The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Scot-Spur]

Whilst I'd like to see him move away from the football operations, is right now the time, we'd then have no DOF, no manager and no chairman, that surely puts us in an even worse position?

Well if he was in the half bit bloody competent we would have a DoF in place.

He should appoint a DoF and get out the way.

 

[dontcallme]

Think they are highlighting were the Boards priority is. The football side of things are being neglected or they just aren't as important.

I don't agree that they're being neglected. The football side is run by a control freak who is not capable of running the football side of the club.

 

[brasil_spur]

Is this now the flat earth thread?

No, it's about another dome top.

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Mourinho: "Vogliamo giocare questa finale. Il mio futuro? Tutto secondario. Su Dybala a Budapest.."

La conferenza stampa di Mourinho durante il Media Day: "I romanisti come noi voglio giocare questa finale"

gianlucadimarzio.com

Add Jose to the long list of people piling on Levy. Levy has absolutely destroyed his and the club's reputation in football the last 4 years. Incredible self destruction job.

"What all the clubs I've been to have left me. But I hope my words aren't misinterpreted by Tottenham fans but that's the only club I don't have a close relationship with. Probably because the stadium was empty at the time of Covid and because President Levy didn't give too much."

 

[Gareth88]

This manager search balls up has to be the start of the end

 

[AustrianHotspur]

He did not say "the president did'nt give too much".

He said:

“Bisogna godersi questa finale insieme ai tifosi. Mi colpisce il legame con la piazza dopo solo due stagioni. Dove sono andato ho lasciato sempre una parte di me anche perché ho vinto titoli e creato legame con i tifosi. Spero che i tifosi del Tottenham non mi fraintendano ma solo lì non sono riuscito a creare un legame con la piazza, forse perché c’era il Covid e lo stadio era vuoto, o forse perché la presidenza non mi ha dato la possibilità di giocare una finale ("because the presidency didn't give me the chance to play in a final") che avevamo conquistato sul campo. Sono legato a tutti i club che ho allenato tranne al Tottenham“.

 

[dontcallme]

This manager search balls up has to be the start of the end

I guess the only people who can push this is Joe Lewis or the shareholders. As their returns are great, this is unlikely.

How we actually go about change is something I'm not sure on.

Protests have to be more competent than the current groups trying. I don't want to tell ST holders, to give up their tickets as it's their choice.

Until Levy decides he's done, I'm not sure how this actually comes about.

 

[carmeldevil]

Whilst I'd like to see him move away from the football operations, is right now the time, we'd then have no DOF, no manager and no chairman, that surely puts us in an even worse position?

Are you joking? it is most absolutely the time for him to get the fuck away.

 

[rossdapep]

Mourinho: "Vogliamo giocare questa finale. Il mio futuro? Tutto secondario. Su Dybala a Budapest.."

La conferenza stampa di Mourinho durante il Media Day: "I romanisti come noi voglio giocare questa finale"

gianlucadimarzio.com

Add Jose to the long list of people piling on Levy. Levy has absolutely destroyed his and the club's reputation in football the last 4 years. Incredible self destruction job.

"What all the clubs I've been to have left me. But I hope my words aren't misinterpreted by Tottenham fans but that's the only club I don't have a close relationship with. Probably because the stadium was empty at the time of Covid and because President Levy didn't give too much."

Funny how the 2 'nailed on winners' that Levy was so desperate to hire have actually become the 2 most damaging for his reputation.

I've got evrything crossed we get new ownership now

 

[dirtyh]

if there's anyone club related browsing these forums then by god they have to understand what an absolute shitshow we are and more importantly what an absolute shitshow we look to the outside world.

utter incompetence from the club and board at anything football related.

just.
fucking.
go.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Now we’ve got to force him out no stupid balloons or protests we start doing something actually meaningful we boycott the stadium we don’t bank roll any of it as we are being mugged right off

 

[g_harry]

I don't agree that they're being neglected. The football side is run by a control freak who is not capable of running the football side of the club.

Therefore it's being neglected.

 

[dontcallme]

Therefore it's being neglected.

Nope.

We've been putting a lot of time and effort into the manager search and fucking it up.

That's not neglect, that's incompetence.

 

[Wiener]

I think I need to understand your definition of decline, long term and self inflicted.

To me decline is based on the metric of measurement and my metric could be, League position, consistency in champions league, positions in cups, points per season.

All of those metrics in a 4 year period are on a decline overall in relation to the previous 4 years. We were consecutively in the champions league (qualified for it) 4 years in a row. We have done so once since.

We have gone from 4 years of Champions League football, to one in 4, to appearing in the europa league, to europa conference league to potentially no Europe. In Mathematical terms, that is definitively a decline.

Our points per season despite 1 spike has been on a decline. we went from Champions League Final to not getting past the opening knock out twice. We have seen a decline in semi final appearances.

What Metric are you considering Long term? Because from our season from based on league position and points tally was 2016/2017, that's 6 year. Our season before that was our 2nd best. We are about to finish at best 7th and most likely 8th.

The last time we finished 8th was 2008/2009. That's 14 years, the lowest position after that was 6th. So from 2010 to 2021, we finished top6 every season, that's 11 years. So the very best we can hope for is two 7 place finishes happening in 3 years after 14 without finishing lower than 6th. It's actually going to be 8th making it the worst season in 14 years.

How can your definition of Long-Term evade those statistics?

What is your definition of Self-Inflicted?

We had a manager on a long term contract who reached the champions league final, we chose to sack him 2 years into it and chose to do so by appointing a manager of a philosophy that was a stark contrast to what had come before, despite choosing to spend 100 million players on players who not only were signed with the knowledge that they needed adaption but fit the old style, who didn't fit the manager. Instead of finding a manager that could build upon, what he had achieved, we chose to transition to a style that didn't align with our previous decisions. We chose to sack him one year into that project, we chose to release a manifesto claiming that we were going back to our values. We then chose to hire a DoF who chose to hire a manager who didn't fit those values. We chose to sack that manager within 3 months, we then chose another manager who made clear what he needed to be successful, both publicly and by his word, privately. We chose that we didn't want to follow that route by choosing to not meet his transfer demands and continue with him. We then chose to sack him whilst he was in 3rd and now will finish 7th or 8th.

How can your definition of self-inflicted not be covered by those choices?

I'm staying on point and I would love you to answer because I am being earnest, you said you can't see. I decided to point you where you needed to look.

I appreciate the time you have taken to argue your position. Many thanks!

Regarding definitions I think we agree on what long-term decline and self-inflicted mean.

I don't see long-term decline because I think we will recover quickly from the initial burden of the stadium build (of course it impacted player spending) and the effects of the pandemic (it seems there was a high degree of turnover of key staff). Top notch infrastructure, committed and large fan base and good financials will see us through.

Of course some the problems were self-inflicted (ie decisions made by Levy). In my view the main mistake was going down the pragmatic football route and not building on our football culture starting with the Academy. We will never know whether sticking with Poch would have worked. Personally I am doubtful.

I am sounding like a broken record but I do think we were very unlucky with the Pandemic hitting us just when we were undergoing massive structural change. By that I mean moving to a new stadium. The Athletic has very interesting looking into the changes behind the scenes at the club.

The unrest at Tottenham Hotspur runs deeper than just the first team

That and the fact that Conte lost interest. Not to mention Betancur's long-term injury.

Of course you could argue that Levy should have know about Conte given his track record and should have steered clear of Paratici given his legal problems.

You could argue that the club should be more resilient but big change can be difficult to manage.

 

[WiganSpur]

I think Levy's ego, delusion, interference and power grab is 3/4 of the problem and the rest is that we're only pumping in 75% of what we need to on the playing squad. Fixing point 1 will make us a competitive team in the Poch mould again, fixing 2 (on top of 1 and not instead of it) will probably mean we regularly compete for trophies.

So if ENIC replaced Levy with another chief exec, they'd likely give Munn or the DOF an (albeit unambitious) budget and let them get on with it. That'd see us return to becoming a competent football team again, without necessarily becoming a super club. Think more Dortmund than Bayern.

The problem is that ENIC have a "it would be nice if we win" attitude but unfortunately profits come first and Levy is still very much delivering on that front it would seem. Until that stops expect him to remain in post.

 

[g_harry]

Nope.

We've been putting a lot of time and effort into the manager search and fucking it up.

That's not neglect, that's incompetence.

Fair enough we agree to disagree .

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Incoming news, Danny Levy just shot a fan
as he complained about profit before glory. Some SCers have come to his defense blaming such things as the fact the gun had a trigger, that Levy may have been looking a different direction when the gun went off, that there was a buy two for one deal the day the guns were bought, had that not been the case he wouldn’t have purchased, other reasoning the fan was too loud mouthed, the fan was wearing Puma pants rather than Nike Spurs, that he had bought food from Chick King instead of in the stadium, some are SCers are even calling for Levy to run for President of the United States, he’s the one person who could steal Trumps demographic…

 

[dontcallme]

Incoming news, Danny Levy just shot a fan
as he complained about profit before glory. Some SCers have come to his defense blaming such things as the fact the gun had a trigger, that Levy may have been looking a different direction when the gun went off, that there was a buy two for one deal the day the guns were bought, had that not been the case he wouldn’t have purchased, other reasoning the fan was too loud mouthed, the fan was wearing Puma pants rather than Nike Spurs, that he had bought food from Chick King instead of in the stadium, some are SCers are even calling for Levy to run for President of the United States, he’s the one person who could steal Trumps demographic…

Mate, there's one fan in here trying to defend Levy.

Your post isn't funny, it's just bullshit.

 

[JacoZA]

I am seriously(genuinely) starting to wonder if you are a club PR plant tbh.

Wiener is an anagram of 'I renew'.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Mate, there's one fan in here trying to defend Levy.

Your post isn't funny, it's just bullshit.

Read back over this thread, there are plenty more than one prepared to defend Levy no matter, and as soon as he appoints whatever random dude falls on his lap they’ll be back on here talking about Leeds, Oil money, the stadium , 90s etc etc
Less of your BS mate, I know you were a fanboy of his before so well done for coming across, some still aren’t there…