The Refereeing Thread

[Bus-Conductor]

Also that we got lucky with our ref, Dawson definitely pushed Boly.

But yeah, Raf should have gone, Vidic a yellow

Agree, wasn't any worse than goes on at every corner every game (see Skyrtle e.g.) but was stupidly blatant in front of the ref.

I think Vidic was a justifiable red too, he scissored him.

 

[Kendall]

Vidic was cynical, but as clear a yellow card as you're ever going to get. I didn't think it was particularly reckless/uncontrolled or dangerous enough to warrant a red.

 

[gushayes11]

Ref definitely bottled it, couldn't give 2 reds against United. Maybe the vidic red came about cause of Nasri incident last week. I think refs been told if the offending player is nowhere near the ball, which Vidic wasn't, and he left the ground, then it's very reckless and dangerous.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Just watching gos and the palace game. Howard Webb was in fine fettle. First he misses the blatant pen when the palace player is clearly clipped after their cleverly worked free kick.

Then he awards a pen for a handball that he clearly didn't see, because it wasn't. To the linesman's credit he spoke up and got the decision changed. They credited Webb for changing but begs the question, why is he awarding a pen for a handball he didn't see ?

 

[Gbspurs]

Just watching gos and the palace game. Howard Webb was in fine fettle. First he misses the blatant pen when the palace player is clearly clipped after their cleverly worked free kick.

Then he awards a pen for a handball that he clearly didn't see, because it wasn't. To the linesman's credit he spoke up and got the decision changed. They credited Webb for changing but begs the question, why is he awarding a pen for a handball he didn't see ?

I fall into the camp of fair play for admitting his mistake and changing his decision.

 

[Kingstheman]

Just watching gos and the palace game. Howard Webb was in fine fettle. First he misses the blatant pen when the palace player is clearly clipped after their cleverly worked free kick.

Then he awards a pen for a handball that he clearly didn't see, because it wasn't. To the linesman's credit he spoke up and got the decision changed. They credited Webb for changing but begs the question, why is he awarding a pen for a handball he didn't see ?

Because he is not a very good referee.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Because he is not a very good referee.

Wasn't it him who gave the Gomes pen at OT without seeing what actually happened ?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I fall into the camp of fair play for admitting his mistake and changing his decision.

Isn't it worrying that he's guessing such a huge decision, effectively handing a team a goal that could make a huge difference to the fortunes of those clubs ? How many is he guessing and not getting put right by a lino ?

Personally I think it's disgraceful.

 

[Kingstheman]

Wasn't it him who gave the Gomes pen at OT without seeing what actually happened ?

Apparently so.

 

[Gbspurs]

Isn't it worrying that he's guessing such a huge decision, effectively handing a team a goal that could make a huge difference to the fortunes of those clubs ? How many is he guessing and not getting put right by a lino ?

Personally I think it's disgraceful.

A little, but it's not an easy job and there will always be an element of guesswork based on what they can see.

However I do feel that if they aren't sure they should give benefit of the doubt to the defender.

 

[Kingstheman]

I fall into the camp of fair play for admitting his mistake and changing his decision.

Webb makes so many, though.

 

[yankspurs]

Is there any ref that is actually good? I have yet to see one.

 

[StartingPrice]

What did Clatty miss, get wrong or guess at, today.

For a start, I would like someone to go through every time Suarez threw himself down at the slightest of touches, or no touch at all, and then ask Clatty just why he decided to let him off with a second yellow!
Refs need to start justifying these decisions: just why does one player get sent off with undue haste, where the ref is almost falling over himself to dish the card out, whereas another will be let off several times, then yellowed then let off several times again and then commit a blatant yellow borderline red card offence and the ref just has a stern talking with him! Why?

And when holding is as blatant as Skrtel's was, just there, that the commentator is joking about him clutching at two players and calling it WWF, and then moments later clearly punching the ball in the area, how is nothing done about this?

Refereeing is becoming more of a guessing game, or playing to the players or the loudest and most vociferous fans, almost game by game.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Now I don't want to stir up any sectarian tensions but aren't all premier league ref's northerners?

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

Clattenburg bottled the second Suarez yellow. He can't even give an excuse that he gave him a talking to because he didn't. Suarez went and dived two more times. I don't care that the ref played on, he should have went back and booked him.

 

[StartingPrice]

Clattenburg bottled the second Suarez yellow. He can't even give an excuse that he gave him a talking to because he didn't. Suarez went and dived two more times. I don't care that the ref played on, he should have went back and booked him.

What makes it worse, is that Suarez was being let off with being sent off and all the while it was happening he was chunting at the ref - which should be a disciplinary action in itself, and certainly when the ref is on the verge of sending a player off but showing leniency, should push it over the edge, to red.

On top of which, as said, Suarez was doing his old throwing himself down clutching his head at the slightest contact routine, and getting free-kicks for it. They should all be retrospectively punished.

 

[StartingPrice]

And there, in the Chavs game, we have the perfect example of what I mean. A player has just been booked, fair enough, makes a clumsy challenge, fair enough - but not malicious, intentional or creaating a bad injury, and Phil Down decides, and the emphasis is on that word, to give him a second yellow rather than have a chat with him. The having a chat with him that is always construed when refs do do it as sensible refereeing.

What makes refs do it in one circumstance but not another? Is it just that they like/dislike a particular player? What actually decides it? Because, as far as I could see, Suarez was far more worthy of a second yellow than the Swansea player.

 

[theShiznit]

And there, in the Chavs game, we have the perfect example of what I mean. A player has just been booked, fair enough, makes a clumsy challenge, fair enough - but not malicious, intentional or creaating a bad injury, and Phil Down decides, and the emphasis is on that word, to give him a second yellow rather than have a chat with him. The having a chat with him that is always construed when refs do do it as sensible refereeing.

What makes refs do it in one circumstance but not another? Is it just that they like/dislike a particular player? What actually decides it? Because, as far as I could see, Suarez was far more worthy of a second yellow than the Swansea player.

Also as soon as that challenge is made and the calls are there to send Chico off, he (Dowd) is seen gesturing twice to indicate NO, not going to send him off. Then after a Mourinho tantrum aka "deliberation" the ref decides it was a second yellow, now he can't have received better advice from his linos as they are much further away than him, so is the fourth official looking at a screen and advising now?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

A little, but it's not an easy job and there will always be an element of guesswork based on what they can see.

However I do feel that if they aren't sure they should give benefit of the doubt to the defender.

But you shouldn't be blind guessing penalties. They are way too important.

 

[theShiznit]

But you shouldn't be blind guessing penalties. They are way too important.

I thought they were told that unless they are 100% sure they should not give a penalty?

Maybe Webb is one of these that says "a million percent" and thinks that 100% is way low on that scale...