BC11
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Agree with this. I like Marsh but he can be so rash and often leaves the CBs exposed, Skipp is the more intelligent player.
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Spurzinho
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Marsh is what they call a ratter. He is naturally inclined to close down rather than defend space. Skipp is the opposite. They're different players. If this were senior football you'd pair the two together but I guess they're putting Marsh in this position to try to improve his spacial play, anticipation and decision making.
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kwp on the bench but no edwards in the squad
Blake Griffin
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a little disappointing edwards isn't involved but the he hasn't played a game in over three months so would've been off the pace anyway, let him get back to something approaching match-sharpness first. onomah playing as a #10 is preferable to him playing wide but it's still not his position, obviously it's better than not playing at all though.
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Blake Griffin
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i guess it might depend on how the game is going? plus kwp can feasibly come on at lb too or maybe even further forward.
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Shocking so far. Centre backs have been completely dominated with CCV looking especially vulnerable to both the phsyical 1v1s but also movement in the channels. Winks is working hard linking defence and attack with little to no support. Onomah is bambi on ice.
His having a bad game he is a good player, poor lad has not played in ages let's cut him some slack.
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They didn't play well, the young ones in the first team today,
but I reckon they've taken some learning from that game.
Onomah should go out on loan though, he need regular game time in his best position.
but I reckon they've taken some learning from that game.
Onomah should go out on loan though, he need regular game time in his best position.
allpaths
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I say it after every game josh plays, he's a brilliant player technically and has been blessed with great physique, but he is so far behind mentally. Poor concentration, terrible anticipation, everything he does on the pitch is half-arsed he has never shown any conviction and he just plain and simply doesn't know what it takes at this level currently. Still think he can and should become a fantastic player, but he needs to go out on loan play, every week, gain experience and play against shit so that he can boss week in week out and come back to spurs and become the player we want him to be.
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I know it won't happen but I wouldn't mind Onomah going out on loan to Hull. Silva is a top young manager and Poch wouldn't have to worry about Josh picking up bad habits under his tutelage. They were short on numbers to begin with and with Livermore sold and Mason surely out for the season the situation must be desperate in their central midfield.
It's just not working for Onomah with us at the moment. He's third choice at best in the box-to-box CM role and has never managed to impose himself on games from attacking midfield. Regular playing time in a relegation scrap under a manager like Silva and with Spurs old boys like Dawson and Hudd to look after him would do him a world of good.
It's just not working for Onomah with us at the moment. He's third choice at best in the box-to-box CM role and has never managed to impose himself on games from attacking midfield. Regular playing time in a relegation scrap under a manager like Silva and with Spurs old boys like Dawson and Hudd to look after him would do him a world of good.
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Agree, he needs somewhere where he will play regularly at CM.
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I really don't think Onomah was that bad and guilty of all the things you are saying. I'd say 85% of Alli's games you could level similar complaints, for the first 3 months of this season he was fucking awful, gave the ball away about 35% of the time with abject carelessness. Same Son, and don't get me started on Sissoko. I don't think any of these players look any more competent in their general game play or application, most of the time than Onomah does. I think if anything he's trying too hard at times, forcing it a little.
I think it would be a massive help to Onomah if he were to be played with the first team, in a easier home league game and in a role that might suit him just a little better. Or to brought on in a few games where we are 2 or 3 up and he van play with a little less pressure. That way we might just see him feel more comfortable, benefit from having better quality players around him, instead of being stuck into make shift reserve sides that play like ad hoc teams always do, like teams that are a bit unfamiliar and lacking in cohesion and rhythm etc.
Failing that, I agree with you, he needs to go somewhere where he can play every week. Trouble is, I think to find that and play in a team and style that would suit his game, he'd probably be better off going abroad, and I'm not sure how easy that would be.
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I agree with u that at his lowest performance level he's no worse then sissoko, alli and son, and that's a credit as I previously mentioned to his technical ablity. But Wycombe's first goal was an prime example of how his lack of conviction hurts his play in both boxes. And that's the difference bt him and alli and son they move and play with belief and with a goal in mind, which causes them to seek out chances, which leads eventually to goals. Sissoko I don't understand his signing he'll never give us that ability in the final third, so he'll never be anything more than useful.
But that's what Josh needs to work on he won't be able to perform at his best until he becomes comfortable on the pitch and show real intent.
I also agree to an extent that playing in this heavily rotated side isn't ideal, but it's still no excuse for his poor, academic,anemic general play. Harry winks' example shows what can and needs to be done to earn those meaningful minutes in the league. Winks showed intelligent purposeful play in the same type of sides and once again today. It's a tough ask but it's something that Josh needs to do to rise to the challenge of playing in this sort of side.
I don't like digging out youth players, but not recognizing that he has a lot to improve upon is just naive. And comparing him to the poor standards of some of our senior players is no excuse to the basic fact that he needs to improve his approach to how he plays his game to reach his potential.
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you guys know i love Onomah as much as the next guy but he has been fucking awful since he's been in the first team. he has not improved since i saw him on his debut. i always came up with excuses for his poor performances but at what point do we start to look at josh or poch? he has struggled in every single appearance when played in this position, we know he cant play there yet only ever plays there. if poch doesn't feel he's good enough yet for CM then let him go on loan.
the guy looks a nervous wreck, too slow, not sharp enough, 2 steps behind every play. this is in deep contrast to the young, confident, dominating CM we saw for years coming through
the guy looks a nervous wreck, too slow, not sharp enough, 2 steps behind every play. this is in deep contrast to the young, confident, dominating CM we saw for years coming through
Blake Griffin
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like you, i'm a big onomah fan, but even at youth level he never looked anything better than just alright when played further forward. i know some will say he should be able to play anywhere(within reason) and look good but not all players are like that, just look at pogba - utd tried him in a cm2 and he struggled, they tried him as a #10 and he offered little, it wasn't until they adapted their system to a 433 and put players around him to suit him that they actually started to see his quality and that's the most expensive player in history with four years of top level experience behind him, not a youth player making his first steps into senior football. josh is a cm, that's it, either play him there or don't bother, he's probably even more towards the defensive end of the scale than the attacking end all things considered.
i like that we look to keep the top youngsters in house but it's not going to work for them all and clearly it's not helping josh, i think we could probably carry on doing this for the next five years and we'd only see minimal improvement so i hope we re-evaluate in the summer.
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Josh is struggling because Winks has become Poch's number 1 youngster for the CM spot so Onomah is having to do a job in the first team in a position that isn't really great for him, this position will soon be taken by Edwards, he is far better in the AM positions.
What it tells me is Onomah is really rated by the coaches but it's going to take a massive bit of luck for him to play in CM and if/when that does happen he will have to blow Poch away and really take his chance. Let's see......
What it tells me is Onomah is really rated by the coaches but it's going to take a massive bit of luck for him to play in CM and if/when that does happen he will have to blow Poch away and really take his chance. Let's see......
