The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Russ1201]

Why is Levy talking about FFP in two years when we are no where near having a problem with it and FFP has been proven time and time again to be completely irrelevant to every big club

Lining up his next excuse for minimum transfer spend in the summer.

 

[ReadieSpur]

No, you are advocating boycotts.

I wish our fans actually supported the team. The atmosphere has been pathetic at home this season.

Enic aren't going anywhere soon. If people want to protest, then it should be after the match. That's how it happened with the sugar out demonstration. I was there.

We are 3 points off 4th, and still in 2 Cup competitions. Things are no way as bad as people make out.

Exactly. The fans that boo players onto and off the pitch, the fans that boo at half time, the fans that dont sing and moan and sigh constantly. They will all be just as culpable as anyone else if we dont play well. We are in a good position in the league, and in the CL. Mets bloody enjoy it and play our part as fans.

 

[chas vs dave]

Saying to win the league is like a taboo. Nobody is allowed to say it. Even Mourinho and Conte did not mention them, for serial winners like them, almost specifically reminded by the club to better not say it. On hindsight of how clueless we looked sometimes as club, is almost as if we are very afraid to win something.

No one says they are going to come in and win. It's a standard statement.

For example:

Mansour's letter promised to "build a team capable of sustaining a presence in the top four of the Premier League and winning European honours".

Only a fool would come out and say they are going to win things, it's one thing you cannot guarantee, as spending doesn't always equate to unrivalled success. Look at utd right now.

 

[Sophos151]

Controversial I know, but the board are right.

The spending now very much is competitive with our rivals - I believe neck-and-neck with Arsenal once our loans are made permanent. Likewise, they’ve sensibly acknowledged the risk of signings like Ndombele and Lo Celso, and overhauled our scouting and recruitment teams in response to that. They’ve installed a massively better system, headed by one of the most high-profile Directors of Football in the world.

The current ENIC-out movement must be baffling to them, considering they’re spending more than ever before, and having less involvement in who that’s spent on than ever before (maybe bar the Arnesen years?). Honestly it confuses me too, to a degree - everything the ENIC-out movement says was right for 80% of ENIC’s tenure, but no longer is since we moved into the new stadium. Which is, incidentally, what ENIC always said the plan was, to built the game-changer stadium and then start to compete.

In my view the real problem with ENIC is chasing instant success with Mourinho and Conte, rather than having the patience to implement a proper long-term project. Which, incidentally, is what all our rivals are doing now, none of them are hiring big-name instant-success managers anymore.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Exactly. The fans that boo players onto and off the pitch, the fans that boo at half time, the fans that dont sing and moan and sigh constantly. They will all be just as culpable as anyone else if we dont play well. We are in a good position in the league, and in the CL. Mets bloody enjoy it and play our part as fans.

being out of the title race is far from a "good position"

 

[neogenisis]

The statement widens the gap and disconnect between the club and the fanbase. It very much feels like they are saying *Hang the fuck on you lot, this is what we have done so far, you need to be thankful.*

 

[Guernman]

No one says they are going to come in and win. It's a standard statement.

For example:

Mansour's letter promised to "build a team capable of sustaining a presence in the top four of the Premier League and winning European honours".

Only a fool would come out and say they are going to win things, it's one thing you cannot guarantee, as spending doesn't always equate to unrivalled success. Look at utd right now.

You may have a point, since while they have dominated the league City still haven’t won the European honours they were promised…

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Agreed. It made a lot of sense.

Unfortunately sense is what's lacking at the top.

These protests aren't going to remove ENIC or Levy, of course they aren't. He'll carry on being 'surprised' at the way fans have turned, they'll (the board) carry on thinking they are doing it the right way and at some point soon we'll carry on falling for it. It's obvious to me that the best we can hope to achieve is the sort of cosmetic lip service provided yesterday to shut the hoi polloi up, give it time, it'll all die down and at some point, Levy will luck and blunder into something a la Poch, the team will do well for a period and at some point (again), laurels will be sat on, money, philosophy and ambition won't be forthcoming and it all goes sour again.

At when that happens we can all resume micro arguing silly little fuck-all points that lose sight of and deflect from the real problem because it makes us look like those are the issues when they aren't. If you cut out and cut through all the petty and distracting asides, the 'on the pitch' side of the club has been disgracefully neglected to the point where fans have turned en masse and this isn't some sort of mass delusion, we've every right to be unhappy, cut through it all and there's been no direction, philosophy or plan because the man at the top isn't cut out for that. So it's easy to see why when he uses the word 'investment', it's not in the sense we think.

It's all gotten to stale, it's all too 'meh', fans are switching off in droves, hardly anyone enjoys the whole shitty situation and people defend them?

Change is badly needed now and that feeling has been coming for a long time


EDIT: I forgot to say that If you don't see the point in specific forms of protest, fine, but again, you're arguing the finer points when the big picture is slipping by. In whatever (reasonable) form it might take, protest IS our voice, and it is the only real voice we have.

Oust!

 

[ReadieSpur]

being out of the title race is far from a "good position"

? Case in point. The same is true for 17 other teams in the league. We dont have the backing of a nation state. Some fans need to get over that. We have done it organically, similar to to Arsenal, however we're a good few years behind them. Their new stadium changed it for them, but they had to wait a good number of years for the payoff. Our fans expect the payoff almost the next day ?

honestly, it feels like we're only one step away from setting up a Spurs Fans TV ??

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

? Case in point. The same is true for 17 other teams in the league. We dont have the backing of a nation state. Some fans need to get over that. We have done it organically, similar to to Arsenal, however we're a good few years behind them. Their new stadium changed it for them, but they had to wait a good number of years for the payoff. Our fans expect the payoff almost the next day ?

honestly, it feels like we're only one step away from setting up a Spurs Fans TV ??

Good point and if the PL only consisted of teams who had won silverware in the last 10 years it would look pretty bare , do have to wonder why fans of other teams e.g Palace , Everton etc turn up every week, none of them have any chance of winning much.

 

[Lea]

It's difficult. We want to make the board aware in no uncertain terms that we want change, but only have one main outlet each week to do that. Sadly that outlet is the same one where we also want to have a great atmosphere and get behind the players and manager. Off the back of a couple of half-decent results, Kane about to break our goalscoring record, Son maybe coming into a modicum of form and our new players hopefully making their home debuts it's really difficult to get the balance right.

I'm not a regular match-goer but I am a long term member. Others spend far, far more money on the club than I, so I can't preach to them about how they want to vent. Just don't want the atmosphere to negatively affect the players.

That it exactly my point, and we are ST holders

 

[Lea]

So what about the fans who do agree and my we for the thousands of fans home and away who have been voicing their displeasure at the way the football side of the club is being run.
As fans we need to remember that's it's Tottenham Hotspur Football club we support not what Enic are trying to turn us into.

You and me don’t know the numbers we assume, yes we support Tottenham nothing else but toxic atmosphere only and I emphasis only help Man City and do nothing useful to Tottenham the rest is up to you.

 

[chas vs dave]

Unfortunately sense is what's lacking at the top.

These protests aren't going to remove ENIC or Levy, of course they aren't. He'll carry on being 'surprised' at the way fans have turned, they'll (the board) carry on thinking they are doing it the right way and at some point soon we'll carry on falling for it. It's obvious to me that the best we can hope to achieve is the sort of cosmetic lip service provided yesterday to shut the hoi polloi up, give it time, it'll all die down and at some point, Levy will luck and blunder into something a la Poch, the team will do well for a period and at some point, laurels will be sat on, money, philosophy and ambition won't be forthcoming and it all goes sour again.

At which point we can all resume micro arguing silly little fuck-all points that lose sight of and deflect from the real problem because it makes us look like those are the issues when they aren't. If you cut out and cut through all the petty asides, the 'on the pitch' side of the club has been disgracefully neglected to the point where fans have turned en masse and this isn't some sort of mass delusion, cut through it all and there's been no direction, philosophy or plan because the man at the top isn't cut out for that. So it's easy to see why when he uses the word 'investment', it's not in the sense we think.

It's all gotten to stale, it's all too 'meh', fans are switching off in droves, hardly anyone enjoys the whole shitty situation and people defend them?

Change is badly needed now and that feeling has been coming for a long time

I can totally agree with you. Change is needed, however wishing Enic out and protesting isn't going to change anything for the better for the short to mid term at least. It could make things worse.

My point about trying to get fan representation in Tottenhams organisation would be the only logical step forward in the short term.

The biggest issue is the discord between fans and the ownership.

I'm of the mindset that this can be improved, it would at least provide a step in the right direction.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The opportunity to take Pope for £10m in the summer was there but we didn’t for whatever inexcusable reason, one of the best hg keepers in the league and we’re not all over it when we know Hugo is shot? Absolutely mental.
We’ll probably pay £40m for Pickford instead in the summer….

Pope is even worst with his feet than Lloris. Also everyone creaming themselves when Hugo signed a new contract. A first choice GK was not a priority in the summer. Hugo still captained France to the WC final, yea he’s starting to decline but it’s not quite the emergency you’re making out to be.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Exactly. The fans that boo players onto and off the pitch, the fans that boo at half time, the fans that dont sing and moan and sigh constantly. They will all be just as culpable as anyone else if we dont play well. We are in a good position in the league, and in the CL. Mets bloody enjoy it and play our part as fans.

100%. Your job as a supporter in the stadium is to use your energy to help the team perform to a higher standard. Creating a toxic atmosphere does nothing but drain confidence from players.

 

[chas vs dave]

You may have a point, since while they have dominated the league City still haven’t won the European honours they were promised…

Yep. They look foolish now ??

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Like you, I’m a season ticket holder (Platinum) of over 30+ years.

We all make our choices, but I’m really glad I didn’t listen to people like you on the 80s telling me my anti-apartheid protests were “pointless” and “will never change anything”.

Rather than high-handedly sneering at a fellow fan for trying to instigate change, I feel those who are not willing to docilely accept what ENIC are doing should be applauded, irrespective of whether you personally agree with the specific actions (booing, tennis balls onto the pitch, marches outside the stadium) they are planning to take.

Comparing protesting against ENIC to the anti-apartheid movement WOW. I really need to log off for the day.

 

[jolsnogross]

Levy's not going anywhere, but protests remind him that he isn't god. Without protests, he'd think he's killing it even more than he does in his bubble.

I love when the the window closes. So much bullshit and angst. Good to get back the the footy. And get back to hating first halves and being sometimes content with second halves

 

[DarwinSpur]

#MOSHIRIIN

 

[Japhet]

Could a new chairman solve our problems or do we need new owners?

Depends how you classify 'our problems'. If it's a case that we can't can't compete financially on the ridiculously skewed playing field of the EPL, then yes, we need to sell out and become a 'plastic' club. I don't find that outcome the least bit acceptable but I'm sure a large majority would be fine with it. Football in general has now become a cheque writing competition first and foremost and modern society demands instant gratification in just about everything. That's an alien concept to me and I find more joy in my local, completely crap team than I do with the horrifically greedy world of top tier football.