The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

Discussion in 'Spurs Chat' started by IGSpur, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. IGSpur

    IGSpur Well-Known Member

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    More benefits of academy players keeping the connection to the community

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/sports/soccer/liverpool-alexander-arnold.html

    Intersting blog on loans https://bluetintedreborn.wordpress.com/2018/01/28/empty-vessels-the-loan-system-in-english-football/

    Makes good points on some of the problems with loans and how they don't fit for everyone. I actually remember a few of us saying we don't think Onomah would do well on loan for various reasons, and he is seemingly struggling. However when the options is zero game time, or hoofball, going on loan is still probably the better option if just to earn the club some money. I cringe when I see, so and so can't get into that team how can you expect them to play for us. I don't believe intelligent football fans can really use that as an argument but it is used so often. There are so many outside factors affecting things, how about putting talented footballers among other talented footballers and judging them then
     
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  2. Blake Griffin

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    and that figure(i assume) includes imported u23s which no doubt make up a large bulk of that %.
     
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  3. Cornpattbuck

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    There's definitely an argument to be made that the amount of money currently in the PL has blinded teams into thinking they have to stock up on expensive signings who then have to play because of high wages.

    Personally, I think it could be a good thing for English football in the long run if this current trend of youth products going abroad continues.

    Although I'd rather see them make their respective first teams at home, it'll definitely broaden a few horizons.
     
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  4. Univarn

    Univarn Lost. Probably Not Worth Finding.

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    A fundamental part of the business model for a lot of these clubs is to identify talent, build them up, then sell them to a PL/CL team if you can for an extraordinary profit. You would think the price inflation would eventually lead to more PL teams bringing through youth players but it may be a case of the dog chasing its own tail and not sure what to do.
     
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  5. George94

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    Although I'll admit, he's looked average whenever he's played for us - I hope we give Onomah another chance in pre-seaon, in his natural position. Would hate to see him leave. What a disaster of a loan move.
     
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  7. Bus-Conductor

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    I think clubs like ManC, Chelsea and ManU can make an argument for why they don't integrate better, anything less the winning the league could be a sacking offence for their manager. ManC and Chelsea also offer kids the best (arguably) coaching and certainly the best remuneration packages. they also have relationships with loan clubs which get their players valuable (vital even) experience both abroad and in the UK.

    I don't agree with all those arguments, because there is evidence from all countries, including the PL, of youth being of great value, when blended in the right circumstances, to success (Ferguson built one of his best teams with a core of youth players and dominated PL football whilst continually making use of his academy, even for functionary roles).

    But the excuses get less viable as we then go down the English football food chain. In fact, for clubs that have no chance whatsoever of competing for the league, trophies, and are in the championship downward, you would think they would realise the massive benefit of not having to pay transfer fees and inflated wages and reaping the massive rewards on offer for any bright young ENGLISH (ie homegrown) footballer they can produce, both in terms of footballing benefit and financial benefit.

    We constantly hear lower league clubs talking about the massive benefit of getting an away draw in the FA Cup as "keeping the club afloat for another year" or paying for new pitches or stadium repairs, and that's £2-400k. Imagine how much they could get for developing and selling a good English player ?



    I've been saying this for a few years in here. I think not only should players be looking more to abroad, but instead of looking to make money, short term, off the loan system, if PL clubs actually incentivised French/Dutch/German/Italian/Portuguese clubs by subsidising or at least letting them have kids for free, then there is not only the benefit to the players, but medium/long term benefit to the clubs as they get back players with much needed experience and the coaching in Europe is generally of a much higher standard than at lower league English clubs.
     
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  8. Streetspur77

    Streetspur77 Happy Clapper

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    Make of this what you will but it doesn't look fake. Assuming it's real I fucking hate ****s that do shit like this to our own players.

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  9. Blake Griffin

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    is this supposed to be another mark against him or something? i'm surprised he's never replied sooner to these idiots @'ing him abuse all the time.
     
  10. Streetspur77

    Streetspur77 Happy Clapper

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    No the exact opposite.

    To me it hints at the possible things he's gone/going through that have hindered him so far and also shows how ****y our fans can be, same kind of people that abuse sissoko directly under his tweets
     
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  11. thefierycamel

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    Imagine feeling the need to do that to a kid ffs. Give him a fucking chance
     
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  12. SpursD22

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    Marcus Edwards will prove all his doubters wrong. He’s a academy player, he’s played for the club since he was a little kid. There’s probably nothing more he wants than be a successful footballer for Spurs. Support him instead of throwing hate comments at him
     
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  13. coys200

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    Thought TOB might make the bench. With a fully fit squad it’s looking near on impossible for a kid to get a look in. When you consider vertonghen dier davies dembele moura aren’t even on bench.
     
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  14. IGSpur

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    Moron. Probably one of the 100s of people that know nothing about him but have decided he has a bad attitude and apparently is working hard enough. Tbf it's not really any different to what he would read if he came onto this forum, the only issue is that someone decided to say it to him directly.

    Needs to work harder - check
    If you can't get into Norwich how do you expect to play for Spurs - check
    Waste of talent - I'm sure some have said that. Although more have said he has done nothing to suggest he is worth any hypw
     
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  15. Anuth

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    This might not go well but you can clearly see we have a double standard here.

    Poch starts Foyth who 9 months younger and couldn't qualify for second round in U20 World Cup

    KWP 9 months older and World Cup winner. So let's give him 5 minutes at LB.

    but hey Poch might see something in training, right? same as he sees something in Onomah and Edwards. That's why he gives him 5 minutes at LB.

    Maybe his right foot is not good enough?
     
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  16. SpursD22

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    Why didn’t Poch let KWP go out on loan? He’s wasted 2 seasons from him. I think Poch has handled the situation badly if I’m being honest
     
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  17. IGSpur

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    Careful with that talk mate.

    We all know KWP (with around 3 career starts) is meant to prove in his weaker position that he is better than 4 experienced FBs playing regularly in their favourite positions. If he doesn't manage that then he clearly isn't good enough and will only have himself to blame.
     
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  18. IGSpur

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    Saying all that I actually like Foyth, looks very composed though he has shown that he will have to adapt to the English style which is expected for a youngster coming from abroad. However, I just don't quite get the double standards. We have 2 u20 World Cup winners straight from the academy, who get no game time with us in their favourite positions but we give a signing who didn't get far in the same competition patience in his favourite positions. He must just be an animal in training, and consistently performing better than Toby, Jan and Sanchez, there can be no other explanation.
     
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    Tonight is another missed opportunity. I don't want to sound to harsh and nitpicking, but for the life of me I cant understand why we didnt have more youth on the bench and why KWP only got 8 minutes or so at LB. Atm I'd rather see KWP on the rightside of midfield interchanging with the RB then on the leftside.

    I don't understand why we needed Trippier on the bench, or why we needed all three of Eriksen, Alli and Kane. It just seems that Poch is making it unecessarily difficult for our academy players to accrue any sort of valueable in game expierence.
     
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  20. Anuth

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    It was meant to be Poch bashing. but I really feel for KWP.

    I believe everyone loves Poch. at least he is our best coach in my lifetime. However, as a fan, we should have right to say when we see something wrong.

    I've read somewhere that recently some of the good kids choose us over Chelsea and Arsenal because we provide a better pathway to the first team better than them. It's the only way we can compete with them. I don't want us to lose that advantage.
     
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