The Regeneration of Tottenham Thread

[Yiddo100]

Quite incredible really.
“It adds to the growing range of Visitor Attractions already available at London’s newest sports and entertainment destination, including the popular Dare Skywalk - rated as London’s No.1 outdoor attraction on TripAdvisor - driving visitors to the area 365 days a year and providing an estimated £300m a year boost to the local economy in one of London’s most deprived neighbourhoods.”

 

[Wine Gum]

This confirms that The Club made an application for a Judicial Review of the decision to grant Planning Consent to Lendlease for their HRW Development, but were unsuccessful.

Major milestone reached for the delivery of 500 new council homes at Love Lane Estate | Haringey Council

The biggest regeneration programme in Haringey’s history has taken a major step forward with work getting underway to deliver 500 council homes and a new beg

www.haringey.gov.uk

 

[Wine Gum]

There has been an upload of revised information regarding the undecided Planning Application for the Goods Yard and B&M sites. Some of this relates to the requirement now for tower blocks over 30m high to have 2 staircases. Let’s see if Haringey refuse to grant this and push themselves into another corner and lose a third Planning Appeal.

Public Register

 

[superted4]

I wonder what the clubs plans are with all these individual plots of planning. As far as I can recall, they have the goods yard, Percival court, Brunswick Square, the northern terrace and the southern development.

I know there doing good work on the listed buildings in the northumberland terrace but otherwise it does strike for the outside as if their land grabbing as not much other thank planning has taken place

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I wonder what the clubs plans are with all these individual plots of planning. As far as I can recall, they have the goods yard, Percival court, Brunswick Square, the northern terrace and the southern development.

I know there doing good work on the listed buildings in the northumberland terrace but otherwise it does strike for the outside as if their land grabbing as not much other thank planning has taken place

1. To make money through speculative development.

2. To fulfil the off-site affordable housing promised in the original stadium planning negotiation, after the club convinced/bullied the council into not requiring any affordable housing on-site.

 

[superted4]

1. To make money through speculative development.

2. To fulfil the off-site affordable housing promised in the original stadium planning negotiation, after the club convinced/bullied the council into not requiring any affordable housing on-site.

I should have made it a clearer the point I was trying to make. I gather the above 2 points, but when will the people of tottenham see all these fancy plans coming to fruition. From the outside it just looks like a continuous loop of fancy plans and drawings. No spades in the ground for any of the major housing projects theyve planned for

 

[fridgemagnet]

I should have made it a clearer the point I was trying to make. I gather the above 2 points, but when will the people of tottenham see all these fancy plans coming to fruition. From the outside it just looks like a continuous loop of fancy plans and drawings. No spades in the ground for any of the major housing projects theyve planned for

You can throw a bunch of issues all into the same pot; local council. And exhausting their legal avenues to push their plan/idea through.

I think for some of it don't a lot of residents need temporary accommodation from the council before Spurs can flatten anything?

Brexit/covid/tories fucking the economy and supply chain shortages and massive rise is costs of building materials, shortage of labour makes the budgets on these projects a lot higher than what they would've been just a year ago.

You saw what happened with the stadium build and how delays on the original design and legal battles led to a redesign (and a better stadium) but the economy changed between when they first proposed they'd get a shovel in the ground and when they actually did, when the build got underway typical Spurs we were in a recession.

IIRC one of the best bits of business they did was have the steel ordered at a set cost a year or two before it was actually needed and as luck would have it it meant we saved quite a big chunk of money (obviously as the project got up specced along the way those savings went on other materials etc)
I can't recall where I read about ^ this ^ but I believe it's roughly correct (I read about about 5 years ago now so it's hazy)

 

[Wine Gum]

The latest High Road West plans from ENIC are going before the Planning Committee on 18th July with a recommendation to Grant the Planning Application.

Agenda for Planning Sub Committee on Tuesday, 18th July, 2023, 7.00 pm | Haringey Council

www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk

 

[Wine Gum]

The 18th July meeting approved the Planning Application.

 

[littlewilly]

The 18th July meeting approved the Planning Application.

Wine Gum, do you have a single document/drawing that summarises this plan. Much appreciated.

 

[Wine Gum]

Wine Gum, do you have a single document/drawing that summarises this plan. Much appreciated.

All the Planning Application files can be seen at the link below or go to the Planning Meeting agenda linked on my previous post and the Agenda Reports Pack summarises the scheme.

Public Register

 

[littlewilly]

All the Planning Application files can be seen at the link below or go to the Planning Meeting agenda linked on my previous post and the Agenda Reports Pack summarises the scheme.

Public Register

Many thanks. Some of us lay people find the planning process bewildering.

 

[Wine Gum]

The Council members do as well having lost two ENIC planning applications now at appeal. They were unanimous in approving this one. It will be interesting to see how this now plays out with the wider plans Lendlease have for the area.

 

[superted4]

Many thanks. Some of us lay people find the planning process bewildering.

Look for the design and access statements (DAS) they give the best insight to the overall projects

 

[kmk]

 

[Dougal]

Finally, we’ll break off the financial shackles and start competing with Brighton and Brentford.

 

[newbie]

Will the revenue count for ffp ? Will it go in to the club or has the club (Enic) split us in to property and football

Using football to create a land portfolio

 

[worcestersauce]

Will the revenue count for ffp ? Will it go in to the club or has the club (Enic) split us in to property and football

Using football to create a land portfolio

Pretty sure without the football they wouldn't have created a property portfolio there, they'd have done it somewhere higher profile.

 

[Wick3d]

It would be interesting to see if there is a demand for a hotel there and how they manage it. I know of plenty of hotels in and around that area, and it is booked right the way through, but not with tourists; it tends to be people waiting for housing.

I think long-term, property is an intelligent investment around Tottenham, but only if you have the capital, really. If Crossrail 2 ever gets off the ground, the area might boom.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Will the revenue count for ffp ? Will it go in to the club or has the club (Enic) split us in to property and football

Using football to create a land portfolio

There is a hotel company registered at Lilywhite House, usual suspects as directors and operates as a company for construction and ownership of the hotel on behalf of the Tottenham Hotspur Group . No idea if the revenue counts but the more Spurs earn in theory the more they could spend.

Only guessing but would think long term loans would be secured from banks and investors to build the hotel , as someone pointed out banks will lend money to build infrastructure but they will not lend money to sign a star striker.

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TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR HOTEL LTD - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity

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