The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[McFlash]

Levy, or the people he employs?

Yes, he's ultimately responsible. But you'd think he trusts the people he employed to sign players.

Again, we are going round in circles. I've said our recruitment has been shit. That's apparent.

I don't think he ever trusts the people he employs, he tries but just can't help himself.

I'm hoping this changes with Munn now but I'll be honest, I'm not hopeful.

 

[chas vs dave]

I don't think he ever trusts the people he employs, he tries but just can't help himself.

I'm hoping this changes with Munn now but I'll be honest, I'm not hopeful.

Do you think levy would sanction the signing of a 33 year old Croatian with no sell on value, on one of the highest wages at the club?

That sounds like the most un levy signing ever. Everyone knows he loves sell on value and asset appreciation. Who wouldn't as a business man.

 

[chas vs dave]

no one can argue against that

You still get disagrees mostly from people who just spam disagrees.

 

[McFlash]

Do you think levy would sanction the signing of a 33 year old Croatian with no sell on value, on one of the highest wages at the club?

That sounds like the most un levy signing ever. Everyone knows he loves sell on value and asset appreciation. Who wouldn't as a business man.

I don't know what Perisic is on wages wise but Naybet, Davids, Gallas etc.

He doesn't mind experienced players on big wages if they don't cost much to get.
They can be extremely beneficial to the squad and it's a cheap way of getting a 'big name'.
It's a short-term stop gap, nothing more than that.

 

[chas vs dave]

Honestly? I don't know but there's one constant in all these years that our squad has regressed and become so disjointed and that's Levy.

There's so much work to be done now it's ridiculous.
New keeper needed, new cb's, some creativity in midfield, another rwf and some permanent back up/potential replacement for Son.
And that's just to stay competitive.

There's no way we can patch all these holes in one, or even two, windows but we've just spent 40m on another r(w)b when we already have 2 and have just let one go for nothing.

We've gone so far backwards in the last 5 or so years, it's frightening.

Have we? We've done from around 2nd in 16/17, to 3rd, to 4th, to 4th, to 6th, to 4th, to ?

We are a 4th to 6th team at best at then moment, that's par for the course I've said the problem is that we stopped trying to be progressive and outsmart our rivals. Since we moved into the stadium, our planning has gone to pot. Overspending over planning.

However, that doesn't mean it can't change.

The issue for me is that we are in a glass ceiling situation. Since 16/17, city have bedded in pep, and spent 1.5 billion. Its becoming near impossible to win the league.

You have to get near 100 points to do it. Arsenal have been near flawless until they got a few injuries.

The league is slowly turning into the bundesliga, where 1 team wins and the next 6 just rotate.

 

[chas vs dave]

I don't know what Perisic is on wages wise but Naybet, Davids, Gallas etc.

He doesn't mind experienced players on big wages if they don't cost much to get.
They can be extremely beneficial to the squad and it's a cheap way of getting a 'big name'.
It's a short-term stop gap, nothing more than that.

Yes, in the late 2008 era, we then moved to buying talents, and up and coming players. Especially around avb, onwards

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Of course, no club can get whoever the manager may want but it feels like sometimes we don't even try to get a suitable alternative.
Then Levy seems to go rogue and just get in whatever bargain he can find.

Maybe we couldn't get Bastoni or Gvardiol but I can't believe that the best possible alternative was Lenglet on loan.

To be honest, I just don't get Levy because he's clearly not tight (as he's often called) but things like Porro don't really make sense.
Spending big in a specialist rwb for a manager that none of us though was going to stay.

It's this weird approach that gets me and why I've formed the opinion that Levy doesn't really have any vision as to what he wants us to be.
He won't spend big on a CB that we've been crying out for but will spend 40m on a highly specialised (and quite possibly limited) player that the next manager might not even want.
It once again felt like a panic buy.

How do we know levy has anything to do with Lenglet or Porro?

Conte/Paratici had previously scouted Lenglet for Juve so he was clearly already on their radar.

It was widely reported that Paratici was scouting Spence last season. We signed him in the summer and then Conte didn’t play him. Maybe Paratici convinced Levy that signing Porro was crucial to us finishing top 4 because Conte didn’t rate Spence so wasn’t gonna play him. Who knows.

Imo it was Paratici’s job to have the ‘vision’ for the squad and work with the manager to sign players in positions he requires. He convinced Levy to back Conte with more money than he ever has any other manager but maybe the budget wasn’t distributed as well as it should. That shouldn’t just be on Levy. Both Paratici and Conte need to share blame as they are the ones identifying and prioritising problem positions.

 

[McFlash]

Have we? We've done from around 2nd in 16/17, to 3rd, to 4th, to 4th, to 6th, to 4th, to ?

We are a 4th to 6th team at best at then moment, that's par for the course I've said the problem is that we stopped trying to be progressive and outsmart our rivals. Since we moved into the stadium, our planning has gone to pot. Overspending over planning.

However, that doesn't mean it can't change.

The issue for me is that we are in a glass ceiling situation. Since 16/17, city have bedded in pep, and spent 1.5 billion. Its becoming near impossible to win the league.

You have to get near 100 points to do it. Arsenal have been near flawless until they got a few injuries.

The league is slowly turning into the bundesliga, where 1 team wins and the next 6 just rotate.

Yeah and I've been mainly happy throughout those years but you can't look at our squad now and think it doesn't need a massive overhaul.
We should have been improving the squad over these past few years, by astute signings and quality youth, verging on breaking through.
One proper class signing a window would've helped to keep things fresh and moving forward but we've let too many positions go to root.

We needed a proper rebuild towards the end of Poch's reign but just keep patching and kicking the can down the road.
In my opinion, it's all catching up with us now and we're in real trouble.

 

[McFlash]

Yes, in the late 2008 era, we then moved to buying talents, and up and coming players. Especially around avb, onwards

Like Llorente?

 

[chas vs dave]

How do we know levy has anything to do with Lenglet or Porro?

Conte/Paratici had previously scouted Lenglet for Juve so he was clearly already on their radar.

It was widely reported that Paratici was scouting Spence last season. We signed him in the summer and then Conte didn’t play him. Maybe Paratici convinced Levy that signing Porro was crucial to us finishing top 4 because Conte didn’t rate Spence so wasn’t gonna play him. Who knows.

Imo it was Paratici’s job to have the ‘vision’ for the squad and work with the manager to sign players in positions he requires. He convinced Levy to back Conte with more money than he ever has any other manager but maybe the budget wasn’t distributed as well as it should. That shouldn’t just be on Levy. Both Paratici and Conte need to share blame as they are the ones identifying and prioritising problem positions.

Yes, however levy takes the ultimate responsibility, as he is the Head.

I have never admonished him of it, despite some people spamming disagrees.

 

[chas vs dave]

Like Llorente?

Thats fair, but he was a back up.

And he had dreamy eyes.

 

[McFlash]

How do we know levy has anything to do with Lenglet or Porro?

Conte/Paratici had previously scouted Lenglet for Juve so he was clearly already on their radar.

It was widely reported that Paratici was scouting Spence last season. We signed him in the summer and then Conte didn’t play him. Maybe Paratici convinced Levy that signing Porro was crucial to us finishing top 4 because Conte didn’t rate Spence so wasn’t gonna play him. Who knows.

Imo it was Paratici’s job to have the ‘vision’ for the squad and work with the manager to sign players in positions he requires. He convinced Levy to back Conte with more money than he ever has any other manager but maybe the budget wasn’t distributed as well as it should. That shouldn’t just be on Levy. Both Paratici and Conte need to share blame as they are the ones identifying and prioritising problem positions.

I agree with much of what you say.
Let's face it, none of us know anything about what goes on behind the scenes but this is a forum, so we're just shooting the shit, as it were.

There's really no right or wrong here, just supposition and opinion.
I've always been quite a pro-levy kinda guy but for me, there's a pattern here now and in hindsight, it's been there for quite a while.

 

[McFlash]

Thats fair, but he was a back up.

And he had dreamy eyes.

Didn't he just 🥹

 

[chas vs dave]

Didn't he just 🥹

He didn't need to negotiate, he just flashed those pearly blues....

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Of course I'm not a acolyte for ENIC. They've got loads of stuff wrong in my opinion. I don't feel backed into a corner though. I just feel that on balance the good far outweighs the bad and he hasn't made mistakes which I think are worthy of trying to hound him out of the club.(as if that were even possible). I do however think the vociferous nature of the criticism is cult like and it's both unhelpful and uncalled for.

I also don't understand all those who are still going on about Levy having nothing to do with the football side of the business and just focusing on the commercial side. That's exactly what he said he's been trying to do for at least the last 2 years. And now we've appointed Scott Munn to do exactly what they and Levy have been calling for they're all, I don't believe him, and they're still calling for Levy to step away from the football side of the club. That's what he's doing. Give it a chance.

No hyperbole there, all measured and factual There was me thinking the followers of Dear Dan such as yourself were the cult

 

[HedgieSpur]

Does anyone else think Levy is fucking about trying to see how Mason does before appointing a new manager if he does?
Wouldn't suprise if he holds off to end of season or evens offers it full time to Mason.

I certainly wouldn't be shocked if that was the case..but Ill save it for the Ryan Mason thread.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

Levy Still got a chance to save himself with Ralph as dof and JN as manager/coach. Other than that I think there’s no way to get the fan base back

 

[fecka]

On revenue we're 5th in England and 9th in the world. So reasonable expectations might look like this:

• Consistently playing good football.
• Qualifying for the Champions League more often than not, especially from next year when 5th in England will normally get a place.
• Occasionally having a poor season where with several games to go we're out of the UCL race, but also occasionally having a good season where we challenge for the title.
• Having sufficient squad depth to perform reasonably in domestic cups even when we rotate.
• Consistently very strong European performances given our greater financial strength than all bar 5 clubs on the continent - UCL quarter-finals, or at least getting to the semi-final if we're in the Europa. The Conference League should be winnable even with some rotation throughout.
• Comparable ticket prices to e.g. Arsenal who are similar in expectations, location, and having a modern ground. They charge an average of £1,095 when they are in the Europa, including 7 cup matches. Our prices are significantly higher despite no cup games being included.

Highly defensive football, terrible cup performances (not failing to win them, but losing to the likes of Colchester, Mura, Pacos de Ferreira etc), the most expensive tickets in the world, and mediocre league performances four years in a row now is not reasonable. It's not outside our control. It's the result of some very, very, very bad decision-making. Which is a real shame because I do think the board generally did fairly well up until that infamous no-transfers-window.

Revenue isn't necessarily the same as financial strength, however.
As a club, we don't have the cash strength of some of the other clubs and we've run at a loss for several years now.

 

[fecka]

Of course, no club can get whoever the manager may want but it feels like sometimes we don't even try to get a suitable alternative.
Then Levy seems to go rogue and just get in whatever bargain he can find.

Maybe we couldn't get Bastoni or Gvardiol but I can't believe that the best possible alternative was Lenglet on loan.

To be honest, I just don't get Levy because he's clearly not tight (as he's often called) but things like Porro don't really make sense.
Spending big in a specialist rwb for a manager that none of us though was going to stay.

It's this weird approach that gets me and why I've formed the opinion that Levy doesn't really have any vision as to what he wants us to be.
He won't spend big on a CB that we've been crying out for but will spend 40m on a highly specialised (and quite possibly limited) player that the next manager might not even want.
It once again felt like a panic buy.

My gripe with posts like these is that when things go wrong, it's always Levy's fault. When things go well it's due to the intelligence of those below him.

On one hand, Levy's supposed to stay the hell away from the footballing side but when Paratici, our DoF, together with Conte goes for Porro, then he's suddenly supposed to step in and not allow it? When he backs the manager, he's damned. When he doesn't, he's damned.

I think Levy's made a lot of poor decisions over the years, but the contradictive nature of a lot of criticism levied at him is mindboggling to me.
No matter what he does, he won't be able to win with some of our fans.

The biggest turn-off around Tottenham right now is our toxic fanbase that can't wait to criticize Levy, the players, the manager, and whoever else it may be, at every possible opportunity IMO.

 

[fecka]

Honestly? I don't know but there's one constant in all these years that our squad has regressed and become so disjointed and that's Levy.

There's so much work to be done now it's ridiculous.
New keeper needed, new cb's, some creativity in midfield, another rwf and some permanent back up/potential replacement for Son.
And that's just to stay competitive.

There's no way we can patch all these holes in one, or even two, windows but we've just spent 40m on another r(w)b when we already have 2 and have just let one go for nothing.

We've gone so far backwards in the last 5 or so years, it's frightening.

Hasn't he also at the same time been the constant for when the squad was improving in all those years? Moving us from midtable at best to a team battling it out with the best of them? You're almost making me a Levy defender with stuff like this, lol.

No, we haven't won more than one title which in itself is a failure, but for 16 or 17 of the 22 years he's been in charge we've been on an upward trajectory and we're objectively in a far superior place to when he started out.

Yes, we're currently in a shit place but we've been before and we've pushed on and done well. I was even making lengthy posts only yesterday about how much work we've to do in the upcoming windows but somehow your posts make me want to change my pessimistic view lol.