The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[robotsonic]

all that can be absolutely true, and you can still learn from what they’ve done well. Idk why people have a hard time with nuance. Their owners are war criminals, and they’re also the best run club in the league. These aren’t things that contradict each other.

They are the best run club in the league because their owners are criminals (not war criminals, afaik). We cannot and will not ever be able to operate in their way unless we also have this type of ownership, so to compare and contrast is a bit pointless unless the hope is that we are sold to similar, no? We cannot operate like they can without doing a deal with the devil, so where is the sense in coveting it?

They have the best football operation, because the very best want to work only for them, because they own the premier league title, because they have broken the league, and because they have unlimited income. It's not replicable here.

 

[nedley]

I've come in to have a moan.

Is there really anybody left to defend this man. Leaving so much to do on the last day?

I'm primed to praise the man come 11pm or more likely demand his head on a spike.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Why do we need to compare only to our other incompetent owners? There are 30-40 test cases of other clubs that have been in the premier league in Levy's time and we can look at how those are run too. No company should compare itself only to its former self. Compare to successful competitors if you want to improve

Why do we need to compare only to our other incompetent owners? There are 30-40 test cases of other clubs that have been in the premier league in Levy's time and we can look at how those are run too. No company should compare itself only to its former self. Compare to successful competitors if you want to improve.

I was simply talking about our club and how it is currently run! I then mentioned that I was alive for the previous two owners and I remember those times also. I would like to experience a new owner with a different approach and feel that 23 years is too much for anyone to own something that essentially belongs to the people. I don’t care about any other club or how they are run.

 

[BujuBanton]

Whats most upsetting to me is we (the fans) have just surrendered and accepted our fate. Levy has ground us down and is now able to milk this once great club dry without any backlash.

 

[thebenjamin]

Whats most upsetting to me is we (the fans) have just surrendered and accepted our fate. Levy has ground us down and is now able to milk this once great club dry without any backlash.

What can anyone really do though. If people stop going there's thousands more trip advisor tourists to take their place. Protests won't make a blind but of difference to the ENIC goal of increasing the personal wealth of Daniel and Joe. If Daniel can't already see that he's fucking abysmal at running the football team after a literal generation of evidence, it's not like he's suddenly going to have an epiphany.

We live in a dictatorship and nothing any of the supporters do or say will make a scintilla of difference to what Daniel does with the club. Even if someone bid well over the odds of what the club is worth I still don't think he'd sell because he's addicted to the status it affords him. I could easily see him running THFC for another couple of decades, or until he physically cannot do it any more. Every year that passes, as the PL gets bigger, his wealth increases.

 

[Gb160]

If Enic could they would get rid of us "Legacy Fans" in an instant.

They're doing it gradually, within 5 years I wouldn't imagine Legacy fans will be able to afford season tickets. Many can't right now.
Without sounding dramatic but time is running out to organise any meaningful protest with real numbers behind it.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

What can anyone really do though. If people stop going there's thousands more trip advisor tourists to take their place. Protests won't make a blind but of difference to the ENIC goal of increasing the personal wealth of Daniel and Joe. If Daniel can't already see that he's fucking abysmal at running the football team after a literal generation of evidence, it's not like he's suddenly going to have an epiphany.

We live in a dictatorship and nothing any of the supporters do or say will make a scintilla of difference to what Daniel does with the club. Even if someone bid well over the odds of what the club is worth I still don't think he'd sell because he's addicted to the status it affords him. I could easily see him running THFC for another couple of decades, or until he physically cannot do it any more. Every year that passes, as the PL gets bigger, his wealth increases.

Sadly this is bang on.

 

[thelak]

What can anyone really do though. If people stop going there's thousands more trip advisor tourists to take their place. Protests won't make a blind but of difference to the ENIC goal of increasing the personal wealth of Daniel and Joe. If Daniel can't already see that he's fucking abysmal at running the football team after a literal generation of evidence, it's not like he's suddenly going to have an epiphany.

We live in a dictatorship and nothing any of the supporters do or say will make a scintilla of difference to what Daniel does with the club. Even if someone bid well over the odds of what the club is worth I still don't think he'd sell because he's addicted to the status it affords him. I could easily see him running THFC for another couple of decades, or until he physically cannot do it any more. Every year that passes, as the PL gets bigger, his wealth increases.

Even dictatorships fall

tiring to see people use the “tourist fan will replace us anyway” argument as a reason to do nothing and remain passive

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Because he owns the club. / achieves the desired rules for the other owner.

It's hardly something new - fans not liking the owners and disagreeing with their decisions. But unless there is a buyer prepared to meet the price the owner demands in order to sell, its pretty much impossible to effect any change. There are lots of examples of other clubs whose fans have protested a lot harder and more consistently and still the owners won't budge.

You can do the little things. Don’t by new Spurs gear. Don’t spend your money at the ground in the bars and eateries. I saved £3 a pint by drinking in the local pubs. If 60000 did the same it would soon get his attention.

 

[RuskyM]

Apologists need to focus on the scum, our closest rivals, not the doped clubs. We don’t compare well at all.

We've finished above them six of the past seven seasons.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Look on the bright side............We've been careful what we wished for

I got loads of these little gems. Might change my username to confucius

haha Confucius&Crooks

 

[nidge]

I've see many say its a shame to see fans have just accepted our fate without really articulating what they would suggest we do that would make a difference and force either Levy to change a habit of a life time or ENIC to sell the club?

 

[chas vs dave]

We've finished above them six of the past seven seasons.

Don't let facts get in the way of the moan.

It's amazing how this thread died of death and dropped off the top page. Until Fulham away.


@fishhhandaricecake im goingnto backtrack on your fans comment. Those who want enic out don't follow up on their moans.

There was a planned enic out protest arranged for outside the stadium prior to utd at home. How many turned up - 10 people. The organiser has given up because you all moan, but you do nothing. Some of the noisiest people on here are probably the least likely to do anything.

I actually attended the sugar out protest in the 90s, after the Sheffield Wednesday game, because it had got so bad. If I felt this way now, I would go.

 

[chas vs dave]

I've see many say its a shame to see fans have just accepted our fate without really articulating what they would suggest we do that would make a difference and force either Levy to change a habit of a life time or ENIC to sell the club?

Some fans haven't accepted our fate, some just accept that things aren't going to be fixed in 1 window and have the patience to see where things are going with ange.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

You can do the little things. Don’t by new Spurs gear. Don’t spend your money at the ground in the bars and eateries. I saved £3 a pint by drinking in the local pubs. If 60000 did the same it would soon get his attention.

I keep reading stuff like this but why should we stop showing our love of being Spurs fans because we dislike our owners. I don’t think I’d be able to tell my 12 year old son that he can’t have a Spurs shirt because we’re trying to show the owners that we want them to leave!

 

[chas vs dave]

I keep reading stuff like this but why should we stop showing our love of being Spurs fans because we dislike our owners. I don’t think I’d be able to tell my 12 year old son that he can’t have a Spurs shirt because we’re trying to show the owners that we want them to leave!

Buying a kit doesn't affect Enic, as the deal is already done.

I refuse to buy them, because the price is now extortionate. 80 quid for a shirt. Piss off.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I keep reading stuff like this but why should we stop showing our love of being Spurs fans because we dislike our owners. I don’t think I’d be able to tell my 12 year old son that he can’t have a Spurs shirt because we’re trying to show the owners that we want them to leave!

No gain without pain. If you want the change you have to act.

 

[spursfan1991]

I recently spent a few years working for a private organisation monitoring protests and activist groups in the UK and around the world.

Unfortunately there are a lot of protests going on and vast majority of them you will never hear of as the media arent interested and or they have been advised to not report.

One of the main problems of protests in this country is that they are not impactive. Usually a few hundred people, maybe even a thousand, they'll stand outside a building shout some chants with a banner. Sometimes they'll be escorted around an area where they can walk around and do the chanting.

I am sure many of you have heard of Extinction Rebellion (XR) and Just Stop Oil, climate activist groups. You have heard of them becsuse there protests are disruptive but more importantly it is non-violent. Other groups exist but they use traditional protest methods and no one knows about them.

Recently West Ham and Arsenal fans were protesting against their owners, whats happened to that? You barely hear about it either because the protest has become part of the furniture but the real reason, most have stopped because there teams are doing well. You only need to look at this thread recently prior to the Fulham defeat, people stopped moaning as things were looking good again briefly.

Manchester United have been trying for a long time and i believe some Liverpool fans are at it too now. This is a problem, too many fans crying when performances and results arent going well but they quieten down when results pick up.

If Spurs fans genuinely want Levy out, they need to plan disruptive non-violent protests. They need to find ways to stop the matches from happening, like man u fans did recently when they got a fixture cancelled. However, cancelling a one off fixture is not enough, it needs to be multiple fixtures. It needs to give Levy a headache and cause serious disruption to the cashflow.

Boycotting matchday tickets or mechandise wont even register a blink with the club as a day tripper or a tourist football fan will pick up the tickets.

If anyone did bother reading all of the above, i'd like to say thanks . I just want to reiterate, i am not advocating violence as that will be breaking the law and you will lose support. It has to be meaningful, non-violent disruptive actions.

 

[Styopa]

It’s annoying that we leave so many deals to the last minute. Or at least apparently leave deals to the last minute- who knows how serious we are about the reported links sometimes? It feels like it was a strategy that may have worked once about fifteen years ago but has been diminishing returns ever since.

I just think deals like BJ and Gallagher are the kind of the deals the club could be doing much earlier in the window, if we are serious about them. I don’t know why there has to be a last minute scramble. It feels like we are setting ourselves up to fail - too much to do, not enough time, we tried etc.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

No gain without pain. If you want the change you have to act.

We need to pick our battles though, not buying a Spurs shirt for our kids is a non starter. I don’t think we can ever get rid of him for what it’s worth, I think our best option is to increase the ‘Levy out’ chants in the hope that it puts enough pressure on him to change his approach.