The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[glacierSpurs]

I am not sure that DL makes it thru this latest debacle unscathed. While JL must love what Daniel has done financially, he has to be all too aware that one of the business divisions is floundering and that it is too much for the person in charge. What does the savvy business guy do? Restructures. one manager search cock up is bad but 2? And as crazy as it sounds, I would not be surprised with a major twist on the manager search process if a top tier manager doesn't sign within the week. There's a lot of things you can say about Joe lewis, but being a bad Businessman is not 1 of them.

I would like to agree, but the club is merely just one portfolio of Lewis. And it is only catastrophic for us because we as fans only have one aim, to enjoy the performance and success of the team. The whole debacle about the club is probably just a tiny ripple to ENIC and Lewis. They will be far more concerned if sponsorships are pulling out, events in stadium are cancelled, hospitalities are crippled, realty permissions not granted etc. These are where ENIC and Lewis will be hit the hardest. Until then, the keys are firmly entrusted to Levy from Lewis, IMHO, because as shit as Levy is in footballing business, he's a genius in Lewis' eyes in terms of commercial success.

They have to see the value of the game, to see how it can benefit the rest of their assets. I can only pray that day will come when they will be enlightened to see it, OR someone, really will be our messiah, appears and is influencial enough to talk sense to them.

 

[Whazam]

A tenant? THFC is not a tenant.

West Ham are.

Semantics. Or just poor choice of words. Either way, it is obvious the stadium is mainly for us (taking a look at its name is a pretty good indicator).

I'm just trying to point out that there are many more important things to focus on. Like the basics of running a football club. Levy and the board seemingly work tirelessly to find a suitable coach and a DoF – and they are failing to do so. Again. This time with so many good options available.

So, why get upset and focus on things that you actively have to twist to get upset about, instead of the actual fundamentals crumbling before our eyes?

 

[spursfan77]

I’ve said it before and will say it again, Levy’s decision making and behaviour is utterly bizarre. It feels like they’re doing it all on purpose and want to undo all their good work. It’s because they’re tired, out of ideas and need to go, but fail to see it themselves. At what point will they realise this? My suspicion is that they won’t.

What makes it worse is that he’s been in this position many times before and has experience of success albeit a bit of luck (Arnesen/Jol) and failure (paratici/Nuno) so the experience is there to learn from. But he never ever learns. I’m sure there’s some sort of psychological phrase for people like that and he definitely has it, history has shown us that. It’s a massive Achilles heel and undoes anything good he achieves.

They need to go and they need to go now

 

[only1waddle]

I’ve said it before and will say it again, Levy’s decision making and behaviour is utterly bizarre. It feels like they’re doing it all on purpose and want to undo all their good work. It’s because they’re tired, out of ideas and need to go, but fail to see it themselves. At what point will they realise this? My suspicion is that they won’t.

What makes it worse is that he’s been in this position many times before and has experience of success albeit a bit of luck (Arnesen/Jol) and failure (paratici/Nuno) so the experience is there to learn from. But he never ever learns. I’m sure there’s some sort of psychological phrase for people like that and he definitely has it, history has shown us that. It’s a massive Achilles heel and undoes anything good he achieves.

They need to go and they need to go now

Founders syndrome

Founder's syndrome occurs when a founder struggles or refuses to 'change gear' and adopt a new mindset, approach or skill set as the organization grows and as its strategic context changes. Rather than making way for a new leader to take the organization to the next level, the founder tries to hang on to power.

 

[spursfan77]

Founders syndrome

Founder's syndrome occurs when a founder struggles or refuses to 'change gear' and adopt a new mindset, approach or skill set as the organization grows and as its strategic context changes. Rather than making way for a new leader to take the organization to the next level, the founder tries to hang on to power.

That could sum it up in a way. As he got success with approaching a situation one way, he refuses to change that approach afterwards, even though operating that way doesn’t work again and it continually doesn’t bare fruit. He seems to do this now in everything he touches.

What’s equally bad is that Lewis doesn’t seem to want to stop him. He’s probably too old now to give that much of a fuck and while the drop off in the team annoys us, it probably doesn’t hit his valuation too badly as there’s always the possibility of a couple of other top 6 teams dropping off in a season and us getting CL. But if that possibility vanishes completely, what then? Do they sell or reinvest in the team? We’ve got to hope that’s the point they sell.

 

[ernie78]

After a couple of seasons of umming and ahhing I’ve cancelled my my membership.
slot debacle was the last straw

 

[cliff jones]

Semantics. Or just poor choice of words. Either way, it is obvious the stadium is mainly for us (taking a look at its name is a pretty good indicator).

I'm just trying to point out that there are many more important things to focus on. Like the basics of running a football club. Levy and the board seemingly work tirelessly to find a suitable coach and a DoF – and they are failing to do so. Again. This time with so many good options available.

So, why get upset and focus on things that you actively have to twist to get upset about, instead of the actual fundamentals crumbling before our eyes?

Wot? Upset? Twist? You lost me.

The reference is yet another indication of Levy’s misplaced focus. I’d rather the stadium was called something else then he will have done his job/justified a chunk of his bonus by securing naming rights

It’s always gonna be the Lane, or new Lane to me either way.

I’m not sure we’re actually disagreeing, well not on much, anyway, but one thing is clear- our Club is currently a shambles.

 

[sidford]

There was a post earlier in this thread saying that levy told someone that the boos will stop when we win a few games and he's right to a degree but the fans have turned that far against him now that the boos and chants will never completely go away and we'll only be a few bad results away from them returning.
Imo nothing he does now will get the fans back, it's a long road now until they finally sell up

 

[Trees]

Levy is now 60. Have we thought that maybe the ‘sharp’ thinking, tin ear, etc is maybe a sign that he simply is not up managing an organisation of our size any longer ?

 

[BoringOldFan]

I did hear he had the chance of a very lucrative naming rights deal but the board thought naming the ground The Winalot stadium was taking the piss.

Naming rights, I hear you say? Then you must be referring to the estimable Todd Kline, brought in two years ago to provide exactly that. Anything to say, Todd?

“We’re running a process. It’s been a rewarding process. We’ve met some amazing people throughout it and I think we’ll land on the right partner for the right venue. And sometimes in doing complicated deals, sometimes patience is the move.”

Ah, yes. Patience is always a good move. You probably learned that from our chairman and his treatment of our managers, eh? Still, no rush, the stadium has only been open for four years and been nearly 15 years in the planning.

Contrast that with Everton, who got a £30 million deposit on their naming rights - and the stadium isn’t even built yet.

Still, patience, eh Todd? And wow, amazing people!

 

[Whazam]

Wot? Upset? Twist? You lost me.

The reference is yet another indication of Levy’s misplaced focus. I’d rather the stadium was called something else then he will have done his job/justified a chunk of his bonus by securing naming rights

It’s always gonna be the Lane, or new Lane to me either way.

I’m not sure we’re actually disagreeing, well not on much, anyway, but one thing is clear- our Club is currently a shambles.

The twist/upset part was referring to the post I initially replied to.

I don't think we are disagreeing on the important parts, either, but you mentioning "Levy's misplaced focus" is a little bit what I'm getting at. How can we say that while simultaneously complaining about Levy being too focused on the football? All the work he is doing that is not football related has unfortunately not stopped him from micromanaging the club's football operation. It's not like he is neglecting the football, he is still too involved in it.

My main point is: it would be more productive to focus on criticism of his inability of running a successful footballing operation, rather than his arguably successful (from many perspectives) work developing the stadium.

 

[Gareth88]

I just had a sad/ludicrous thought, if we can mobilise the rabid Beyoncé fans to get on the Levy out train, we may just get this done.

 

[jbstarr14]

Everything i've heard suggests the Lewisette wouldn't piss on Levy if he was on fire, but how much real power does she have..........

“The Lewisette’…?

A couple of days ago members were being asked by @Rob not to be condescending or misogynistic about Donna Cullen, but people do at least use her name…

 

[Gardham90]

I am not sure that DL makes it thru this latest debacle unscathed. While JL must love what Daniel has done financially, he has to be all too aware that one of the business divisions is floundering and that it is too much for the person in charge. What does the savvy business guy do? Restructures. one manager search cock up is bad but 2? And as crazy as it sounds, I would not be surprised with a major twist on the manager search process if a top tier manager doesn't sign within the week. There's a lot of things you can say about Joe lewis, but being a bad Businessman is not 1 of them.

Of course he will, he always does.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

this tw*t deserves to be burnt in hell

 

[jbstarr14]

“The Lewisette’…?

A couple of days ago members were being asked by @Rob not to be condescending or misogynistic about Donna Cullen, but people do at least use her name…

@Tyler24durden - be interested to know why the ‘wtf’ for calling it out…

 

[only1waddle]

this tw*t deserves to be burnt in hell

This is the sort of thing we don't need in the Levy out camp, not cool.

 

[the yid]

For all the mistakes and missed opportunities along the way the one thing levy/enic have been solid on is managing downside risk, on both financial and football sides.

So instead of aiming big they prepared for failure

 

[Joely]

This is a man who spent months looking for a manager and came up with Nuno on the 30th June back in 2021. Summer is the perfect time for Levy to bring in an unpopular appointment. Fan's may make their feelings known initially but with no games, eventually focus will turn to signings. Bring in a couple players and most will become hopeful, start to think about what our best 11 is etc and look ahead to a fresh start when the league kicks off.

Levy will be hoping for a good start to the season and if he gets that it is as you were for him and focus turns away from him. He'll only have a problem if the new man starts badly and he is back to square one with a decision to make and potentially left scrambling around for a another manager which maybe tricky if no one is available or clubs make it difficult for him to prise someone away.

Believe Levy has a short term view when it comes to the actual football and although target will be CL qualification, think the baseline is If we generally win more games than we lose and don't end up going on bad runs whilst remaining in and around he top 6. Believe there is no path mapped in his head as to how we push on from that. Anything more is a nice to have rather than a must have. Problem with that is we now have clubs like Newcastle and even Villa looking at top 4 and thinking we want a piece of that (in Newcastle's case even more) and prepared to throw money at it so if we stand still, that baseline is going to be become more difficult to reach.

 

[dontcallme]

More than happy for people to want Levy to step down.

But casual misogyny and wishing people dead should probably not be happening.

If something is making you this hate-filled, it's time to look for a new interest.