The Rugby Thread

[$hoguN]

Only time will tell us that. The proof of this decision will be in how his successor does - but they have big shoes to fill when it comes to getting England to win, Jones record makes him one of the best coaches England have had. The RFU knew he was ornery when they hired him, and that was okay as long as he brought them success. Now they have the excuse they wanted to sack him and wasted no time doing it - no doubt in favour of some ‘yes’ man that will take the side backward. It was probably only Jones impressive win ratio that kept in the job this long anyway.
Yes, Jones’s style was defensive and boring, but that’s how England play. Though I admit it probably didn’t help him to have a strong French team doing so well, beating all comers with brave and exciting performances full of elan. Though they will have all the pressure on them at a home World Cup and it will be interesting to see how they handle that.

It’s nothing to do with being boring. It’s to do with things like Itoje playing at 6 when he is our best lock and therefore missing what the likes of Willis can bring because of it. It’s the stupidity of not picking players lighting up the league. It’s the utter failure to make the players gel.

Yeah Jones has won a lot of games as England coach but for most of his time in charge Australia, Scotland and France have been a mess.

 

[mpickard2087]

Only time will tell us that. The proof of this decision will be in how his successor does - but they have big shoes to fill when it comes to getting England to win, Jones record makes him one of the best coaches England have had. The RFU knew he was ornery when they hired him, and that was okay as long as he brought them success. Now they have the excuse they wanted to sack him and wasted no time doing it - no doubt in favour of some ‘yes’ man that will take the side backward. It was probably only Jones impressive win ratio that kept in the job this long anyway.
Yes, Jones’s style was defensive and boring, but that’s how England play. Though I admit it probably didn’t help him to have a strong French team doing so well, beating all comers with brave and exciting performances full of elan. Though they will have all the pressure on them at a home World Cup and it will be interesting to see how they handle that.

Nah.

He's gone because his schtick/methods that brought short-term gain have completely outstayed their welcome. It wasn't working anymore. In fact he'd arguably lost the fucking plot with some of his behaviour.

Wild selection(s) policy has always been his forte, they've gone way beyond that though as to just becoming irritatingly shit. Results and performances have nosedived, whilst we have bizarre excuses about not wanting to play rugby/reveal tactics and moves before the World Cup (as the RFU will still charge punters £100's for a match....).

Probably more a factor is that *everyone* has apparently grown tired of his "be a ****" man management routine and how he treats people. Too many players now wanted to be anywhere but an England training camp. Whether that was because they got broken by insane fitness/prep work, or, more likely, that at any moment Jones might randomly pick a fight, verbally eviscerate them, and/or randomly dropped them and/or decide their England career was done over the most minor of things.

And that's just the players, apparently behind the scenes it's worse. Backroom staff constantly coming and going, suggesting all is not well, and reports of some leaving in tears and of bullying. John Mitchell - very good defence coach - for instance left after Jones absolutely laid into him for going to watch his son (international cricketer) play (might have been his debut) for NZ v ENG - on a scheduled day off. Many backroom staff have decided to quit after a few months, if not weeks or days, of getting involved.

And for those players who do tough it out and can suck it up, or actually enjoy that confrontational environment, the results were a side and individuals that looked stifled and playing to instruction. Everything pre-ordained, decided, to be followed to the letter. Mainly kick the ball away and chase it. Not allowing the players to express themselves or at any point try and play how they see it.

His methods were no longer getting the response. It was over.

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

Haha fuck you Australia.

Dave Rennie sacked as Eddie Jones named new Wallabies coach

Dave Rennie has been sensationally sacked as Wallabies head coach.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[$hoguN]

We are playing so well against Scotland apart from the fact we can’t bloody tackle

 

[$hoguN]

Youngs continuing to kill our momentum as he did for years under Jones.

and… we miss more tackles

 

[midoshairband]

rubbish team.

 

[StockSpur]

poor beyond belief

 

[nidge]

Well I enjoyed that match.

 

[StockSpur]

now youll lose to everyone else as usual because only this game matters ?. if we had this game mid champioship it would be different

 

[Finchyid]

Absolutely shocking management of the game. Kicked the ball away too many times

 

[Japhet]

My heart sank when Youngs came on. He got straight into his stride with multiple inaccurate box kicks that we couldn't compete for. Should be picking young talent like Alex Mitchell FFS.

 

[chrissivad]

I haven't watched any 6bnations, but just switched the TV on and the Ireland Vs France game is on.

That was a great try from france

 

[jurgen11]

I haven't watched any 6bnations, but just switched the TV on and the Ireland Vs France game is on.

That was a great try from France

As was the Irish response , great finish

 

[werty]

That was a red.

 

[longtimespur]

I enjoyed the whole match. Some really good plays, especially the French.

 

[markt]

Jack Willis is on fire. Looks far more suited to 7 than Ben Curry did for England.

This is a very good performance so far.

 

[longtimespur]

some fair old rugby being played today.

 

[longtimespur]

3rd try ---------- again.

 

[PCozzie]

Good from England. Not properly tested but have defended what they've had to really well. Need to put another half like that together then look to build on a good base for the next game.

 

[chrissivad]

When did Italy become such a dirty team?