The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[IGSpur]

Not our academy but found this interesting none the less http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...s-academy-uncovered-alex-inglethorpe-12467809

Inglethorpe said they try to take one agre group to each game. I wonder if we do anything like that.

Not sure about whole teams, but we've noticed at least one u18 player on the bench for each home game, so I don't know if that is for similar reasons.

 

[Blake Griffin]

for an intake of 14 we need to cull quite a few u23s to allow movement between the two age groups. by my count we have 11 or 12(not sure on velasco) current 2nd years who'll move up to the u23s next season and may as well add tob to that who i imagine will be promoted early. without looking i'd look to keep around 3 or 4 of the current u23s at the club and then have the likes of eyoma, dinzeyi, skipp and griffiths moving between u18s-23s as and when. de bie and hinds can be staple u18 players and then freeman, lock, omolabi and reynolds can be in and around the squad, if they're kept on.

 

[Spurzinho]

Young Poch reminds me of joe Muscatt in the way he moves with the ball. I'm not sure that's a compliment considering Muscatt is a fairly mediocre fullback. I actually liked Joe when he was an U16 but unfortunately he's hit a bit of a wall.

 

[IGSpur]

for an intake of 14 we need to cull quite a few u23s to allow movement between the two age groups. by my count we have 11 or 12(not sure on velasco) current 2nd years who'll move up to the u23s next season and may as well add tob to that who i imagine will be promoted early. without looking i'd look to keep around 3 or 4 of the current u23s at the club and then have the likes of eyoma, dinzeyi, skipp and griffiths moving between u18s-23s as and when. de bie and hinds can be staple u18 players and then freeman, lock, omolabi and reynolds can be in and around the squad, if they're kept on.

Personally if we have any ambition for our u23s to find clubs they need to go on loans. I'm not talking about our best but how are the likes of Maghoma, Pritchard etc going to find clubs at the end of their contract if noone has really seen them play. They're going to have to go to the bottom of the ladder and work their way up unless coaches have seen enough talent to give them chances.

I'm catching wind of maybe an even bigger first year group next year than I thought was possible. Nothing confirmed at this point, but it makes sense considering the difficulties we're having trying to cull players. I assume there may be no restriction. Anyone have any clarification on this rule, that I feel I am making up. IF that is the case then as you say we could even release some first years. Or do what we did the year when our 2nd years first entered, and have a split of two squads temporarily. I remember Roles and Mukena playing a tournament the same time our u18s were playing league football last year.

I also envisage us doing what you say. And moving a lot of the first years into the 23s.

I can see Oteh, Velasco (harsh) and Mukena going. And as you say move the best first years to our u23s.

Leaving around 4/5 regular 2nd years and then mainly 1st years playing. Strangely though while having a big group means, allowing talented players more chances, it means those who could be the very best may miss out on regular games.

Tbf I think the club will have some plan in mind, as I was told before the current first years joined that it was a relatively small group as they expected the next one to be massive. So I think what they did was cull the current first year group into a small group to allow for another big group to follow

 

[IGSpur]

Young Poch reminds me of joe Muscatt in the way he moves with the ball. I'm not sure that's a compliment considering Muscatt is a fairly mediocre fullback. I actually liked Joe when he was an U16 but unfortunately he's hit a bit of a wall.

I only started knowingly watching Muscatt as a first year, and to his credit I would say he was a better dribbler than Poch jr. He had a laboured running style but he has some ability off either foot. Poch on the otherhand looks quite uncoordinated and clumsy. He must have improved though. I would not like to proper pass judgement on a youth player that I have not seen THAT much.

 

[Spurzinho]

Personally if we have any ambition for our u23s to find clubs they need to go on loans. I'm not talking about our best but how are the likes of Maghoma, Pritchard etc going to find clubs at the end of their contract if noone has really seen them play. They're going to have to go to the bottom of the ladder and work their way up unless coaches have seen enough talent to give them chances.

I'm catching wind of maybe an even bigger first year group next year than I thought was possible. Nothing confirmed at this point, but it makes sense considering the difficulties we're having trying to cull players. I assume there may be no restriction. Anyone have any clarification on this rule, that I feel I am making up. IF that is the case then as you say we could even release some first years. Or do what we did the year when our 2nd years first entered, and have a split of two squads temporarily. I remember Roles and Mukena playing a tournament the same time our u18s were playing league football last year.

I also envisage us doing what you say. And moving a lot of the first years into the 23s.

I can see Oteh, Velasco (harsh) and Mukena going. And as you say move the best first years to our u23s.

Leaving around 4/5 regular 2nd years and then mainly 1st years playing. Strangely though while having a big group means, allowing talented players more chances, it means those who could be the very best may miss out on regular games.

Tbf I think the club will have some plan in mind, as I was told before the current first years joined that it was a relatively small group as they expected the next one to be massive. So I think what they did was cull the current first year group into a small group to allow for another big group to follow

I'd be fascinated to know what is going on with Velasco. Is he just injured or did we just sign him because we'd lost Kirby? If so that's very unlike us, we are usually pretty good at doing due diligence. We monitored Tracey for months. You've got to feel for the kid if we have got cold feet. First he finds out his club are closing their youth system, so that nice shiney scholarship he's just signed isn't worth diddly squat, next he think's he's won the lottery when we pick him up only to find out that we don't really want him after all.

 

[IGSpur]

I'd be fascinated to know what is going on with Velasco. Is he just injured or did we just sign him because we'd lost Kirby? If so that's very unlike us, we are usually pretty good at doing due diligence. We monitored Tracey for months. You've got to feel for the kid if we have got cold feet. First he finds out his club are closing their youth system, so that nice shiney scholarship he's just signed isn't worth diddly squat, next he think's he's won the lottery when we pick him up only to find out that we don't really want him after all.

I will clarify with I haven't seen much at all of him, game or two. But I do get the impression we did. I think losing Kirby was a big blow and we might have felt the need to pull someone in as a contingency. That and the fact Brentford closed, we might have thought lets take a punt, as we don't lose out on anything. So if it didn't close I don't think we would have gone through the effort of trying to bring him in. There was only one player from their academy that was really known which was Poveda, who I think would have been great.

Again though, would like to see more of Velasco. I still don't really know what type of player he is

 

[mancman]

Interesting discussion on potential new scholars in July and those ear marked for the U23's.

By my reckoning this could possibly be the outcome;

Current U23's to first team pool: Kyle Walker-Peters & Marcus Edwards
Current U23's retained or Loaned out :
Shilow Tracey Tom Glover
Anton Walkes Luke McGee
Luke Amos Shayon Harrison
Uncertain futures for : Christian Maghoma Cy Goddard Connor Ogilvie
Will Miller Anthony Georgiou Filip Lesniak
Joe Pritchard Nathan Oduwa
Like to be released : Joe Muscatt Ryan Loft Tom McDermott Charlie Owens
Zenon Stylianides
New promoted U23's : Alfie Whiteman Brendon Austin Nicky Tsaroulla
Jaden Brown Japhet Tanganga George Marsh
Sam Shashoua Dylan Duncan Jack roles
Kaziah Sterling
Uncertainties/ released : Keanan Bennetts Juan Gonzalez-Velasco
Aramide Oteh Joy Mukena
Certain 2nd Year scholars : Jonathan Dinzeyi Tim Eyoma Reo Griffiths
Tariq Hinds Jonathan De Bie Tashan Oakley- Boothe
Current first years with lots to do : Charlie Freeman Royin Omolabi Matt Lock
Jamie Reynolds
New Scholars (Certain) : Maximus Tainio Mauricio Pochettino (both confirmed)
Oliver Skipp Paris Maghoma Brooklyn Lyons-Foster
Phoenix Patterson Armando Shashoua Josh Oluwayemi
Rodel Richards Jeremie Mukendie
Possible new scholars : Rayan Clarke Elliot Thorpe Jubril Okedina
Max Statham Jamie Bowman Kane Thompson-Sommers
So potentially 16 new scholars - currently ok with FA rules

 

[IGSpur]

Interesting discussion on potential new scholars in July and those ear marked for the U23's.

By my reckoning this could possibly be the outcome;

Current U23's to first team pool: Kyle Walker-Peters & Marcus Edwards
Current U23's retained or Loaned out :
Shilow Tracey Tom Glover
Anton Walkes Luke McGee
Luke Amos Shayon Harrison
Uncertain futures for : Christian Maghoma Cy Goddard Connor Ogilvie
Will Miller Anthony Georgiou Filip Lesniak
Joe Pritchard Nathan Oduwa
Like to be released : Joe Muscatt Ryan Loft Tom McDermott Charlie Owens
Zenon Stylianides
New promoted U23's : Alfie Whiteman Brendon Austin Nicky Tsaroulla
Jaden Brown Japhet Tanganga George Marsh
Sam Shashoua Dylan Duncan Jack roles
Kaziah Sterling
Uncertainties/ released : Keanan Bennetts Juan Gonzalez-Velasco
Aramide Oteh Joy Mukena
Certain 2nd Year scholars : Jonathan Dinzeyi Tim Eyoma Reo Griffiths
Tariq Hinds Jonathan De Bie Tashan Oakley- Boothe
Current first years with lots to do : Charlie Freeman Royin Omolabi Matt Lock
Jamie Reynolds
New Scholars (Certain) : Maximus Tainio Mauricio Pochettino (both confirmed)
Oliver Skipp Paris Maghoma Brooklyn Lyons-Foster
Phoenix Patterson Armando Shashoua Josh Oluwayemi
Rodel Richards Jeremie Mukendie
Possible new scholars : Rayan Clarke Elliot Thorpe Jubril Okedina
Max Statham Jamie Bowman Kane Thompson-Sommers
So potentially 16 new scholars - currently ok with FA rules

I'd personally swap Charlie Owens for Goddard and Georgiou at this point.

Think it'd be harsh to release Bennetts he has been one of our better attacking players this year.

I don't think we'd release Freeman as he hasn't had many chances. Lock I'd keep for versatility and ability. Omalabi could be released, Reynolds hasn't played enough.

Clarke, Thorpe and Bowden will 100% be scholars. They can't be ignored. I reckon Statham and Okedina too.

I heard we have offered 15 and one is considering and I think that one is Markanday not KTS, which imo is great as I like the former and haven't seen much of the latter.

Whether that is true or not, we will find out in the summer, but it is the easiest solution I could come to when dealing with all the players. Hard to cull any of them and makes even more sense if its within FA rules as you say.

Thing is our most talented area is AM/W and CM so we include all them but then we NEED to include strikers and defenders. That's our problem. I like how you formatted it, shame it doesn't come out properly when its posted

EDIT - Apparently the maximum number of scholars allowed is 15, but they can agree someone on extended schoolboy terms, which probably explains why the 16th to be offered is considering it, as I think the difference might be that they don't get paid. However, if one of the scholars turns pro then that can open up a space for the schoolboy to turn scholar. @mancman where did you hear it was 16, for verification. Thanks

 

[Spurzinho]

We've got 25 currently in our 18 squad. Edwards has signed his pro deal, I think Sterling did also. I don't remember anyone else turning professional, so that would mean we currently have 23 registered youth.

 

[danielneeds]

Seems that local West London papers are reporting that Oteh is having a trial at QPR.

 

[IGSpur]

We've got 25 currently in our 18 squad. Edwards has signed his pro deal, I think Sterling did also. I don't remember anyone else turning professional, so that would mean we currently have 23 registered youth.

Don't know if Sterling has but I'm confident Shashoua has.

What's the maximum allowed, first years and 2nd years?

 

[Spurzinho]

Seems that local West London papers are reporting that Oteh is having a trial at QPR.

He had one at Palace before christmas. Shame, decent player just not a Tottenham player. I've said the same exact thing about Loft. Good lower league footballer in there somewhere but just not for us. Oteh could even play Premier League football if he found the right club (by god if DJ Campbell can then why not) . He works hard and can finish, he's just a limited footballer.

 

[Blake Griffin]

looks like pretty much all the youths trained with the 1st team today, some good pics of tob with eriksen and with wanyama.

 

[IGSpur]

looks like pretty much all the youths trained with the 1st team today, some good pics of tob with eriksen and with wanyama.

I like the one of Dinzeyi trying to keep tabs of Dembele.

Also further supports ITK seeing KWP training with the first team bibs, we haven't seen that in a while.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Shayon Harrison has gone on loan to Yeovil. Thought he could play at a higher level than a mid-table League 2 side, but it should be a good experience for him nonetheless.

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 7m7 minutes ago
Young forward @ShayonHarrison has joined @YTFC on loan until the end of the season. Good luck, Shayon!

 

[danielneeds]

Shayon Harrison has gone on loan to Yeovil. Thought he could play at a higher level than a mid-table League 2 side, but it should be a good experience for him nonetheless.

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 7m7 minutes ago
Young forward @ShayonHarrison has joined @YTFC on loan until the end of the season. Good luck, Shayon!

It's kind of sad though now, because you know that when a player is loaned out it basically means that Poch doesn't see them as one of the special talents at the club.

 

[Spurzinho]

Shayon Harrison has gone on loan to Yeovil. Thought he could play at a higher level than a mid-table League 2 side, but it should be a good experience for him nonetheless.

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 7m7 minutes ago
Young forward @ShayonHarrison has joined @YTFC on loan until the end of the season. Good luck, Shayon!

Interesting move for a couple of reasons, first Poch's well known distrust of loaning young players and secondly Yeovil are a Gary Johnson team, i.e - not very silky. He might bang in a few goals and I have no doubt he will improve them but I find it hard to believe a dinosaur like Johnson will do much to prepare Harrison for our first team.

 

[Blake Griffin]

It's kind of sad though now, because you know that when a player is loaned out it basically means that Poch doesn't see them as one of the special talents at the club.

yeah, i know @thfcacademy said poch is more open to loans now but i still don't see it being true for the top tier talents. poch was asked in the man city press conference whether onomah might go on loan to get some games and he couldn't have shot the question down quick enough, saying that he's a future 1st teamer and training with the rest of the squad is what's best for his development.

 

[allpaths]

yeah, i know @thfcacademy said poch is more open to loans now but i still don't see it being true for the top tier talents. poch was asked in the man city press conference whether onomah might go on loan to get some games and he couldn't have shot the question down quick enough, saying that he's a future 1st teamer and training with the rest of the squad is what's best for his development.

It worries me, but poch has shown this season that he's willing to adapt his methods for the best, and I think he might realize for certain youngsters if they're ever going to make it, they need to go out on loan, like Kane did. While some shouldn't hence why winks, Josh, ccv and Edwards won't go out. And why the club has been so cautious with kwp.
The fact shayon's going to Yeovil is disappointing but they must be the only side willing to guarantee games. I hope things work out and I'd be a little shocked if this is the end of shayon's chances at spurs bc poch seemed to talk him up quite a bit a while ago.