The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Dave1882]

My gripe with posts like these is that when things go wrong, it's always Levy's fault. When things go well it's due to the intelligence of those below him.

On one hand, Levy's supposed to stay the hell away from the footballing side but when Paratici, our DoF, together with Conte goes for Porro, then he's suddenly supposed to step in and not allow it? When he backs the manager, he's damned. When he doesn't, he's damned.

I think Levy's made a lot of poor decisions over the years, but the contradictive nature of a lot of criticism levied at him is mindboggling to me.
No matter what he does, he won't be able to win with some of our fans.

The biggest turn-off around Tottenham right now is our toxic fanbase that can't wait to criticize Levy, the players, the manager, and whoever else it may be, at every possible opportunity IMO.

Our fan base isn’t toxic. It’s been pushed too far with hugely increased prices, to see us fall back yet again, with the clubs ‘DNA’ nowhere to be seen given the dross we’ve had to watch for the last 4 years. That lays with Levy who has assembled the mess below him.

 

[fecka]

Our fan base isn’t toxic. It’s been pushed too far with hugely increased prices, to see us fall back yet again, with the clubs ‘DNA’ nowhere to be seen given the dross we’ve had to watch for the last 4 years. That lays with Levy who has assembled the mess below him.

Oh, the last 4 years have made me severely disillusioned with the club and it's almost made me a bit apathetic towards it.
But there will always be highs and lows no matter how good you are. Just a few years ago Pool couldn't get above 7th place, United's been subscribing to the Conference League, Chelsea have regularly imploded, Arsenal's been shit for years, Leicester was fighting for 4th just the other year, and are now genuinely threatened by relegation. About the only team that hasn't severely faltered in the last decade is City.

Yes, Levy should have done better.
But it's inevitable that there will be dips, especially as we hit the glass ceiling and tried to push on with a strategy almost every fan called for, and now that it's spectacularly failed we're seemingly trying to switch it up again.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Levy Still got a chance to save himself with Ralph as dof and JN as manager/coach. Other than that I think there’s no way to get the fan base back

Failed with an Italian duo, perhaps time to try a German duo.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Oh, the last 4 years have made me severely disillusioned with the club and it's almost made me a bit apathetic towards it.
But there will always be highs and lows no matter how good you are. Just a few years ago Pool couldn't get above 7th place, United's been subscribing to the Conference League, Chelsea have regularly imploded, Arsenal's been shit for years, Leicester was fighting for 4th just the other year, and are now genuinely threatened by relegation. About the only team that hasn't severely faltered in the last decade is City.

Yes, Levy should have done better.
But it's inevitable that there will be dips, especially as we hit the glass ceiling and tried to push on with a strategy almost every fan called for, and now that it's spectacularly failed we're seemingly trying to switch it up again.

Exactly. Perspective.

 

[HW61]

Of course I'm not a acolyte for ENIC. They've got loads of stuff wrong in my opinion. I don't feel backed into a corner though. I just feel that on balance the good far outweighs the bad and he hasn't made mistakes which I think are worthy of trying to hound him out of the club.(as if that were even possible). I do however think the vociferous nature of the criticism is cult like and it's both unhelpful and uncalled for.

I also don't understand all those who are still going on about Levy having nothing to do with the football side of the business and just focusing on the commercial side. That's exactly what he said he's been trying to do for at least the last 2 years. And now we've appointed Scott Munn to do exactly what they and Levy have been calling for they're all, I don't believe him, and they're still calling for Levy to step away from the football side of the club. That's what he's doing. Give it a chance.

Whilst I don’t agree with you I’ve liked your post more out of respecting your view that you believe Levy has on balance done more good than bad. The value of SC are the opposing views, and in truth you’ve made plenty of reasoned posts to back your views up.

I think there’s just a large percentage of fans who are are not an anti-Levy cult that have lost complete faith in ENIC having any football vision with fundamental failures in decision making since the decline of Poch. He called the Board out saying we needed a revolution when we were in good shape to keep the squad fresh with new energy, and what we have seen since is Levy patching up catalogue of failures with short term opportunism with no medium to long term football vision. So it’s not really a cult… it’s a growing frustration and anger at seeing what’s happened to the club and having no belief that ENIC are the owners to bring us success.

 

[easley91]

Our fan base isn’t toxic. It’s been pushed too far with hugely increased prices, to see us fall back yet again, with the clubs ‘DNA’ nowhere to be seen given the dross we’ve had to watch for the last 4 years. That lays with Levy who has assembled the mess below him.

It very much is toxic.

 

[HildoSpur]

Our fan base isn’t toxic. It’s been pushed too far with hugely increased prices, to see us fall back yet again, with the clubs ‘DNA’ nowhere to be seen given the dross we’ve had to watch for the last 4 years. That lays with Levy who has assembled the mess below him.

Oh we are probably the most toxic set of fans in the league right now.

 

[Wiener]

The unrest at Tottenham Hotspur runs deeper than just the first team

Good article in the Athletic (subscription required).

I don't have time to go into detail but two key areas he identifies as a problem are the disruptive effects of COVID and the significant staff and strategic changes which have been made since then.

He also highlights the issue of the Academy being sidelined since the arrival of Mourihno and Conte as well as Levy's difficulty in delegating authority, something that Levy is aware and trying to change.

Overall he paints a picture of a club not so much in turmoil but undergoing significant change. It reads like a balanced appraisal with plenty of underlying positives.

 

[Gingernut]

Oh we are probably the most toxic set of fans in the league right now.

that corresponds directly with the fact the club is being managed like one of the worst in the league right now

 

[Wiener]

Our fan base isn’t toxic. It’s been pushed too far with hugely increased prices, to see us fall back yet again, with the clubs ‘DNA’ nowhere to be seen given the dross we’ve had to watch for the last 4 years. That lays with Levy who has assembled the mess below him.

I am not a Levy out advocate but I do agree the two issues of ticket pricing and the lack of entertainment on the pitch are individually not acceptable. In combination they are a disaster.

 

[HildoSpur]

that corresponds directly with the fact the club is being managed like one of the worst in the league right now

It does, we all know the reasons - but when you have the supporters booing their own player while they are on the pitch and then cheering when he gets subbed that shows that it is not just because of how the club is right now - there is a sense of entitlement and arrogance that we have as supporters that does not match the stature and success of our club. We need to learn a bit of humility. This is why every other club in the league absolutely hates us and why the media love to laugh at us.

 

[mil1lion]

Honestly? I don't know but there's one constant in all these years that our squad has regressed and become so disjointed and that's Levy.

There's so much work to be done now it's ridiculous.
New keeper needed, new cb's, some creativity in midfield, another rwf and some permanent back up/potential replacement for Son.
And that's just to stay competitive.

There's no way we can patch all these holes in one, or even two, windows but we've just spent 40m on another r(w)b when we already have 2 and have just let one go for nothing.

We've gone so far backwards in the last 5 or so years, it's frightening.

I don't fully agree with that, I think we've got back on track the last 2 years. I don't think things are that bad. We certainly need to replace some of the old guard though. On the subject of wing forward we've signed Gil, Kulusevski and Porro/Perisic who are originally wing forwards, with an option on Danjuma. There's plenty of potential to work with. We're just seeing the worst of a lot of players but we have a lot of young prospects too.

For me it fell apart when we moved away from a DOF model. That period was when we went without any signings for a while and only a few followed after. Once we got Paratici we got things going again. We probably needed 3 summer windows to really rebuild and since Paratici we've had 2. Getting the right DOF now is key.

 

[Wiener]

Whilst I don’t agree with you I’ve liked your post more out of respecting your view that you believe Levy has on balance done more good than bad. The value of SC are the opposing views, and in truth you’ve made plenty of reasoned posts to back your views up.

I think there’s just a large percentage of fans who are are not an anti-Levy cult that have lost complete faith in ENIC having any football vision with fundamental failures in decision making since the decline of Poch. He called the Board out saying we needed a revolution when we were in good shape to keep the squad fresh with new energy, and what we have seen since is Levy patching up catalogue of failures with short term opportunism with no medium to long term football vision. So it’s not really a cult… it’s a growing frustration and anger at seeing what’s happened to the club and having no belief that ENIC are the owners to bring us success.

I think you make good and relevant points. If you have time and access to the Athletic I recommend you today's article in the Athletic

The unrest at Tottenham Hotspur runs deeper than just the first team

It goes into detail on how we have lost our way since Pochettino but there is a ray of hope. For one, it opines that Levy is aware of his faults and is working on delegating authority which is the best we can hope for as he is our Supreme Leader.

 

[mil1lion]

It very much is toxic.

Oh we are probably the most toxic set of fans in the league right now.

Yes it has been with the games I've gone too this season. The good thing is things can change very quickly. I was watching the City game reminiscing over this time last year. It felt kind of similar to our chase for 4th beating arsenal at our place by 3 goals before we overtook them. That NLD was one of the best games I've been too. This season has been crazy though, we've not had a single run of good performances all season. This is the biggest issue we have because for the most part the last few years the football has been passive and negative. This season feels like it's just boiled over. If we can get back on the front foot again under a manager the fans can believe in the atmosphere will turn back around.

 

[McFlash]

I don't fully agree with that, I think we've got back on track the last 2 years. I don't think things are that bad. We certainly need to replace some of the old guard though. On the subject of wing forward we've signed Gil, Kulusevski and Porro/Perisic who are originally wing forwards, with an option on Danjuma. There's plenty of potential to work with. We're just seeing the worst of a lot of players but we have a lot of young prospects too.

For me it fell apart when we moved away from a DOF model. That period was when we went without any signings for a while and only a few followed after. Once we got Paratici we got things going again. We probably needed 3 summer windows to really rebuild and since Paratici we've had 2. Getting the right DOF now is key.

Yeah, you're probably right and I suppose I'm just feeling down because of the state we seem to be on right now, with no DoF and no manager.
Especially because when Paratici first arrived we did appear to be getting back in track but it's fallen apart. Even if Paratici didn't really seem to fit our style, he did a good job all in all.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bryan and Danjuma but we've hardly seen anything of them.
I also like Porro but I'm worried about where he'll fit under a new manager.

It's just so fucking important that we get the next manager and DoF right but because I've lost faith in Levy, the suspense is killing me.
With his choices over the past few years, I've lost all confidence in him.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

that corresponds directly with the fact the club is being managed like one of the worst in the league right now

in the league? in the world!

 

[Cinemattis]

Sooo … have we ousted him yet?!

 

[Dave1882]

Oh we are probably the most toxic set of fans in the league right now.

Right now being the operative. Any set of fans going through same circumstances wouldn’t be happy. If club can steer onto the right course, things will improve again.

 

[Mate]

Sooo … have we ousted him yet?!

I think there's more chance of Levy ousting us

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It very much is toxic.

Targeting individual players to boo their every touch on the pitch or jeer sarcastically is about as toxic as it gets.