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The TMO said there was no clear grounding, if you can believe it
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The TMO said there was no clear grounding, if you can believe it
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Well I can sort of believe it because it wasn't clear at all to start with.
But having seen the replay I'm not sure how they've come to that call.
Still...4 point decision at most in a 6 point win.
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Yeah, no goal kicker on the pitch. That’s what I mean about Halfpenny. Get that TMO call and he easily scores that penalty. Or even just making it a 2 point game to see if you can get a drop goal last minute.
12-10 HT is a lot different than 12-3. We won the second half 3-0. Feel pretty hard done by but while we were brave we made some silly errors at crucial times and England managed the game well. Your kicking game was excellent.
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I think England just did that bit more but Wales were certainly better than most expected a few weeeks ago.
You're right I thought Danny kicked superbly today from behind the ruck and Farrell and Ford were superb with the boot.
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I’m wrong on the TMO call. According to BBC the TMO said first first grounding was by England which is even more laughable. I could’ve sworn the ref said the grounding wasn’t clear but must’ve misheard.
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I've seen others say the ref said the same thing so you're not alone.
Watson obviously didn't ground it first as far as I could see so that really is odd.
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The thing is, if Halfpenny is playing, then there's no Anscombe to score the 'try'.
Like all these things, if you do a 'what if' by changing one event, you have to accept that all the events after it would also change, and a different game would have been played out.
(Though I've watched that TMO decision in slow motion and I still can't see how it isn't Anscombe's try. I can only assume that the TMO thought he brushed down the side of the ball and therefore didn't ground it, but the ball accelerated downwards and Watson wasn't in contact with it at the time.)
I thought Anscombe had a good game, too. A better runner than LH.
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You’re right, of course, and Anscombe was pretty good but there was a couple of times where we went for the corner because we didn’t feel confident to kick at goal and I just think having Halfers on would’ve changed the whole dynamic of the game but I accept this is just based on gut feeling but not just that TMO. I also reckon Halfpenny stops that first try but again we’ll never know.
Very frustrating as England weren’t very good and were there for the taking really. I think we came out of that looking a lot better than you especially with all the talk that we have no depth. 6 point win at home against not only an extremely weak wales team but a very weak, inexperienced wales squad who are playing a new way. No points scores for over a hour, missed tackles, Boring, unadventurous tactics. You will literally get obliterated playing against NZ like that in a WC.
You won (I was going to say deservedly but that TMO is still pissing me off and I still feel a bit robbed) and that’s all that matters so fair play to you.
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Yes the team that won definitely came out looking worse against poor little Wales.
I'll get on the phone to Vunipola, Hughes, Youngs, Daly, Marler and Sinckler to tell them their absences were irrelevant.
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Yes the team that won definitely came out looking worse against poor little Wales.
I'll get on the phone to Vunipola, Hughes, Youngs, Daly, Marler and Sinckler to tell them their absences were irrelevant.
Only 3 of those are starters. Let’s not pretend your injury problems were anything like ours. You relied heavily on an outrageous TMO decision to get you over the line but if you think you looked good considering how depleted our team was then great. Like you say, you’ll get done against Ireland, let alone NZ, playing like that.
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Well I'd say 6 of our squad being out is a fairly big deal but let's agree to disagree.
If only we know what happens when you're first team is available...*checks 2017 results*
England played badly yesterday and won against a team that has basically been playing together all season.
We'll be okay.
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Seeing as most of those don’t start and the majority of ours do I’d say it’s nowhere near as a massive deal as it is with us. I haven’t even bothered to mention Jake Ball who’s another starter to go along with the 8 or 9 players we had out.
Of course you’ll be ok. England always are. I’m just saying against top opposition (or us at even half strength) playing like that you’ll struggle and obviously your aim is to be the best.
Seeing as you mention last year i might as well mention that was another game that had the doggy North call in it. Standard for Twickenham. Can’t beat us fair and square.
Joking aside, been close run games last 3 years but a wins a win, even if you cheat.
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Cheating?
Blimey Wales really can't accept being beaten can they?
England could point to the numerous dodgy penalties given yesterday and the fact that Garces seemed to ignore the rolling away rule when it involved a red shirt.
But overall we'll just point to another win.
I agree that we'll need to be much better to win the next three games though. Ireland looked pretty good yesterday, France in Paris is always tricky and Scotland won't play as badly as they did against Wales again.
By the way I genuinely wouldn't pick Warburton or Tipuric for Wales at the moment. Navidi and Shingler were superb yesterday.
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Cheating?
Blimey Wales really can't accept being beaten can they?
England could point to the numerous dodgy penalties given yesterday and the fact that Garces seemed to ignore the rolling away rule when it involved a red shirt.
But overall we'll just point to another win.
I agree that we'll need to be much better to win the next three games though. Ireland looked pretty good yesterday, France in Paris is always tricky and Scotland won't play as badly as they did against Wales again.
By the way I genuinely wouldn't pick Warburton or Tipuric for Wales at the moment. Navidi and Shingler were superb yesterday.
Calm down dear. Was only joking. Unless I genuinely believed that Eddie paid off the TMO and linesman last year (which I obviously don’t) then how can it be cheating. Just got lucky. Again.
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Hopefully you're joking about the luck as well. Maybe better luck would have given you a few more points but you didn't lose because of luck.
The better team won even though the better team wasn't very good.
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Anyway on to today's rugby.
Quins at 1pm and then Scotland v France at 3.
Not much leaving the sofa for TSH today.
Quins at 1pm and then Scotland v France at 3.
Not much leaving the sofa for TSH today.
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The luck comment was only directly referring to the North in/out call and yesterday’s TMO as the majority of the time those are given
Actually maybe it’s not luck and just more down to home advantage and refs bottling it.
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Well ahead of the next game, if you can just provide us with the list of all the reasons Wales lose other than not being the better team then we'll just pick one out of a hat and have that as the excuse rather than having to discuss it
I'm hoping for 'it was down to sonic winds that only negatively effect Welsh people'
I thought we were a tad disappointing yesterday. Nothing like the best team in the world and think we’ve stagnated a bit over the last year. Kiwi’s are the bench mark and Eddie keeps talking about them etc, and obviously each game is different, styles and all that but New Zealand would have put 30/40 points on that Welsh team yesterday. That’s a bit of a gulf
Not quite understanding the love in for the Irish either. Good side of course but are people forgetting their performance last week against one of the worst French aides you’ll ever see? England have home advantage for that one which is key. Wales? Sure they can beat Ireland, obviously underdogs going in to that one but the gulf is hardly massive between the two sides.
Not quite understanding the love in for the Irish either. Good side of course but are people forgetting their performance last week against one of the worst French aides you’ll ever see? England have home advantage for that one which is key. Wales? Sure they can beat Ireland, obviously underdogs going in to that one but the gulf is hardly massive between the two sides.
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Well ahead of the next game, if you can just provide us with the list of all the reasons Wales lose other than not being the better team then we'll just pick one out of a hat and have that as the excuse rather than having to discuss it
I'm hoping for 'it was down to sonic winds that only negatively effect Welsh people'
I already did. Injuries and dodgy calls. I’m pretty pleased we made a good match of it tbh. Lots to work and build on for the WC.
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