The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Spursfan1414]

It massively changes the point. This place has been nowhere near what you're suggesting. Not even for eight years.

It changes nothing about the point if this place was very pro-Levy back in the 2000s. On the 8 years, we just disagree about that.

Anyway, didn't post to personally argue the case with every poster on here, just wanted to point out that the sentiment in here is not typical of everywhere (and hasn't been for a long time) and that cannot just be blamed on foreign fans disagreeing with match going fans.

It's not a surprise to me that the reaction on Reddit or comments on the Athletic are so different to on here when it comes to the ownership/statement because that's been my experience for the entirety of the time I've been reading on here. It's not a remotely new thing for this forum to be far more Levy Out than elsewhere. Honestly, I thought that would be the least controversial thing I said in that post.

The poll had this place at 82% ENIC Out. That's nowhere near typical of other forums.

 

[Trotter]

Nah I’m not buying this. Our away support has been absolutely fantastic! Particularly since the World Cup. They’ve constantly been chanting “Antonio” and “We Want Levy Out!”. That hasn’t had an adverse effect on the players; quite the opposite. Our away form is second only to the Scum this year. Perhaps the chanting is only really “toxic” to those who want Levy/ENIC to remain? I can see how your opinion has merit Lea, but respectfully disagree with you on this one mate.

Not sure it is as black and white as you are suggesting John even with the away support.
Yes a fair proportion are singing we want Levy Out, but there is still a large section that isn’t, probably greater than those that have been. I would also say those singing Antonio have very much been in the minority. However in the last couple of games at least the ones not in support of Antonio have at least allowed the Antonio songs to be heard, prior to that they were usually just drowned out by those against/not supportive of him singing something else. And yes there has been a few incidents of Spurs on Spurs at the recent games

 

[Retoanderik88]

The rage boner some of you have for Levy borders on impressive.

 

[Cel]

Nah I’m not buying this. Our away support has been absolutely fantastic! Particularly since the World Cup. They’ve constantly been chanting “Antonio” and “We Want Levy Out!”. That hasn’t had an adverse effect on the players; quite the opposite. Our away form is second only to the Scum this year. Perhaps the chanting is only really “toxic” to those who want Levy/ENIC to remain? I can see how your opinion has merit Lea, but respectfully disagree with you on this one mate.

It's because they support the team on the pitch whilst doing it. IMO the Levy/ENIC Out stuff isn't what's toxic - but the booing of the players is. You can support the team on the pitch and create a nasty place for away teams to come, and also spend every boring down time protesting the board - it's 2 different things I think.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Talking about ambition and he talks about property investments. Fuck off Levy

It's all connected though lol. But if you don't understand the connection between generating additional revenue streams through better infrastructure, and enhancing player performance through better facilities then I can't help you.

 

[$hoguN]

It's all connected though lol. But if you don't understand the connection between generating additional revenue streams through better infrastructure, and enhancing player performance through better facilities then I can't help you.

The problem is that Levy seems to think proper investment in the squad is short termism. That means that our ambition is solely focussed on the growing the additional revenue streams rather than success on the pitch.

There is always a balance but Levy is clearly falling too far one side.

 

[spursfan77]

Member since 2015 So your experience of 'always' is eight years and i'd argue that the first three or four years, if not longer, it wasn't anywhere near like this.

Going further back, SC was Levy-love central. Big time.

Definitely. I only switched over to loathing the fucker during the manager search summer farce. That’s when it was plain to see he was flying by the seat of his pants.

Edit: also the sacking of Mourinho when it happened was ridiculous. We could have won that cup.

 

[spursfan77]

Booing is one thing but the anti levy chants were heard throughout recent away games. The point is that it wasnt just confined to on here which it clearly isnt.

It’s the same on COYS and TFC. It can’t be all the same posters posting their dissatisfaction on the 3 main forums.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

The problem is that Levy seems to think proper investment in the squad is short termism. That means that our ambition is solely focussed on the growing the additional revenue streams rather than success on the pitch.

There is always a balance but Levy is clearly falling too far one side.

There is certainly some truth in what you say, but I see so much shit written about ENIC just being interested in profit when they have never taken money out the club, and all profits have always been ploughed back into the team, that it makes me think a lot of people don't understand the connection.

 

[chrisd2k]

It's all connected though lol. But if you don't understand the connection between generating additional revenue streams through better infrastructure, and enhancing player performance through better facilities then I can't help you.

Ok so have we seen said connection? As in on the grass rectangle? If you can't see the point I can't help you.

 

[Hotspur33]

I didn't miss that, but again it just feels like corporate junk, as stated, a human touch is needed.
With all the protests recently, something like "We want to deliver silverware for the loyal supporters of this club, it's been too long for a club of our stature, we want the fans to feel connected again and we plan to rectify this"

What is the difference? Your draft isn’t exactly the work of Shakespeare. If they had used the phrase ‘we plan to rectify this’ they would be slaughtered for not telling us what the plan is.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Ok so have we seen said connection? As in on the grass rectangle? If you can't see the point I can't help you.

Pointless responding to someone who has already made up their mind.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Levy is the best thing that has happened to this club since Bill Nic.
?

One gave us the double and the other the term ‘Spursy’.

 

[Hotspur33]

Yeah, and Barcelona selling their rights to everything for the next 1000 years too. Both Barca and Real have been known for spending relative huge amounts of money for decades, so it's massively rich coming from them, even if they do have a point.

IMO, it's a stupid rule they are bringing in, as it will just leave an even bigger gap between the rich teams and the poorer teams. To level the playing field, there would have to be a salary and transfer cap.

I’m all for this. Although I fear that there would be all sorts of clever accounting like in the rugby.
I suspect players would suddenly get massively inflated sponsorships from the owner’s, godson’s lemonade stall.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Pointless responding to someone who has already made up their mind.

I think pretty much everyone has

There's copious amount of horse dung being flung over the fence from both sides.

 

[jackson]

There is certainly some truth in what you say, but I see so much shit written about ENIC just being interested in profit when they have never taken money out the club, and all profits have always been ploughed back into the team, that it makes me think a lot of people don't understand the connection.

Wouldn't you say that all profits have been ploughed back into the 'club' rather than the team?

It's quite different and that, of course, is about increasing the value of the asset, using funds generated by the club, to do so, in order to maximise profit when they exit. The rights and wrongs can be argued but I don't think ENIC being about profit can be.

 

[chrisd2k]

Pointless responding to someone who has already made up their mind.

Straight back at you ?

 

[SandroClegane]

It’s the same on COYS and TFC. It can’t be all the same posters posting their dissatisfaction on the 3 main forums.

If you broke down the entire collection of match-going Spurs supporters, I'd venture a guess that only 10-20% of them are active on forums. There's probably 10-20% that aren't online at all, and then another 60-80% that maybe check twitter or lurk when they're bored or there's potential big news coming.

 

[SandroClegane]

Our home support has been the worst I have seen it in over 20 years.

No chanting, lots of booing, groans.

I'm not sure it's to do with enic, or more to do with the football being served up. However, we have an opportunity to get a run going. We need to make the stadium a fortress.

I'd prefer if people want to vent at the owners, they'd do it after the match. However, it is totally up to each individual.

I guess Sunday will be a good gauge of where the crowd actually is.

It would be great if match-goers realized they can express discontent at Levy and the board while fully getting behind the team on the field throughout the match. The away support has done an excellent job of this recently.

But the moaning at Emerson misplacing a pass or booing the team off at halftime really needs to stop because it doesn't help anyone.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Wouldn't you say that all profits have been ploughed back into the 'club' rather than the team?

It's quite different and that, of course, is about increasing the value of the asset, using funds generated by the club, to do so, in order to maximise profit when they exit. The rights and wrongs can be argued but I don't think ENIC being about profit can be.

Yes I would agree with some of that to an extent.

Certainly before the stadium project really kicked off every time we made big player sale there was a clear correlation with how we then looked to use those profits to improved the team, and that's how we made steady progress. When the stadium project kicked off there were less player sales but also less investment in the team and more on infrastructure.

Now we are out the other side of the pandemic we have seen an increase of spending on the team. Now the spend on infrastructure has given the club more ability to generate more revenue.

Overall ENIC, as an investment company, are ultimately going to be about profit. But they make that profit when they sell their investment. And in our case building good infrastructure and creating a successful team is going to help them maximise that profit.