Ideally get them in now to start the transition period but at the very least a deal or 2 similar to the Pullisic one where we dont see them until next season. Something to show Poch some future intent!

With Poch being targeted by the biggest clubs in the world and several important 1st team players contracts running down there is a potential perfect storm brewing now, if we dont act very soon we are taking an almighty risk. Keeping what we have surely has to be less costly than building it all over again, we were sh*t for a lot longer than we have been good....

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Is this or is this not a post about MoPo?
So why is all the talk about transfers?

I find this more on topic even if it's written on toilet paper
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/f...chettino-Ed-Woodward-James-Maddison-Leicester

 

[JCRD]

I saw his comments re Eriksen.... This is not talk of a man who intends to jump ship and certainly not the talk of a guy who has held talks with Manure. If he did, then fucking hell they didn't impress him.