The Race For 4th

[StartingPrice]

The key to getting 4th IMO, is the 2 Chelsea/man utd games, and our game against Chelsea. It's conceivable that Chelsea could lose all 3 of those games.
The main thing for us to concentrate on is not losing silly games or drawing games we should be winning. A win @ Sunderland next week is crucial.

Noooo...really...it's not. Finishing with enough points to give CL football again next year is crucial, wherever those points come form - just the same as itdoesn't really matter where our rivals drop points, just so long as they do. I don't really care if Citeh beat United and then lose to :shrug:Wigan (don't know, off hand if they've played them twice). Really. I don't.

Besides, I have a feeling that we will beat the Mackems oop North, anyway:wink:

 

[MikeCOYS]

You say I am writing us off like I am being pessimistic about us and our chances of success this season when I don't believe I am at all.

and continues...

and continues.... and again...

I enjoy reading and replying on forum but your post was a joke, I think I fell asleep seeing the amount of words on your post. I need to super charge myself with at least a litre of coffee to read your post Eek

But yeah I get your general idea, you may not be pessimistic but you sound like you are, I don't disagree with what you said just think you should have faith on our current squad. 1st paragraph is all I got, I'm sorry I can't read the whole thing, I use that time reading articles from Spurs news...

 

[jimmy-jojo]

I do understand, fully, what you are saying, AM - and I repeat, we are extreme outsiders. But, theoretically, if Chelsea are still in the title race then so are we.

It doesn't do any harm just sayinig it. A week into February and we are in a title race - how long is it since we could say that - 23 years:shrug: You should be savouring it, I certainly am. And if/when at some point it becomes literally impossible for us to win the title, then I will be focussing on finishing as high up the CL rankings as possible.

Exactly my feelings, too.

 

[Mr Pink]

I would be inclined to agree with AM. Chelsea have a chance to directly influence things for themselves given they have to play United twice - 6 pointers both games.

We are not going to overhaul 10 points (plus there is there vastly superior GD) with 13 games to go against a side of United's experience.

Our chance was when we played them a few weeks ago - we needed to win that to be truly considered title challengers.

Chelsea still have that chance x2.

Top 4 is going to be a real scrap and we were 2 mins away yesterday of looking real under dogs for even that.

We cant afford anymore dropped points were we should be taking all 3 points from here on in. Although Sunderland away wouldn't fall into that category but a victory would be massive.

 

[StartingPrice]

I would be inclined to agree with AM. Chelsea have a chance to directly influence things for themselves given they have to play United twice - 6 pointers both games.

We are not going to overhaul 10 points (plus there is there vastly superior GD) with 13 games to go against a side of United's experience.

Our chance was when we played them a few weeks ago - we needed to win that to be truly considered title challengers.

Chelsea still have that chance x2.

Top 4 is going to be a real scrap and we were 2 mins away yesterday of looking real under dogs for even that.

We cant afford anymore dropped points were we should be taking all 3 points from here on in. Although Sunderland away wouldn't fall into that category but a victory would be massive.

It is highly unlikely...which is why I emphasise that we are extreme outsiders. But, technically, if Chelsea are in a title race we are too.

Take one example: head-to-heads (sorry, not going to try to be exhaustive, here). We beat Chelsea, Citeh and ArseScum - gives us 9 points and closes the gap on all three by 3 points. Chelsea beat united twice. Citeh beat them once. And hey presto we are 1 point down on United, and thereabouts with the Goons, Chelsea and Citeh. All of these results ARE plausible.

It's not meant to be exhaustive...just to show that if we take one game at a time and get the results we could be right up there. I could use the example of United being as far behind at a similar stage in the season and their fans would still have expected them to be right back up there. But for me the key is that there is some kind of assumption that Chelsea CAN 'just' get back up their but we can't which seems to be based solely on the fact that they spent a lot of money in Jan and we didn't - but, as I have explained above, the Torres could just as well have the opposite effect, while our strikers could actually start scoring.

I repeat, we are extreme outsiders, but until it is mathematically impossible then it is just a fact that we are in a title race.

p.s. Everyone has been saying about how good united must be to play so shit all season but still be where they are. Maybe we have been reading it all wrong - maybe they just are really not that good anymore, as a team, and that was their best, and they have been extremely lucky, but will now implade:shrug: p.p.s - SP may perhaps be a little less dogmatic about this if he hadn't had a ten-spot on Wolves to beat United 3-1 yesterday (at 66-1)

 

[AngerManagement]

I do understand, fully, what you are saying, AM - and I repeat, we are extreme outsiders. But, theoretically, if Chelsea are still in the title race then so are we.

It doesn't do any harm just sayinig it. A week into February and we are in a title race - how long is it since we could say that - 23 years:shrug: You should be savouring it, I certainly am. And if/when at some point it becomes literally impossible for us to win the title, then I will be focussing on finishing as high up the CL rankings as possible.

No harm no, so long as certain fans don't blacklash in disappointment when the club fail to live up to the raised expectations (which some fans do)

I am savouring the team and it's performances, very much so. I am not one of them doom and gloom mongers by any means, for example I remember the match thread for the Young Boys away game and literally everyone bar two posters at the time were writing us off at 3-0 down and calling for heads to roll because we hadn't made the superstar signings etc...yet I stood firm in the belief that we had been caught cold on an unusual pitch and we would come good (which we did)

I also held firm with my belief that we would take fourth last season before the run of games that meant we had to beat Chelsea and Arsenal back to back when many others were saying we were 6th place at best (as people have said this year after the Everton game, then the Fulham cup game and when the window closed) but I have always maintained that while we are a different team from yesteryear with greater talent out our disposal but more importantly have superior resolve and team spirit to turn losses in to draws and draws in to wins.

For a supporter of my age this is by far and away the best time I have ever had being a Spurs fan and I am loving it fully. I am just not a dreamer to the extent I will dream the impossible dream and while I don't think the title is beyond us completely in the next 2-3 seasons if we continue our development, make the right signing or two and get that little bit of luck....in my opinion this season we are not in the title shot (even an extreme outside chance) personally I think we had our last chance when we failed to beat Man U at the Lane.

But as I say, I do not feel I am being down beat or have a loser/small time mentality because I am very much happy with our progress and see our current project as a marathon not a sprint, we don't have to win the league this year, we have to keep developing and to continue our progress we have to maintain our Champions League status. I am more than happy to see us continue to improve year by year and build a squad that grows into a team capable of sustain success in the long term.

Personally I don't think my mentality is a losers mentality nor do I think I am failing to savour the glory years we are witnessing before us at this time, but each to their own.

 

[AngerManagement]

I enjoy reading and replying on forum but your post was a joke, I think I fell asleep seeing the amount of words on your post. I need to super charge myself with at least a litre of coffee to read your post Eek

But yeah I get your general idea, you may not be pessimistic but you sound like you are, I don't disagree with what you said just think you should have faith on our current squad. 1st paragraph is all I got, I'm sorry I can't read the whole thing, I use that time reading articles from Spurs news...

yea, thanks for dismissing my post as a joke :grin:

Some people have the ability to read an extensive amount of words without falling to sleep, maybe I have a tendency to ramble and could be more concise with my points but I think to dismiss it as a joke is pretty harsh just because you don't have to concentration levels to read a post that would take up all of 2-3mins of your life.

Nevermind, those who feel to read my posts can and comment on it as they wish, I am simply expressing my views in a fashion I feel most comfortable.

 

[StartingPrice]

No harm no, so long as certain fans don't blacklash in disappointment when the club fail to live up to the raised expectations (which some fans do).

Stop rambling:grin:

The sad joke of the matter is that even with the official expectation aimed at qualifying for CL, but with it stated officialy that it will be hard, and having NOT failed to achieve this, there is still already a backlash of 'disappopinted' fans:duh:

No, AM, I kow you aren't Captain Negative, I just believe in this instance that you are technically wrong. Technically, until it is mathematically impossible, if Chelsea are in a title race we are too (even if there is reason to rating their chances as higher than ours).

 

[AngerManagement]

Stop rambling:grin:

The sad joke of the matter is that een with the official expectation aimed at qualifying for CL, but with it stated officialy that it will be hard, and having NOT failed to achieve this, there is still already a backlash of 'disappopinted' fans:duh:

No, AM, I kow you aren't Captain Negative, I just believe in this instance that you are technically wrong. Technically, until it is mathematically impossible, if Chelsea are in a title race we are too (even if there is reason to rating their chances as higher than ours.

curse those technicalities ay!? :grin:

 

[StartingPrice]

curse those technicalities ay!? :grin:

You can always trust SP to get off on a technicality:wink:

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Chelsea still have that chance x2.

But if Chelsea were to take their 2 chances, surely it would have a positive effect our chances too? :shrug:

That said, I don't think we'll do it :razz:

 

[kcmei]

need bale fit asap

 

[brett.spurs]

Great result for us.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

A quote from Kenny Dalglish when asked about Liverpool's chances of getting into a CL position this season:-

"We're not going to win every game left until the end of the season, but we're going to try."

That's what is is known as a winner's mentality. It's never over 'til it's over. Liverpool has about as much probability of catching Chelsea in 4th as we do Utd in 1st.

Just because it's unlikely, doesn't mean you don't try your damndest to achieve it.

 

[StartingPrice]

A quote from Kenny Dalglish when asked about Liverpool's chances of getting into a CL position this season:-

"We're not going to win every game left until the end of the season, but we're going to try."

That's what is is known as a winner's mentality. It's never over 'til it's over. Liverpool has about as much probability of catching Chelsea in 4th as we do Utd in 1st.

Just because it's unlikely, doesn't mean you don't try your damndest to achieve it.

THIS
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[MikeCOYS]

yea, thanks for dismissing my post as a joke :grin:

You're welcome, lol. If you felt offended by my previous post then I apologise, it was suppose to be a joke. But I was being truthful of it being a drag, nothing wrong with it, just my own opinion.

About race to 4th, Liverpool looks dangerously close... they seemed to be out of the race for 4th ages ago with 20 points behind (I think it was), now they're 6 points behind...! Did they cheat and secretly add points to the table? Someone must stop Dalglish, he's like a Scottish version of Harry (not looks, the way he brings confidence to players and turning them good).

 

[spurslenny]

Noooo...really...it's not. Finishing with enough points to give CL football again next year is crucial, wherever those points come form - just the same as itdoesn't really matter where our rivals drop points, just so long as they do. I don't really care if Citeh beat United and then lose to :shrug:Wigan (don't know, off hand if they've played them twice). Really. I don't.

Besides, I have a feeling that we will beat the Mackems oop North, anyway:wink:

IMO those games are key.
Man utd are team with the motive to stop chelsea's faint title hopes. And we have our own reasons for beating them.
So how you can say they are not key is slightly baffling to me.
Yes, they may drop points elsewhere, and the same goes for us. But when you glance down chelsea's list of fixtures, those are the games that stand as games that you could see as dropped points for them.

 

[StartingPrice]

IMO those games are key.
Man utd are team with the motive to stop chelsea's faint title hopes. And we have our own reasons for beating them.
So how you can say they are not key is slightly baffling to me.
Yes, they may drop points elsewhere, and the same goes for us. But when you glance down chelsea's list of fixtures, those are the games that stand as games that you could see as dropped points for them.

SL -I was repsonding to a post where you said the game with Sunerland was crucial...so why the FCUK are you blethering on about United and Chelsea:shrug::grin:

Besides, it is just a general point that holds good, and will always hold good. If we finish 1 point above whoever finishes 5th it really won't matter in 1, 2 or 20 years that we lost to Sunderland and so dropped 3 points in that game (or any other).

I shouldf also point out, in all fairness, that as much as I insist we are in the title race, we are also in a race with Liverpool for 5th or even 4th.

 

[Mr Pink]

Would of preferred the draw but you cant have it every way :grin:

Seriously though, they'll beat Wigan next week and if we lose at Sunderland suddenly it doesn't look so comfortable. Our game in hand is away

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Would of preferred the draw but you cant have it every way :grin:

Seriously though, they'll beat Wigan next week and if we lose at Sunderland suddenly it doesn't look so comfortable. Our game in hand is away

I could see us struggling up there. Certainly wouldn't expect us to win.