The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[spursfan77]

Not environmentally friendly but this thread and those like it on the other main forums and twitter threads should be printed off hundreds of times and sent in the post to the club.

Bombard them with what the actual fans think about him and ENIC. If it was done by these fan groups that wanted them out then it would increase the pressure. They could crowdfund to get the money together to do it. The club would be inundated for weeks with it. They wouldn’t be able to ignore that and done would find it’s way to Levy.

On top of the protests and chants at the stadium of course.

When the financial records come out they’ll be destroyed on social media etc.

I also want to know what’s happened to the £50 million that wasn’t drawn down from the shard issue by the end of December. Has that completely been lost now?

 

[Stavrogin]

And that's a fair point. The current situation at the club is a mess. Too much uncertainty, and a severe lack of clarity. That falls on levy.

I'm not bothered about how much we spend. We are spending a lot, it just feels like we prioritise players market value, over value to the club at times. That needs to change. Imo

This is one aspect where I do have more sympathy with Levy than most.

When you have players like Winks and Alli come through and they become internationals with high reputations and suddenly their value is £50/100m, that's a significant bonus. And then if you are forward thinking you'd likely factor this into your planning... the income they might bring in/have saved could be used for x or y.

So to see that evaporate due to often intangible reasons can be hard to accept. And I can understand why the moneymen are reluctant to just discard them like some fans want.

But financial reaons are often contiguous with footballing reasons, especially for a club like us. You can see it with mourinho. He understood it was far better to try to rehabilitate Alli than give up.

Same with Ndombele, he definitely showed his potential. He was a big investment but also correspondingly a rare talent. I think Levy was justified in thinking that someone could harness him and we could have had one of the best players in the world. Simply because it has happened so often. Pochettino and Redknapp both unlocked the latent talent/value we had in the squad. Its not unfeasible that someone could again.

So I agree it does feel as though we look as players as investments a little more than most clubs. But I don't think it's as significant a problem as some make out because talent and value are often synonymous.

We've just not made any transformative signings in a while - players or managers.

 

[dirtyh]

levy, you ****, i see you, you can see me

would love 20k fans to chant this in one go during a televised game.

if he put as much effort into the football side of things as he did in the business side we'd be like 1970 brazil.

sigh. again.

 

[chas vs dave]

I didn’t mention brainwashed did I?

Apologies, whilst I mentioned this in the reply, it wasn't directed at you. ?

 

[spursfan77]

There is more negativity simply because there are a lot more fans, here, on social media and in reality that had given Levy the benefit of the doubt and have now come off of the fence and want him gone.
Maybe I'm blinded by bias but I don't see the genie being put back in the bottle any time soon

I supported him for a long time. Probably up until the start of 2020 but it was probably around the time of the sacking of Mourinho and then that summer appointment of Nuno that I turned. It’s been a farce since then.

Rob said in the transfer thread that the anti Enic stuff gets to levy. If we want them gone then the pressure needs to be turned up. But we need to back the team more than ever. No more booing at half time, more supporting the team and manager but keep the levy out chants going.

 

[vegassd]

What frustrates me most has already been mentioned today. The stadium was supposed to be the game changer for us and enable us to compete with the big boys, but clearly that’s not the case and we’re still not truly willing to invest big to strengthen the team.

COYS ?

I both agree and disagree with you on this - probably why so many of these discussions go round in circles! I think the stadium is a game changer in terms of the money available, but we need that willingness to spend.

I do think we have been spending more, and certainly with Paratici there seems to be a different way of acting in the transfer market. But this window in particular has felt like we are left very short.

We are also still getting over the past mistakes as Conte pointed out early on. I'm not saying that accounts for everything, but Doherty's contract being cancelled is a direct symptom of us still having Ndombele and Lo Celso on the books for example. The stadium was never going to transform us overnight and that's something we have to accept as fans. But I think we can definitely be more demanding.

If we are stuck, then there has to be a voice to make change within the current structure. THST are not it, imo. There should be some body who can at least put across the fans perspective, in a manner that will get the club listening to what the fans are looking for

I 100% agree with the problems lying in recruitment. I don't necessarily want enic, or levy out. I just want a meaningful change to how the club operates. ?

Part of the problem would be defining what the fan perspective is because we all have differing views. But yeah, in general I think that being able to communicate our specific concerns and demands is way more productive than just trying to get Levy sacked. He would only be replaced by somebody else that fans grow to hate.

The recruitment definitely has to improve, and that includes for coaching staff and outgoings. We appear to still be hamstrung by our "deadwood" players, and although that's not an easy situation to solve I think we need to see at least 4 of them out the door this Summer.

And of course, if Conte is gone this Summer then the new manager has to be one that will utilise the players we have available. I don't think they need to play the same formation necessarily, but we need to stop these cycles of squad clear outs. Despite some of the gloominess, we do have some very good players. We can make improvements for sure, but we need a manager who can get a tune out of them.

 

[dannythomas]

Bentancur
Kulu
Forster
Lenglet
Richarlisson
Bissouma
Spence
Perisic
Danjuma
Porro

That‘s 10 players signed in 12 months. Now maybe not all were Conte’s first choice. We may have missed out on a few that he wanted. But if 12 months ago we were asked if we would settle for those signings I think most of us would have taken it. After all we got Champions League without 8 of them so isn’t it down to Conte that we have not progressed ?

Now I‘m not defending Levy. The Porro saga was infuriating and his haggling over deals again and again have cost uș many signings over the years. But it’s not really accurate to say Conte hasn’t been supported.

 

[Albertbarich]

Isn't this the complete opposite of what people criticise him for? People claim he doesn't back his managers, but the only way this utterly lunatic bid would have been rejected would have been if whoever the gaffer was at the time wanted to keep him. Even in today's inflated market, £40m will buy you a much better winger than Lucas at his peak for Spurs (one night in Amsterdam excluded).

Jack didn't say the manager wanted to keep him though. In the same thing he spoke about not selling Danny Rose to Chelsea for huge money when Poch wanted to, Dier and Toby to United, Poch wanted to. he said Poch saw the Dele decline way before everybody and wanted to sell in 2017, Levy wasn't having it.

The point was about us never ever selling players for good money and Levy not accepting that sometimes we should sell when the time is right but he won't because of the dear of being seen as a selling club but on the other hand he won't/can't spend the money that huge clubs do so we're caught in-between where we can't sell anyone but also have to find deals to buy people with lots of players under contract already who we don't want and they don't want to be here.

 

[Hotspur33]

looking up at spurs, wishing they had CL football, a world class stadium, wishing they

We’re a laughing stock due to our lack of trophies and consistent failure. We’re the only club in the so called big 6 that’s one fuck all for 15 years.

And that’s bollocks Re younger supporters wanting ENIC out - it’s been covered in another thread. Most of the people sat near me in the stadium and all my Spurs supporting pals want them out and all are 40+

Our Matchday revenue covers £100M a season without touching sponsorship, TV money etc so I don’t buy that argument either

edit: apologies @cliff jones i didn’t mean to quote you in this response!

I think the lack of trophies is likely to be because we haven’t had the squad depth to fight on all 4 fronts. Hard to get quality players to sign up to being rotation options when you’re a jolly come lately, offering lower wages.
The stadium turnover is a very new benefit.

 

[Hotspur33]

I want Levy and Enic out. But no matter how numerous the number of fans want them out, they will only go on their own terms.
I must admit that since they took over our club, we have made enormous strides forward. However, in all walks of life and in any given business, after a number of years things start to become stale. The reason for this is because you become reluctant to change what you believe has always worked out relatively well for you over the years.

A prime example of this is in a family run business. When the business owner/s reach the retirement age, the are reluctant to hand over the directorship of their business to younger family members. They firmly believe that once they make way, the business will fail and all will be lost.

Therefore, as much as I want a fresh start and want Levy/Enic to make way and step aside, I believe that no matter how much I scream and shout, they will only leave on their own terms, whenever they want and for the amount of money they will demand.

I’m Levy In, but this is the most reasonable post I’ve seen from a Levy out. Respect for that.
I would not be opposed to someone coming in and throwing money about like Chelsea are. The sad truth is, it is the most probable route to success. The fact Levy hasn’t/won’t/can’t do that, doesn’t make him the bad guy everyone seems to believe he is.

 

[Freddie]

Just a personal point here.

Sometimes when I feel negative I don't bother as you get attacked for it.

The summer was good but I felt we were short in attack and I think I've been proven right and that we needed to address the defence but you're almost gaslighted I to accepting the cheap loan option as it's not the clubs fault if who they want isn't available.

Looks like we yet again kicking that can down the road.

If we end up with two it will be a typical Levy window. Just enough to keep some happy and make sure those that like him can leap to his defence but not enough to really push on. Always babysteps and excuses.

If you're happy then fair play but we were promised a game changing stadium and it's not changed a thing except for pricing loads of us out. You can point to spending more but everyone is spending more, were still hopeful for fourth and that's it.

Were still not addressing glaring weakness because they can't get a deal, still looking for opportunities rather than scouting and being decisive and still miles off being serious challengers.

Me and many others said it was a 6/10 solid window but that we were still left short especially those 5th & 6th quality attacking options as Lucas & Gil both not up to the standard we need when playing CL&PL.

We also all expected more Spence gametime to solve our RWB issue.

This Jan is similar, sure Danjuma is an upgrade on Gil and Porro is a fantastic signing but we are an injury or 2 at AM or CB away from having big gaps in quality again.

It’s the same thing every window we always leave ourselves short in a few or multiple areas which then comes back to bite us.

Something/someone has to change.

I wasn't defending Levy at all. It was more about how reactionary everyone is and how blind positivity leads to bringing out the pitchforks soon after.
We desperately needed a RWB but got someone who'd played one decent season in the Championship.
We needed a LWB and got a 33 year old new to the league (not a terrible signing in itself but he was never going to be able to play every game to a high level, and our other option is Sess- a disaster)
Biggest priority should have been 2 CBs but apparently no one was available (obviously because we wouldn't pay up). Anyone that had seen Lenglet in the last 2 years would know he's just an OK squad player.
We needed cover for the wings and Kane. The jury is out on Richarlison but I think he's only really good as a striker but Kane will play almost every game. I don't think he's good enough to be Kane's long term replacement so I don't see it as a shrewd use of the bulk of our budget.
We needed a Bissouma. Think he was a good signing even though it hasn't worked yet.
Attacking midfielder would have been ideal. We got no one.

It was so obvious at the time that the window didn't address our issues, and if we waste summer transfer windows then we're never going to complete our squad to a point where we can compete. Yes, that was mainly on Levy. But the response from our fans was mainly "decent window, fixed many problems, Conte sounds content" blah blah. Then a few months later when we find out nothing was sorted it's suddenly "Levy left us shopping in the bargain bin". That was ALWAYS obvious.

 

[the lad]

Shouldn’t be long to wait now for the latest profit over glory figures to be released.

Levy Out & ENIC Out.

 

[Albertbarich]

I wasn't defending Levy at all. It was more about how reactionary everyone is and how blind positivity leads to bringing out the pitchforks soon after.
We desperately needed a RWB but got someone who'd played one decent season in the Championship.
We needed a LWB and got a 33 year old new to the league (not a terrible signing in itself but he was never going to be able to play every game to a high level, and our other option is Sess- a disaster)
Biggest priority should have been 2 CBs but apparently no one was available (obviously because we wouldn't pay up). Anyone that had seen Lenglet in the last 2 years would know he's just an OK squad player.
We needed cover for the wings and Kane. The jury is out on Richarlison but I think he's only really good as a striker but Kane will play almost every game. I don't think he's good enough to be Kane's long term replacement so I don't see it as a shrewd use of the bulk of our budget.
We needed a Bissouma. Think he was a good signing even though it hasn't worked yet.
Attacking midfielder would have been ideal. We got no one.

It was so obvious at the time that the window didn't address our issues, and if we waste summer transfer windows then we're never going to complete our squad to a point where we can compete. Yes, that was mainly on Levy. But the response from our fans was mainly "decent window, fixed many problems, Conte sounds content" blah blah. Then a few months later when we find out nothing was sorted it's suddenly "Levy left us shopping in the bargain bin". That was ALWAYS obvious.

Don't disagree with any of that but the lack of assertiveness in just that past window for example where we didn't address defensive shortcomings has clearly cost us this season.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Paratici in legal tussle and Conte with health issue to recover. ?‍ Seriously at this rate Levy might as well handle the presser, select the starting XI and manage the team at the dug out since he likes to get involve so much.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Unless we get new owners or for instance QSI alongside ENIC.... I can't see Levy getting less involved in the footballing department... or stepping down... especially after what has happened with Paratici...

 

[Albertbarich]

Unless we get new owners or for instance QSI alongside ENIC.... I can't see Levy getting less involved in the footballing department... or stepping down... especially after what's happened with Paratici...

New owners or not this is actually an opportunity for the club to refresh.

He can use Paraticis legal battles and Contes health and personal issues as an excuse whilst apologizing for the past few years and then get a new DOF and coach with the promise of a refresh.

It would take the heat off him and if he hired the right DOF could save himself the money of having win now people who want loads of money for transfers.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

New owners or not this is actually an opportunity for the club to refresh.

He can use Paraticis legal battles and Contes health and personal issues as an excuse whilst apologizing for the past few years and then get a new DOF and coach with the promise of a refresh.

It would take the heat off him and if he hired the right DOF could save himself the money of having win now people who want loads of money for transfers.

Yes... I hope you're right... but I don't see a new DOF under Levy now... if Paratici doesn't survive...

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

New owners or not this is actually an opportunity for the club to refresh.

He can use Paraticis legal battles and Contes health and personal issues as an excuse whilst apologizing for the past few years and then get a new DOF and coach with the promise of a refresh.

It would take the heat off him and if he hired the right DOF could save himself the money of having win now people who want loads of money for transfers.

Won’t happen but you’re totally right though it is actually a great opportunity for a full refresh.

Appoint a DofF who wants to promote the type of attacking football our fans want to see and one who has a track record of signing young talented players if that is the club and levy’s MO.

Then get Poch back or another similar project type manager who can work well with the squad provided.

Get Kane to sign a new deal and make him captain ?‍ ?

Move Lloris on. ?

Sign in summer: GK, CB(x1 or 2), CM, AM

Get this plan in motion nice and early not with 2 weeks left of the summer window.

Put out a PR statement apologising for the last 5 years since poch left, say this is our plan now x y Z in terms of attacking football with a young vibrant squad and a DofF and manager to suit that.

Then we would all go into next season in such a positive mood and a heck of a lot of pressure would be off levy.

I have zero faith that none of the above will happen but if we had someone competent on the football side running the club then the above plan and actions really shouldn’t be that difficult to implement.

 

[WiganSpur]

Bentancur
Kulu
Forster
Lenglet
Richarlisson
Bissouma
Spence
Perisic
Danjuma
Porro

That‘s 10 players signed in 12 months. Now maybe not all were Conte’s first choice. We may have missed out on a few that he wanted. But if 12 months ago we were asked if we would settle for those signings I think most of us would have taken it. After all we got Champions League without 8 of them so isn’t it down to Conte that we have not progressed ?

Now I‘m not defending Levy. The Porro saga was infuriating and his haggling over deals again and again have cost uș many signings over the years. But it’s not really accurate to say Conte hasn’t been supported.

You either:

Establish a clear plan, philosophy and structure that goes beyond any individual coach, or even director of football. Invest heavily into scouting, recruitment and the academy to bring down the wage bill and transfer fees.

Appoint a win now manager and back them with cold hard cash to give them everything they need.

For the moment we've gone down the latter route half-heartedly. It's backing but 70% and not 100%. And unfortunately option 1 is just not possible for Levy since he is too thin-skinned and cannot give up control to somebody who would have a clue in setting up such a structure.

 

[vegassd]

The point was about us never ever selling players for good money and Levy not accepting that sometimes we should sell when the time is right but he won't because of the dear of being seen as a selling club but on the other hand he won't/can't spend the money that huge clubs do so we're caught in-between where we can't sell anyone but also have to find deals to buy people with lots of players under contract already who we don't want and they don't want to be here.

It's a tricky one this, because the idea that we "never ever" sold players for good money is clearly false. It used to be something we did pretty well, although it comes with limitations. But it's all about the context.

I think our ability to offer larger wages and retain players is really the turning point of ENIC's time, and the point where we could look longer term as a club. It has been far from perfect of course, but I think that was a key stage in the club's development.

It is the easiest game in the world when we have hindsight. If we had sold peak Dele and bought 3 players in exchange I'm sure people would have been mad - and they would have been right in the context of that time. Now we look back it seems like an obvious thing to have done, and we can do the same for all sorts of players, but I don't think the reality of the situations was that clear.

I agree that we are stuck at the moment. If the club/Levy aren't willing to spend the money we are bringing in then there's a real problem. I'm not expecting Chelsea or United levels of spending of course, just to spend the money the stadium is generating. It's fan money that made the stadium possible and fan money that pours into it now. That is the really disappointing thing for me at the moment.