The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Yiddo100]

The only way we are going to kick them in the balls is to go against the grain and stop going to matches, this is totally contrary to our love for the actual team on the pitch. A sustained effort to stop merchandise purchases and paying hospitality at the naming rights averse stadium would be a good start.

That’s the most effective way but probably the most unlikely to happen aswell.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

Could someone with more knowledge of it explain the FFP in 2025 part please?
And why that’s impacting our spending now and what it will change in 2025?

Are all clubs acting in this manor?

 

[chas vs dave]

Yes , when I can afford it ? Why ?

Your point about asking people to boycott. It's laughable.

You are instigating a lot of noise about what fans should be doing, yet you aren't at every game. The fact that you think fans who have already paid money should just stop going is ridiculous.

Let me be clear. I have been going to nearly every game for 25 years. There is no way a lot of season ticket holders who have spent money will be boycotting.

No offence, but I have invested a lot of time and money into the club, and will do, regardless if enic are there, or not.

Enic aren't going anywhere in the short or medium term. So, I'd rather use my energy supporting the team, as I don't spend 1300 a year to whinge and moan like a child.

If you want to protest about enic, feel free to come down and do it.

 

[the lad]

Your point about asking people to boycott. It's laughable.

You are instigating a lot of noise about what fans should be doing, yet you aren't at every game. The fact that you think fans who have already paid money should just stop going is ridiculous.

Let me be clear. I have been going to nearly every game for 25 years. There is no way a lot of season ticket holders who have spent money will be boycotting.

No offence, but I have invested a lot of time and money into the club, and will do, regardless if enic are there, or not.

Enic aren't going anywhere in the short or medium term. So, I'd rather use my energy supporting the team, as I don't spend 1300 a year to whinge and moan like a child.

If you want to protest about enic, feel free to come down and do it.

You didn’t read my post.

I didn’t say to boycott matches I said it was how to kick them in the balls but not possible because our affinity is with the team and we want to support the team.
I didn’t say anything that was laughable or childish either.

Fair play to you going to every game for 25 years, I wish I could have done so, but you don’t know anything about me or my circumstances.

 

[spurs9]

Could someone with more knowledge of it explain the FFP in 2025 part please?
And why that’s impacting our spending now and what it will change in 2025?

Are all clubs acting in this manor?

From the 2025/26 season clubs will only be allowed to spend 70% of the clubs revenue on Transfer fees, Agent Fees, Player wages and Staff wages (I would assume this includes bonuses).

It's going to be staggered to that point though, so 90% for 2023/24 and 80% for 2024/25.

Clubs who break the rules could be hit with transfer bans, loan restrictions, demotions from one European competition to another and points deductions in the Champions League.


In the 2020/21 season, the average across the league for player wages alone was 71%, with us the lowest at 57%. Our Revenue that season was $360m (wages was 205m), which under the 2025/26 rules, would mean we would have had $47m for staff wages, transfer and agent fees.

 

[the lad]

That’s the most effective way but probably the most unlikely to happen aswell.

Your totally right.

 

[ziggy]

From the 2025/26 season clubs will only be allowed to spend 70% of the clubs revenue on Transfer fees, Agent Fees, Player wages and Staff wages (I would assume this includes bonuses).

It's going to be staggered to that point though, so 90% for 2023/24 and 80% for 2024/25.

Clubs who break the rules could be hit with transfer bans, loan restrictions, demotions from one European competition to another and points deductions in the Champions League.

So nothing to stop city getting another world record sponsorship deal to up their revenue ?

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Your point about asking people to boycott. It's laughable.

You are instigating a lot of noise about what fans should be doing, yet you aren't at every game. The fact that you think fans who have already paid money should just stop going is ridiculous.

Let me be clear. I have been going to nearly every game for 25 years. There is no way a lot of season ticket holders who have spent money will be boycotting.

No offence, but I have invested a lot of time and money into the club, and will do, regardless if enic are there, or not.

Enic aren't going anywhere in the short or medium term. So, I'd rather use my energy supporting the team, as I don't spend 1300 a year to whinge and moan like a child.

If you want to protest about enic, feel free to come down and do it.

the great protest led by a full house against City - if people want to protest then don't go to games if your protesting outside the ground then popping over spending your ticket money the protest means nothing -

 

[chas vs dave]

You didn’t read my post.

I didn’t say to boycott matches I said it was how to kick them in the balls but not possible because our affinity is with the team and we want to support the team.
I didn’t say anything that was laughable or childish either.

No, you are advocating boycotts.

I wish our fans actually supported the team. The atmosphere has been pathetic at home this season.

Enic aren't going anywhere soon. If people want to protest, then it should be after the match. That's how it happened with the sugar out demonstration. I was there.

We are 3 points off 4th, and still in 2 Cup competitions. Things are no way as bad as people make out.

 

[chas vs dave]

the great protest led by a full house against City

I've already paid. If I want to protest, I will just not renew my season ticket. I've already said I'm considering giving up. However, it's as much to do with me not enjoying the atmosphere in the stadium.

 

[spurs9]

So nothing to stop city getting another world record sponsorship deal to up their revenue ?

Not on face value, however it all stems from teams like PSG and Man City's "artificial' funding", so something additional might be put in place to stop this. It does look like the potential QSI investment would be pointless from a fans perspective.


"The idea is to address complaints that the current system protects the biggest clubs by limiting additional owner investment, although many have also been uneasy at the 'artificial' funding of what La Liga president Javier Tebas has dubbed 'state' clubs, such as Paris St-German and Manchester City."

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We are 3 points off 4th, and still in 2 Cup competitions. Things are no way as bad as people make out.

Exactly this. And I actually agree with Neville’s comments about being surprised about the negativity when challenging top 4 and a cup run is good season for spurs.

To be frank, we all know the negativity is really just about fans being butt hurt that gooners are top of the league. Our fans can’t deal with it like adults so they’re irrationally lashing out at Levy/ENIC. While conveniently forgetting the process it took Arsenal to get where they are now, and how we’ve only just begun the same journey with Paratici/Conte.

 

[chas vs dave]

Not on face value, however it all stems from teams like PSG and Man City's "artificial' funding", so something additional might be put in place to stop this. It does look like the potential QSI investment would be pointless from a fans perspective.


"The idea is to address complaints that the current system protects the biggest clubs by limiting additional owner investment, although many have also been uneasy at the 'artificial' funding of what La Liga president Javier Tebas has dubbed 'state' clubs, such as Paris St-German and Manchester City."

Still, it's a bit hypocritical of la liga when Real Madrids debts were being underwritten by the council.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Club responds to Trust questions on strategy and direction - Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Club

THST asked the Club to respond to four key questions that reflected the concerns of increasing numbers of Trust members and Spurs fans

www.thstofficial.com

I read that bland corporate mush and it mentions "winning" three times in such general terms, it's no wonder we don't actually win anything

No commitment to win the league, within a given timeframe, or any trophy.

Compare that to newcastle's new owners, who have made it pretty clear they want to win the league, within the next ten years, recognizing it could take that long from where they are - but at least are building to that

What are we building to? Fuck knows. But it ain't going to be to a league title under the current board and chairman

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I've already paid. If I want to protest, I will just not renew my season ticket. I've already said I'm considering giving up. However, it's as much to do with me not enjoying the atmosphere in the stadium.

fair enough - I have been fed up with the football this season its my biggest gripe I will renew but its getting harder (distance and my brother can't go because of ill health) given that I haven't enjoyed the football and the atmosphere usually follows on from that imo

 

[chas vs dave]

Exactly this. And I actually agree with Neville’s comments about being surprised about the negativity when challenging top 4 and a cup run is good season for spurs.

To be frank, we all know the negativity is really just about fans being butt hurt that gooners are top of the league. Our fans can’t deal with it like adults so they’re irrationally lashing out at Levy/ENIC. While conveniently forgetting the process it took Arsenal to get where they are now, and how we’ve only just begun the same journey with Paratici/Conte.

You'd think we would have some level of resilience about us

fair enough - I have been fed up with the football this season its my biggest gripe I will renew but its getting harder (distance and my brother can't go because of ill health) given that I haven't enjoyed the football and the atmosphere usually follows on from that imo

The football has been hit and miss. It has been since we left the old stadium. Imo

 

[spurs9]

Still, it's a bit hypocritical of la liga when Real Madrids debts were being underwritten by the council.

Yeah, and Barcelona selling their rights to everything for the next 1000 years too. Both Barca and Real have been known for spending relative huge amounts of money for decades, so it's massively rich coming from them, even if they do have a point.

IMO, it's a stupid rule they are bringing in, as it will just leave an even bigger gap between the rich teams and the poorer teams. To level the playing field, there would have to be a salary and transfer cap.

 

[chas vs dave]

Compare that to newcastle's new owners, who have made it pretty clear they want to win the league, within the next ten years, recognizing it could take that long from where they are - but at least are building to that

Did they? Here is the paragraph from their takeover statement:

"Ou ambition is aligned with the fans – to create a consistently successful team that’s regularly competing for major trophies and generates pride across the globe.”


Conversely, they talk about sustainability. Both seem generic PR.

Newcastle United new owners statements in full

Newcastle United are under new ownership after the takeover of the club from Mike Ashley was approved

www.google.com

 

[rossdapep]

No one should expect significant spend on 2 CBs, 1 GK, 1 AM and whatever else we need in the summer.

I imagine itll be a 30-40m CB, 1 CB whose contract is out or soon to be, a GK who will be cheaper than 30m and then probably an opportunistic option at AM.

The rest will then be dependent on outgoings.

I am prepared to be patient because you dont build a good squad overnight but when you build in this manner, you often have to take on plasters (Lenglet) and young players who are not ready get (Spence) which just delays the process meaning more gaps appear elsewhere

 

[UncleBuck]

From the 2025/26 season clubs will only be allowed to spend 70% of the clubs revenue on Transfer fees, Agent Fees, Player wages and Staff wages (I would assume this includes bonuses).

It's going to be staggered to that point though, so 90% for 2023/24 and 80% for 2024/25.

Clubs who break the rules could be hit with transfer bans, loan restrictions, demotions from one European competition to another and points deductions in the Champions League.


In the 2020/21 season, the average across the league for player wages alone was 71%, with us the lowest at 57%. Our Revenue that season was $360m (wages was 205m), which under the 2025/26 rules, would mean we would have had $47m for staff wages, transfer and agent fees.

Wow, amazing that football has got to the stage whereby agents fees are actually taken into account to such a scale.